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Hi guys. I only have mobile access to this thread today. I will probably post a catch up post tmr. Meanwhile I will just read thru the thread.
good to be in this game."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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I can say RachMarie's Lurking is a null tell because i am currently in THREE ongoing games with her. IN ALL THREE GAMES, SHE DID NOT HAVE AN ARGUMENT AT ALL/WEAK ARGUMENT. THUS SHE LURKING NOW IS A NULL TELL.
You have to take my word for it as we cannot discuss ongoing games.
Now why is Rach scum? I skimmed abit and it seems to be her lurking/ having weak argument? I did not bother to read through everything. It it too much. I find that i will do better by interacting.
I seemed to read somewhere that syr think Grimgroove made a scum slip.
If you think he made a scumslip, why are you preferring Rach over him? You could have explained this but explain again because there is simply too much to read and too little time."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Homer, you seem to have syr as scum. Yet you are preferring Rach over him why?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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People who is online now come interact with me. Ignite your motivation come on."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Even after what i told you about Rach, You think her lurking is scummy?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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What if i tell you She is the same in the other two games? Talking about IC stuff and shit and ignoring arguments. I shall stop here.In post 788, Grimgroove wrote:Hey Eno, I realize you can't read everything from the game, but since the start of D2 not that much has been said so maybe it would be a good start to just read everything from page 26, which makes it only 7 pages with few walls.
RachMarie's lurking is one of the main problems yes, and even though it's not a tell and she's lurking in other games too, I also met her in another game where she was town, and was more valiantly trying to avoid being lynched. Here she's at L-1, but check up on her latest posts. It's as if she's not even aware of that situation. She just talks about some general IC-stuff.
The only game content she has provided so far is a case on Syryana, which was very poor in all aspects. Whether or not this is bussing or grasping at a straw for getting a wagon going on on someone who's been under scutiny for a long time is still a dilemma, but what is clear for me is that her case on Syryana is NOT the result of scumhunting.
She's beenv ery lazy throughout this game,y et she claims to have an erntire meta-study on Syryana. This doesn't compute at all. The case is artificial and rubbish.
She is legit sick. Do you have other arguments?
Her case on Syr seems to be what she feel about Syr at first glance. Because she did not have much time, She glance at Syr who is the largest wagon, compare it with his meta in her head, decides Syr is scummy. Looks ok to me? What you think about this point? She obv can't spend time reading and scumhunting due to her condition."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Its not Rach being Rach. It's that she is BLATANTLY SICK. She acts the same way in 3 ONGOING games with me. Unless you tell me there is a high likelyhood that she is scum in all three. You seem to be finding lurker instead of scum?In post 789, homertve wrote:
1. Please read my 735 (The question David never answered was in my 713).In post 784, enomis wrote:Homer, you seem to have syr as scum. Yet you are preferring Rach over him why?
2. This game has been inactive for a long long time. I do have syr on my scum list (or at least I did). The reason I changed my vote can be found in my 664.
3. mothrax is a non-active player and she has no excuse for not sayinganythingduring day 2.
4. About Rach, she's on L-1 for a very long time and never sayanythingabout it. That is not something you can dismiss by "oh, it's just Rach being Rach"."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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You want to lynch Rach because She "MAYBE" lurking back and seeing you and syr fight it out? I can understand you unvoting Syr and vote one of the lurkers to get something out of them but lynching a lurker instead of who you think is scummy(who you gave benefit of doubt)--> What?... Isn't right."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Micro 181 is how long ago? We are talking about ongoing games(where she have her inpending crisis). If this is the case, don't you think you should leave her to day 2, since she have sorted out her crisis, to have a better read of her instead of lynching her,(which is a random lynch to me) now. And She said her computer died in the very first post? So i assume she has this crisis over the entire day 1. If you want to say she is scum for lurking, give me at least some meta where she lurks when scum. That will be mroe convincing?In post 793, Grimgroove wrote:You cannot dismiss all these arguments by her being sick. I was with her in the Micro-game 181, and yes, there too she wasn't the most active of the bunch. There too she didn't have many cases or arguments. But she did participate much more, she did defend herself, and she did give out reads that made sense within the confines of the game.
Calling that case she had on Syryana the result of a first glance is silly. Even though she hasn't been highly active, she's been with us since the start of the game, which was a month ago.
If this Real Life impediment is going to continue being an argument, I think RachMarie should ask for a replacement in case it really is. Using this as an argument isn't fair: we can't check it, and if it's the truth it hurts the game. Apologies if this sounds harsh, but this isn't the place for such kind of arguments. I'm playing within the confines of this topic, and maybe this forum, I don't want to have to take other matters into account."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Mini 1444: Mafia in the Park (Game Over) for example, shows that she don't lurk when scum so blatantly. You can search her other scum games too."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Therefore her lurking is a null point, not town nor scum but because she is sick/ don't have computer."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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So? That shows her meta as town. You are suppose to find her meta as scum.
I read. I could see the other possible high likely situation for her case on Syr. Anything else?
Homer: What is you scumslip on Syr."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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On page 28, you had Syr as scum and yet you vote Rach? I understand you wanting to get something out of Rach. But you are still having your vote on her although she's on L1? There are 5 more pages though to this page."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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You are like ignoring her meta as scum? She plays actively as scum. She plays actively as town. WTF? You are like using evidence to fit your reads.In post 801, Grimgroove wrote:
It's right here, under your nose. The fact that her play here is different from her play as town should already tell you something. And yes, 181 was played under the same difficult circumstances for RachMarie, I heared them all.In post 799, enomis wrote:So? That shows her meta as town. You are suppose to find her meta as scum.
Let me ask you this: do you think the case on RachMarie I (we) am (are) presenting is scummy?
Lynching Lurkers is anti-town. Scummy would have to depend on case by case basis. Why are you trying to use WE? Are you trying to tell me since there is 3 or 4 of you making the same case, and there are only 2 scums, therefore your case can't be scummy because 3or 4 person is making it?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Have a better read on day 2. She would have no excuses left.In post 800, Core_H86 wrote:well i see the rach thing in 2 ways
rach is at L1 and inactive:
A if she is town she doesn't care and isn't going to add to the game
B her illness is bad enough that even pointing a fos in her direction gives me a guilt trip
and if rach is back to null.. syrana/mothrax?
not to sound cold but that kind of outside information can lead to an unlynchable scum"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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@homer: I don't get it.
Syr saying Grim is very good at appearing reasonable as either alignment. Which means he is saying reasonable argument may not be used as a point to earn him town cred. How is this a scumslip? Mind Explaining?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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I mean day 3. What i meant was a day after today. It was obv. Lynching her now(a random lynch), would lead us to LYLO if she is town. This isn't a good situation."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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See in the end state, Grim, your argument is Rach is not responding to your case because she is LURKING. So your case is she is LURKING. You are giving Towncred to Syr for not Lurking."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Because you don't counter meta arguments of different alignment. Meta does not work that way especially for activity levels. I have proved to you that she plays actively both as scum and town, Thats why you saying she is not playing actively when she HAD play actively as Town is wrong. This is using evidence to fit the reads because you refuse to consider what i said which is when she is scum, she plays actively as well. So does this mean she is town because she plays actively as scum?In post 811, Grimgroove wrote:
I generally don't use meta. It's you who decided to bring up other games you are in with her, and I felt I was in a position to counter that argument with an example of my own experience. I have no scum-meta on her, I have town-meta on her and it's not the same as here. If you don't want to bother reading this entire thread, I don't see why you expect me to read through entire games with RachMarie as scum in order to get her scum-meta. Fitting what with what now?In post 804, enomis wrote:You are like ignoring her meta as scum? She plays actively as scum. She plays actively as town. WTF? You are like using evidence to fit your reads.
1. This is more than simply lynching a lurker, as has beens tated repeatedly.Lynching Lurkers is anti-town. Scummy would have to depend on case by case basis. Why are you trying to use WE? Are you trying to tell me since there is 3 or 4 of you making the same case, and there are only 2 scums, therefore your case can't be scummy because 3or 4 person is making it?
2. I use "I" because I do want to take some form of personal responsability in this case against her, but I put "we" in brackets because I did not want to give the impression I'm the only one who's been actively trying to make a case against her. Didn't want to sound like a douche. Any other inferences you make were not intended by me, I simply asked you a question.
1. You simply refuse to give me other arguments other than lynching a lurker which is all i see.
2. Fine."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Rach get yourself here now that you are Fine and well.
And Grim, I read finish from page 26 and i can't see your "OTHER" argument for Rach."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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@Mod: Would like a VC + Deadline.
Could our deadline be extended if you replace Mothrax?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Haiz. Grim, why did you stop posting in this thread and post in other threads ytd. I was waiting for your OTHER argument for rach. Or do you don't have one that you can't state one."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Hey people, post please. I think we are very close to the deadline."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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@Mod: David should be enomis instead in the vote count.
I don't know what you're talking about..."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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What do you think about my Rach argument?In post 820, Syryana wrote:Enormis/RachMarie scumteam. Cool.
Do you have anything against her besides lurking?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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I told you lurking is null.
And i seem to recall you being able to put a case whenever you lynch people. Could you do that for me for your case against Rach? Because all you have against her is lurking --> which is null because she is sick.
Its legit.
Rach, are you fine now?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Lurking can be a scumtell in some circumstances,
But in this case, it is null because she is sick. She lurked through 3 of my ongoing games with her(she got lynched in one just yesterday.)
Syr, are you really insisting this case of lurking = scumtell on her or are you doing this to spite me."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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I guess you don't have a case other than lurker on Rach then. Cool.
I like my avatar change."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Ermm... Rach, that argument is weak. Do you have something else?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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What? Grim and Syr are capable players. --> They are scum? Then if you play a game with 8 capable players, they are all scum?
cool argument."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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What vote flip."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Oh syr. I am kinda figuring out what it means too. I guess he wants to reaction test me or something."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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So if you have 8 players who is very good in fooling peeps they are town when they are scumz, the 8 players would be in you scumpile? It makes no sense?In post 836, RachMarie wrote:no I mean capable as in fooling peeps they are town when they are scumz, not an easy thing for everyone to do.
Syr flipped his vote off of me and onto you for what? a change in avi?
Give me better arguments of why Syr/Grim are scum."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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@Syr: There is no brief content in my 3 ongoing games with her. It's either bah post by her or nothing else.
The readlist is weak yes. But i can account this to her having a ton load of games/being sick and thus could not think about the game. Well, This is at least a valid point of why she is scummy but i don't see this point alone convincing you that she is scum.
She can't be pro-town when she doesn't post. How do you define pro-town?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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@Syr: What is metastalking?
You say everyone else is town to you. hmm. Care to explain/re-explain why grim is town to me? I seem to recall you having some scumslip on him and turning that later to the town read or smth.
Do rach usually avoid questions syr? Or like don't give reads for her explanation? Cuz all the games i have with her is only her lurking so don't really have her "active meta".
LOL rach. You gotta be better than that."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Ermm... The posts she post in the game with me are "Have been sick will catch up soon" or " Sharing computer. Will be getting computer soon". And one she didnt even post anything. <-- This counted as minimal content to you?
I agree with the lack of genuine contributions but you are not considering the case of her being sick. Maybe do a more detailed metastalking. And you will find out she isn't doing shit and has no genuine contributions other games too.
About the grim slip thingy, i will go read up abit on that."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Wait i read up that post, i still don't see any scumslip thingy. If it's the one Homer is talking about, it isn't a scumslip at all. I find it weird that you think a scumslip on you is an actual case when you can't make a scumslip if you are town. What? You are also saying "you twisting words to make other people scummy" is a decent case? So you admit to doing this? WTF were you doing."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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I prefer a RachMarie Lynch over no lynch. My proposed course of action is to find scum over the last few days. If we cannot find one, Then i would agree to you random lynch RachMarie.In post 855, Grimgroove wrote:I'll only be able to post in depth tomorrow. Syryana: I think your vote was better in the place it was.
Enomis: Do you prefer a no lynch over a RachMarie lynch? Keep in mind there's not many active players around. What is your proposed course of action for this daystage?
@mod: I would also call for a deadline extension. With mothrax we have a flaker here, already since he replaced in, and it's hurting the game at this stage.
RachMarie is scum. Enomis I'm not so sure yet, I can imagine that replacing in like that disables him from getting the general feel RachMarie has been giving us throughout these past weeks.
So now you think Rachmarie is scum because of gut. The one point i can't argue. Great! BTW, do you at least have a case against her for me. =.=....
What do you think about the points i just mentioned about syr."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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@Rach: You agree that your arguments are superficial. Yet you are using it and not planning to reread/ iso to get more info/revise about the game after such a long break. What are you doing?
What do you think about my points on Syr?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Ok. Get soon
. After you feel better, maybe you could present a better case against Syr or who you think is scummiest after? Because your current case is not cutting it.RE-ISOING"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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I mean get well soon."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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I don't understand why other people think it's a scumslip. Mind enlightening me?
Basically, you are saying the case on you which is "Twisting words to make other people scummy" is a decent case.As shown here:
Therefore, if you think it's a decent case, you must be twisting words in some instances? Or are you going to give me "I understand why other people think i am twisting words, but i am not" Argument. It does not work this way bro. Because if you are not twisting words and other people think you are, IT IS NOT A DECENT CASE AT ALL.syr wrote:There's a decent case against me: the "scumslip", the 180 on Grim, "twisting words to make people look scummy""you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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@homer: Yep, i only skimmed from page 26 onwards.
So what you are basically saying is that you are lynching her for lurking, which is a fking random lynch. WE ARE HERE TO LYNCH SCUM, NOT LURKER. Sure if you can't find scum, and it is near to the deadline, i can agree to lynching an anti-town player. But this isn't the case. 3 or 4 person just shut their mind and tunnel on Rach for lurking which she had a valid reason for. I am not saying she can't be scum. There are one point like superficial argument which i agree with. But, this sort of random lynch will just lose us the game. Period.
@core: Where to you get i have a closed and targetted mind on syr? I am waiting for syr to answer my questions. yes or no? I am waiting for him to give me an answer and then i am gonna judge whether he is town. Do you see me screaming syr is scum!syr is scum?
You see scum motivation. You can't see town motivation?
1. Stop a random lurker lynch.
2. Try to figure out if syr is scum.
Judging from your argument, it seems that you have syr peg as town. Why is that?
No. If i flip town, syr may not be scum. Because i haven't decided whether he is scum. And his vote on me is trolling/reaction-testing.
So now you think Rach is town since i am defending her to get town cred. Am i right? Why did you think her scum in the first place that it could be so easily reversible by me defending Rach.
Now tell me why syr is town."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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@Grim: You just ignored my post about syr."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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@grim:
The thing about syr scumslip.
@Core: No this can't be it. Look. You say i am scum for jumping on to the second bandwagon.(this only applies if syr is town.) and i am scum for defending the heck out of Rach to earn townpoints.(again this only applies if Rach is town). So you are saying i am scum for defending town and voting town. If Rach or Syr is scum, how would your logic work?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Who is the one of the other town in your scum triangle. How can one be town yet be in your scum triangle?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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And yet you say you didn't say rach or syr are town. Contradicting yourself?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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@Grim:
Its this:In post 854, enomis wrote:Wait i read up that post, i still don't see any scumslip thingy. If it's the one Homer is talking about, it isn't a scumslip at all. I find it weird that you think a scumslip on you is an actual case when you can't make a scumslip if you are town. What? You are also saying "you twisting words to make other people scummy" is a decent case? So you admit to doing this? WTF were you doing.
RachMarie's response to my question? If you meant she think my arguments about syr are good, that ping my scumdar abit. It feels like she is saying good just to agree with me. But i am not to the point where i am comfortable lynching her.Because I find that wagons which consist of weak reasons are usually scum motivated. Like i will not be surprised at all if there are 2 scums. Of course i am not saying that there will be 2 scum and there may be even that there may not be any scum on the wagon at all. It is just this wagon makes me paranoid.In post 863, enomis wrote:I don't understand why other people think it's a scumslip. Mind enlightening me?
Basically, you are saying the case on you which is "Twisting words to make other people scummy" is a decent case.As shown here:
Therefore, if you think it's a decent case, you must be twisting words in some instances? Or are you going to give me "I understand why other people think i am twisting words, but i am not" Argument. It does not work this way bro. Because if you are not twisting words and other people think you are, IT IS NOT A DECENT CASE AT ALL.syr wrote:There's a decent case against me: the "scumslip", the 180 on Grim, "twisting words to make people look scummy"
Also, i can see part of her reasoning why she call me town. Imagine you are town and you are sick which makes you unable to post in the game like you usually do. Then suddenly, majority of the players attack you for lurking. Then one guy comes with a reasonable argument that lurking=/= scum. You would feel that he is town because he could easily blend into the majority.
So my stance on her is, i am leaning scum on her but not comfortable lynching her now. Part of the reason is the wagon with weak reasoning on her and the other is i need to get more feel of the other players. I also want mothrax to be replaced and interact with her replacement.
@Homer:Because if i read 30 pages that has no me(enomis) in it, usually i will read it with my brain shut down. That means even though i read it, it accomplish nothing because i will not have reads and just read for the sake of reading. I find it better to interact. And then after that, if i find one guy that is scummy enough for me to want to lynch him, i would then iso him to double confirm my read.
The contradiction is that Core say he didn't say Syr is town and yet he is implying that Syr is town.
Look:
He is saying 'I am the scummiest but "one of the other" which i assumes to be syr is town.'In post 872, Core_H86 wrote:I didnt say rach or syr are town, you three are currently my triangle of scum but you are the scumiest and one of the other is town
He is blatanly saying Syr is town yet put him in the scum triangle.
@Grim:
Nope i am not saying limit to two scum spec. You are not getting me.
The argument is as above. What i said to homer.
Quite alot have been helpful to me actually.
But i will postpone my reads abit as i am in the midst of strengthening it and spewing out my reads now will affect me questioning them.
@Core: Look here:
Lets ignore the fact that i did not jump to syrana wagon and push it to the lynch.core wrote:2jump to the closest band wagon (syrana)and push it to the lync
If part of your argument saying i am scum is that i jumped to syr and push his wagon to the lynch, This argument isif Syr is town. Therefore you are implying he is town.ONLY VALID
Again this is the same thing. The argument iscore wrote:1 stop the lynch of a lurker at L1 get a little town cred and a buddyif rach is town. Therefore you are implying she is town.ONLY VALID
So the whole BASIS of your argument saying i am scum relies on the two of them being scum. Because if they are scum, your argument don't make sense.
Therefore, if you do not have them as town, you must have something of why i am scum to be able to say they are town as my interaction with them does not seem scum x scum? Which i am not seeing it."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Did I just get ignored? Like totally?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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I don't know, majiffy... I feel abit iffy about your reads. Don't you suspect i am scum but try to do pro-town things to earn town cred? Thats what some think of me. And your reads are who i am attacking now. Is it your style to townread me and scumread who i am attacking? Because this is the second consecutive game that you did that.In post 904, Majiffy wrote:That being said, Eno's posting has been strictly pro-town, and has solidified his slot as town for me.
p-edit: Which reads are you confused about, specifically?
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@Grim:YOU TOTALLY IGNORED ME AFTER I WENT AND POST OUT WHAT WERE MY POINTS ABOUT SYR.
@Homer:What do you think about what i said about core?
Gut-wise, i don't like your case on syr."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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^^The case meaning Majiffy case. Last sentence was intended for majiffy."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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In post 872, Core_H86 wrote:but you are the scumiest and one of the other is town so@Homer:
Look how he phrase the sentence. He did not say "You are the scummiest andone of the other is town." Instead he say "You are the scumiestthereforeandone of the other is town." I know i am arguing abit of semantics here but he is obviously saying Syr or Rach is town without me being scum. This was what i thought.
Anyway, even if you don't agree with what i am seeing. What do you think about his case being valid only if Rach and Syr are town?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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In post 872, Core_H86 wrote:I didnt say rach or syr are town, you three are currently my triangle of scum but you are the scumiest and one of the other is town so
your twisting certain speculations i had and avoiding the logic that seems kinda scummy
Tell me how is it valid if Rach and Syr are scum which is his points.In post 911, homertve wrote:Really?That'syour case? It's very very weak.
Why is it valid only if Rach and Syr is town?
And please don't use something like i am bussing Syr or some shit because that isn't his case. His case is he thinks i am jumping onto the second bandwagon to mislynch a townie and defend Rach to get towncred which earns me a buddy for "whiteknighting her.""you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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@Grim: Yet Syr think other people saying that Syr is twisting words is a decent argument?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Then how is this a case on why i am scummy? He used this as a case and voted me. So obv, he must have either of them have town to be able to use this case to say why i am scummy.In post 916, homertve wrote:enomis, either I don't understand you or you don't understand me (or you are scum and you choose not to understand me).
[Not (Rach and Syr are town)] is not equal to [(Rach and Syr are scum)].
What core is saying is this:
If you flip town, then Syr is probably scum. The second scum is somebody else.
if you flip scum, then Rach is probably the second scum.
Now explain to me what's wrong with that argument.
And no, if i flip scum, he said Rach is town because i defend her to "whiteknight" and thus earn a buddy.
@Grim:
Let me phrase this another way. Why did you think Syr could think other people think he is twisting words is a decent case. Can you see his logic for saying that? Or is it just agreeing to a case to make the case weaker.(Yes, agreeing to case on you can be a scum tactic to make the case weaker)."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Is the question mark addressed to me?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Dunnoe? Because i get the feeling Syr is trolling me and pretending not to get my argument because he is good enough to get me."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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???. What core's case on me is 1"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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So his argument is i am scum because i stop the lynch of a lurker at L1 to get a little town cred? And the rest of his case is fluff? Do you read it this way?
And if you do, do you think it's strong?"you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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Oh, and maybe the argument i am partnering Rach no matter if she is scum or town. If she is scum, i am partnering her because she's my scum buddy. If she is town, i am partnering her to get a buddy."you must prove more patient than a caterpillar, more willing to survive than a cockroach, and more stubborn than a leech - or you will definitely fail" - Counselor Rodriguez, the Star of Wisdom
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