Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[Varsoon]

And my focus is on Orc because there are numerous posts of his that went for empathy, OMGUS, created WIFOM, suggested sheeping and/or alluded to buddying (on D1, Really?!?), or had inconsistencies. I just pointed out the most obvious to me. He is my #1 read.

Sorry to break it to you: That's his town meta.

Supporting this, Orc is a headache to play with. That's why I like to piss him off. Look at our interaction in this game and you'll see how that's played out.

That said, this is why I think meta is terrible. If someone has a horrible town-game, they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it every game because that's just how they've played. They should be lynched for that shit, so behaviors that are so clearly anti-town are stamped out of the general play-approach that people take.

But policy lynching is bad, etc etc.


P-EDIT:
@Andrius: Can you explain how AJ is town, please?
Out of the people on that wagon, I'm most suspicious of Orc, Nacho, GIF, and you. However, I'm also reading everyone on that wagon as town right now, so it's really painful to consider.

[Varsoon]

As of now, AJ seems scum to me based on his misrepresentation of players and game-state. Also, he's pretty detached from the game, especially in his earlier posts, where his contributions were essentially "TD is scum, guys why aren't we voting him?"

[Varsoon]

Thanks for sharing Rev


Any comments that would help with the game at hand?


Var I like meta but iffen you dont, you dont have to use it. But it is there for other peeps iffen they want

Nacho get your butt back in here grumble grumble thread needs you.

Pedit oh you are drunk ok now it makes more sense...

Makes sense.
Rach, how do you feel about this 2 wagon?
Furthermore, who do you think is scum/town?

[Varsoon]

Again, going to take another step back. I feel good about the town block.
AJ is scum. 2 is scum. TMT is scum. MS could be scum, Rev could be scum.

plz lynch in the order of aj <--- rev <--- and then hopefully you will get to the point where you will want to lynch andy. you don't have to vote him just keep the focus.

Never seen an ordered lynch given by anyone but scum. This after pleading with, sigh, Orc to ride with her. If anyone has seen otherwise, please link me?

Gonna have to make a better case than that.

[Varsoon]

For Cabd... and yeah I know most of the universal townies disagree with me on AJ but I just dont see him as town may need to do some meta research on him

FOR JIFFY

Town
Nacho, B n B, Andy, Orc, and Var

Leaning Town
Ghost, Cabd, Mac, Bro dude


Scum
AJ

Leaning Scum
TD

The rest I am still working on sorting out.

It's been 500 posts since then--do you still hold this position despite the recent activity?

Also-also, feel free to ISO players you're unsure of and get on steady ground.

[Varsoon]

Except...

AJ's 'consistency' is across the span of several-hundred posts, and can be instead read as stubbornness.

Ignoring the miller issue could easily be a scum-approach to not make a slip around something so loaded like that early miller claim.

You may have seen how I feel how his 'catchup' post isn't town at all.

Eh, I'm not buying it, Andy.
If he's town, he hasn't convinced me.
Regardless, I don't think he has much control of the game, so his capacity to influence, as scum, isn't something I'm that worried about.
Which is why I'm not too worried about the slot as of now.

[Varsoon]

Dunno.
It reads to me as unwillingness to analyze the new sets of information at hand, lazy or not.

[Varsoon]

Eh, fuck it.

Vote : 2

[Varsoon]

yaaaay,
The day is over,
now I can sleep.

[Varsoon]

PEdit: errrrr

That's not how P-Edits work, silly.

[Varsoon]

We needed a lynch anyway.

Bork, can we get the flip/updated count?

[Varsoon]

ALSO I LOVE YOU BULDEY!!!! SORRY YOU DREW A SCUM ROLE

So, what if that's not the case?

[Varsoon]

then I was wrong, obviously. I would have liked to have heard nacho's opinion before a flip. what are you going to do if they flip scum?

eta: that was to varsoon

Probably figure that at least one person on the wagon was bussing, given how 2 played.
Go back, ISO 2 with the new info, and make plays,
so on and so forth.
2 flipping scum would be nice.
2 flipping town gives us a whole lot of nothing.

[Varsoon]

then I was wrong, obviously. I would have liked to have heard nacho's opinion before a flip. what are you going to do if they flip scum?

eta: that was to varsoon

Nacho's opinion is that 2 is scum.
That's why Nacho has a vote there.
At least, this is what I'd imagine.

[Varsoon]

The hammer deprived nacho and Orc of the ability to weigh in.


If the hammer voter flips scum those two go auto town IMO

Their inability to weigh in deprived them of the ability to weigh in.
It's not like they can't chat about it now,
Or like they couldn't discuss the 9-person wagon when it was such.
If the hammer voter flips scum, proves nothing other than that his alignment was scum.

[Varsoon]

Huh. I thought I tagged people to quote.
Apparently not?
Fucking mafiascum.


Anyway,

@Andrius:

Yeah, man, I was wrong. Rub it in, I guess.

@Ghostlin:

My thought process was something like this: 2's probably town. I meta'd 2, but then again, when I meta'd 2, I kinda -wanted- 2 to be town and interpreted it that way. 2 could not be town. The wagon is mostly people I think are town, though. If 2's town and this wagon is scummy, oh fuck. Well. Day is going to end soon, and everyone seems stubborn about this. Hum. Fuck it, 2 could be scum, and I could be wrong, and if I'm not, then I can hope to expose his wagon, since I'll likely live to the next day.


Anyway, my scum-list is currently AJ, TD, Andrius, and Cabd. Don't know how I feel about the new Spinachattack or w/e.
Mayonegg.


Any-anyway, I support the AJ flip, as I have so far.

AJ

I have yet to ISO 2 and figure stuff out, like I said I would, but other people (BRO and Nacho, I think?) both jumped on that.

[Varsoon]

Could one of you guys order me a pizza or something? I'm really hungry, but broke.
Like, I'll give you my address and you can pay online for it or something.

[Varsoon]

AJ

If this was supposed to be a vote, I didn't count it.

I be trippin, cap'n.

VOTE: AJ


Used the boldtag instead of votetag, I guess.
Either that or the site is seriously kicking me in the ass.

[Varsoon]

Could one of you guys order me a pizza or something? I'm really hungry, but broke.
Like, I'll give you my address and you can pay online for it or something.

Not sure if joking or just lame.

Mind explaining your andy read? Or hell, your cabd read?

Oh, because ordering a pizza for someone isn't lame?
Come on, it's that mentality which perpetuates our cynical, non-pizza-ordering society.

Explanations? Just suspicions.

[Varsoon]

Oh, the quality of most pizza here in the states is variable, but probably pretty low. I wouldn't know, you know?
Regardless, there's more than just pizza that delivers.


I actually have a case, but articulation would take time, effort, and wouldn't be incredibly worth it.
It serves the same purpose for me to just say I suspect you're scum.
After all, if I did an ISO, like with 2, I'd probably interpret things as scummy.
My thought process is that there's got to be scum in the ineffable town-body, and even if there isn't, there's likely scum latching onto it. Cabd and Andrius feel like that. Also, Andy called me out and put a vote on me, so I've got to OMGUS or something.
It's actually interesting how few people cared that I was ardently defending 2, waffling a bit on it, and then I put the L-1 vote down.
Also, basing a few things off of an ISO of 2 and who 2 put in town/null buckets.

[Varsoon]

okay varsoon is looking pretty bad right now

Whyso?

I mean, apart from what I've said in earlier posts today.

@Cabd: I feel like stating my suspicions is sufficient. Extrapolating will only end in my exasperatedly providing biased reads.



@Rach: You're just jealous no one will buy you pizza.

[Varsoon]

C'mon, someone buy me some damn pizza.
When I get published, I'll put you in the acknowledgements.

[Varsoon]

This town needs unity.
And pizza.

[Varsoon]

Provided my quote tags work, here's what I could dredge.
2 was on and off about me being scum. Called me town at first, then demoted me to null, then told me voting 2 was a waste of time.

Regardless, I'm town.
Hey, maybe I could read B&B and 2's back-and-forth as a form of scum bussing.

Spoiler:

Fery. Vote varsoon with me?

Hi metal sonic nice to meet you. Are you going to vote someone?

I still need to talk with buldermar.

Sorry, Sven. Your wagons tend to have an unbearable amount of friction and irrelevancy. If Ghostlin was here, I'd keep my vote there and make a case or something. Ghostlin, however, is not here.

also what the fuck does relevancy have to do with a wagon.

How many other players have weighed in on Ghostlin?
It's an irrelevant wagon.
How many other players have said something about Sven?
It's a relevant wagon.

One flip will tell us more about the rest of the players than the other.

Hope this makes sense. Sometimes I'm far too in my head.

I think I get this. But I don't understand why you said Svenskt's wagon was irrelevant in the first quote.

- f

Fery. Vote varsoon with me?

Hi metal sonic nice to meet you. Are you going to vote someone?

I still need to talk with buldermar.

You seem to be a lot more guarded with your reads and thought processes this game

I do? I've put down a ton of reads since the game started. As of last night there are a few people who haven't participated enough for me to have a read yet. And a couple reads are pretty soft based on a handful posts.

I'm not going to srsvote again without catching up with buldermar.

re varsoon, compared to the borkgame he seems a lot more way out there. he tunnele us/selkies pretty hard on day 1 of that game. His "case" (hesitate to use the term) on you is bizarre, but reading through it, I don't think he's taking himself seriously so I'm not sure what the point is.

What reactions were worth gathering?

I mean, come on. Everything that happened was very much expected. I slammed Varsoon and voted him and built a case, people reinforced their townreads on me, what the hell was /supposed/ to happen?

Just like his disguise of the Aj sheep, the case on me is a failed act by scum that Varsoon is trying to disguise as a reaction test.

And you know my policy on reaction tests. If it's past RVS and you don't know what you're looking for or can't state what you found, you're scum for it.

Pedit: Not really no he isn't

Which wagon push do you think would yield more results?

Pedit: Hi

When did we play a game together, Aj? Because I don't remember you

Taking it under advisement.

@Mollie what are your thoughts re Varsoon?

Back-ish.

buldermar tried to talk me into a TD vote. I'm not feeling it. Nacho, your reasons for thinking he's town made sense.

Buldermar and I had a chance to talk about varsoon, too. He agrees with me that the overnight walls don't look scum-motivated.

I'm still pretty pissed off at Mollie. Any "room" she was supposedly giving me in this game IMO was mythical. In post 283 she'd already started in on me with the 3rd person shit. But, I think she's town so I'm going to suck it up, despite holding back massive quantities of snark.

Town: orcinus, nacho, B&B, BRO

Leaning town:
svenskt (for today - pretty sure this is my view only , not buldermar's)
Andreius
GiF (that was a weird thing about the chat game, though)
Cabd (in part based on nacho and to a lesser extent Rach)

Null/Town:
Rach (always and forever I swear)
Varsoon
Ghostlin (this read could slide)
Mac

Leaning Scum:
TD (buldermar's read mostly)
TMTwhatev
Maybe AJ

Not enough info to go on: Sajin, dntfkingcare, Metal Sonic, jon_h61

This is not a consensus list (yet anyway), but some of my views are influenced by buldermar's opinions.

First of all, your read was oriented completely around TD-me-mollie-orc, things like that. You ignored the Varsoon situation completely, and you found nothing to comment on from anyone else. What do you think of everyone else?

I was mostly concerned with how mollie didn't have any clear read on our slot. First she simultanously read me as town and f as scum. Then she simultanously read me as town and scum. Usually she has a clear read, even when she's wrong.

Why did this concern you? Was there a game you played with mollie-scum where she didn't have a clear read on you?

If you didn't already, please clarify.

- b

I asked you what you thought of her, saw nothing. What do you think of her and her specifically?

Which I did. She told me that the two of you had a run in, that Nacho decided we're scum and that orc wants us to vote varsoom, who went on a wall-posting spree overnight with utterly bizarre stuff. I then told her I'd be reading and she told me she'd not be posting for a while.

And you not commenting on Varsoon at all but commenting on us, commenting on me. That was suspicious. It shows you're more concerned about fixing your rep than looking for the scum you're supposed to be finding.

I'll almost guarantee that he will scum read me even if the two of you are town - that's sort of what he does.

This seemed strange, considering your immediate townread on Majiffy after. I felt like you were preemptively defending against the Majiffy scumread, especially since I don't remember him ever calling you scum except when he was scum and being an idiot.

What can I do to help you stop being an idiot?

You usually know when I'm empty shit-talking.
You know that I'm not sure of a scumread on you two or I wouldn't be afraid to tunnel the shit out of you.

Nacho, how the fuck can you be town reading this?

This question is very, very late. You never followed up when you mixed him and Cabd up before.

What independent thought?

Read his most recent post that's not "town rage".

You don't really mind votes on him? How is that compatible with town reading him? Why don't you just explicitly admit that you're wrong with your read on him?

My townread on him until recently had to make a lot of inferences. Since he's not as bleedingly town as others, I would rather people like orc put on TD votes instead of Varsoon votes, for example.

I thought I already explained why I mixed up the two at the time. What is it that you think the problem is exactly?

Lack of followup. You were like "whoops, wrong one". And the fact that you didn't notice you mixed them up until I pointed out you did showed me that you sure as hell didn't read my reasoning for him being town. But mostly, it was the lack of followup.

What the fuck? No I fucking wasn't. I identified you on my own, which I'm positive she can confirm.

Also fuck you for trying to discredit me in this manner.

Sorry, I fucked up. But did you really think that I was trying to discredit your town game?

1) I read it rather selectively. I don't have much time due to an exam so I skipped a lot of the longer posts. For instance, I didn't read the content of the long posts Varsoon and Majiffy made. I just noticed what kind of reads they had and made my read based on that. Varsoon voted someone who was unlikely to get lynched (I don't even remember who) after an asburdly long entrance post, so I asserted that he is probably town based on that. Majiffy is active and seems to care, so he's town. I still think TD is scum. I also don't like Cabd. I havn't found a reason to think orc or you are scum, so I'm just going to trust f's town read on the two of you. I'm not certain that Sven is town, but lynching him today is dumb. I have no idea how to read Rach - I've reached the conclusion that her posts just always seem anti-town to me regardless of her alignment. I want to have a look at the Sven wagon as I've already mentioned, but havn't had time yet. I havn't really read the rest of the players posts careful enough to make any read.

2) You're essentially pointing it out yourself. Usually she does have a clear read on me (it being town or scum), even if that read is wrong. I felt like she didn't have any clear read on first our slot and then me this game, which is what I would expect from scum-mollie. As it turns out, I was probably wrong, because I don't see Majiffy making all these posts as scum.

3) See above.

4) I can see why you're thinking this, but turn the table for a moment. What would your reaction be if I ignored all of your questions and instead continued with finding scum? I'm pretty sure you'd assert that I would be trying to direct attention away from me. I trust that f and I will be able to find something if you'll just calm yourself and at least entertain the possibility that you're wrong with your current read.

5) He has called me scum both as scum and town and more so than any other player I can think of - and I don't think it's a close call. I'm rather surprised that he's not doing it this game, but that's unrelated to me read on him. He's town because he's not faking reads, he's dedicating time, he seems to care and his reads are very much in accordance with mine.

6) Obviously. If I thought you were locked into a scum read I wouldn't be spending time responding to your posts and attempt to meet your wishes.

7) I'm not sure what exactly you mean by that being very very late? Anyway, I didn't want to figure out exactly what I misunderstood, but I think I swapped TD and Cabd and one point, which caused the confusion. If you absolutely insist, I'll try to find it for you, but I do think it's a waste of time.

8) His most recent post that wasn't "town rage" happened subsequent to the post in which you claimed that he possessed "independent thought".

9) Alright, but I thought you had him as "obv town". Again, I may be thinking that you said something about TP which was really about Cabd, and vice versa.

10) Alright, I can see that this is really bothering you. Here is how I remember it, but I might mix up details because I really didn't consider it that important. I was talking to f about reads on gchat. I read both of TP and Cabd as scum. I read a post in which you said one or both of them was obv town and I asked you about one of them. When I asked you about your reasoning for thinking that person was town, I thought we were talking about the other person, so when I went to ISO the person I was actually ISO'ing the other person. This should all be confirmable if you reread. It's better that you do it yourself because a) I don't want to and b) if I'm doing it, you're just going to think I selectively quote certain posts or something similar.

11) It's np. No, I don't think you'd do that even if you were scum. I was just annoyed with you and I have a big ego.

- b

BRO, I mean both of those things, but mostly post-count.

@B&B:

The lurkiest of scumteams

.

@Orc: You keep trying to devalue my voice. You literally have no clue what my gambit could be, but you're already decrying it.
I'll never stop posting.
If you don't like it, replace out.

yes. cos yanno some scum like to lurk in games

you have no idea how I came to that conclusion

fery knows

fery would you say that if metal flips scum that rach is probably his partner?

based on his last reads list? It's not where scum-me would likely put a partner but I do see scum sometimes put teammates in their town pile at MS. Totally caught me by surprise in my first newbie game when my scum partner put me at the top of his town list.

Town
{

Nacho

,

2

,

GIF

,

Orci

,

Sven

, dfc,

AJ, Rach

, Ghostlin,

MetalSonic

}

Scum
{

Cabd

,

Tiphane

,

Mac

,

Varsoon, BROseidon

}

Updated.

Why is AJ, Rach, dfc, Ghostlin and MetalSonic town?
Why is Varsoon and BROseidon scum?

- b

2, however, I'm just not happy with.

Vote: 2

This looks opportunistic when you take into consideration the fact that a) you present no reason and b) Nacho just decided to push our lynch.

Why is Varsoon town?

- b

3. Andrius
4. BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy + pirate mollie)
5. BROseidon
6. Cabd
8. Ghostlin
9. GuyInFreezer
11. Mac
13. orcinus_theoriginal
14. RachMarie
18. TiphaineDeath
20. Varsoon

I'm not lynching any of these people. Most of them I'm not lynching ever, but there's too many people in here for me to actually say that. I would like everyone in this list to focus in on each other if they aren't comfortable with each other, though.

Havn't talked to f about Andrius yet. (correction, I talked to her while making this post and she has a strong town read on him, which I'm inclined to trust)
Majiffy/mollie is like 95%+ town.
BRO I havn't looked into.
Initially I thought Cabd looked bad, but his posts has been looking good later on. Also, he made one post that I thought was very indicative of a town mindset IIRC.
Ghostlin I havn't looked into.
GiF I think could still be scum because of that weird jump on the Sven wagon asserting that Sven claiming two roles is scummy (but he could just not know better, that's plausible too).
Mac I've looked at, but I can't read him for shit - I felt the exact same way in that other game. I also talked to f a bunch about it and she doesn't feel like she can confidently read him either
I'm trusting f on her town-read of orc because she's been right about him every other time and she has previously read him based off of only one or two posts.
Rach always just looks anti-town to me, and I havn't found any clear pattern. I like her persona, she just never appears to be particularly engaged in the game to me.
TD still looks scummy to me - especially when you weight in that the others from my Sven-wagon analysis doesn't otherwise stand out as scummy. f disagrees, though.
Varsoon doesn't look particularly town to me.

To sum up: I disagree only significantly with your read on TD.

vote - 2

Sheeping nacho here. I'm not sure I agree with him when he says varsoon is town, but I'm interested in varsoon if 2 and metal sonic are scum. That post vs me kinda felt like a chainsaw and bus all in one. Remember I said this if both 2 and metal flip scum.

Enjoy your sheeping-journey. I'm looking forward to the unvoting part of it.

- b

@orcinus mine first, then buldermars. If I don't get pissed off and take a break, I'll be posting an updated one after I go through a ton of ISOs tonight.

- f

Town: orcinus, nacho, B&B, BRO

Leaning town:
svenskt (for today - pretty sure this is my view only , not buldermar's)
Andreius
GiF (that was a weird thing about the chat game, though)
Cabd (in part based on nacho and to a lesser extent Rach)

Null/Town:
Rach (always and forever I swear)
Varsoon
Ghostlin (this read could slide)
Mac

Leaning Scum:
TD (buldermar's read mostly)
TMTwhatev
Maybe AJ

Not enough info to go on: Sajin, dntfkingcare, Metal Sonic, jon_h61

This is not a consensus list (yet anyway), but some of my views are influenced by buldermar's opinions.

Town:
Nacho
B & B
Orc
Sven
Maybe Vasoon

Scum:
At least one of {TD, GiF, Cabd}
Maybe TMTOL
Maybe AJ (based on f's opinion)

- b

dntfkingcare

fluff - initial 7 posts, not linking to them

self-meta 356

more self meta 819 comments on two wagons (varsoon - understands, but not jumping, and TD - doesnt understand, "reaction fishing"? What does this mean?

10 posts total. no fucking idea what his alignment is based on the available content, but low level of content in even those 10 posts looks really bad.

Alright, I'm back. Should I try this on 2 or on TheReverend?

You fucking do that on us. We're the ones about to get lynched, not Rev. WTF IS THIS

Makes me think--in a Lylo situation, all players could quote their role PMs directly, and the one guy who isn't modkilled is the scum, because he would have to lie or be modkilled. Then again, I guess if everyone is modkilled, there's no one to lynch the remaining scum.

Makes me think that you probably need a game with only Varsoon's to have enough people being that retarded.

Makes me think--in a Lylo situation, all players could quote their role PMs directly, and the one guy who isn't modkilled is the scum, because he would have to lie or be modkilled. Then again, I guess if everyone is modkilled, there's no one to lynch the remaining scum.

WHAT THE FUCK. WHY WOULD YOUR BRAIN EVEN GO HERE??

I am some sort of evil genius, or absolute retard, according to 2.


Anyway, let's lynch 2.
VOTE: 2

2, you're scum, right?

Please don't waste my time.

- b

[Varsoon]

hum. Didn't get what I quote tagged from the first page of ISO.

Regardless, B&B, why aren't you scum?

[Varsoon]

hum. Didn't get what I quote tagged from the first page of ISO.

Regardless, B&B, why aren't you scum?

Okay

So are we lynching varsoon before or after aj

Because we're lynching varsoon

Oh, Orc.
Why would you lynch town?

[Varsoon]

"Oh shit, Varsoon has an opinion!? Lynch that sonovabitch!"

[Varsoon]

Yeah fuck man I'm scared of your opinions yeah that's it


To everyone else: sorry I haven't been posting substantially, but I don't really see a lot to talk about given today's lynch is a bit of a foregone conclusion before now. Ill make something big when I get home

You're squirming again.

[Varsoon]

hum. Didn't get what I quote tagged from the first page of ISO.

Regardless, B&B, why aren't you scum?

Okay

So are we lynching varsoon before or after aj

Because we're lynching varsoon

After.

Also, the telling thing, guys, was how hard 2 defended me and ignored varsoon while it was the two of us expressing doubt openly as to 2's being scum.

2's ISO says otherwise. :p We both got enough attention.

[Varsoon]

Yeah fuck man I'm scared of your opinions yeah that's it


To everyone else: sorry I haven't been posting substantially, but I don't really see a lot to talk about given today's lynch is a bit of a foregone conclusion before now. Ill make something big when I get home

You're squirming again.

Oh my GOD.

bure bure bure bure
Your axle is shaking

[Varsoon]

hahaha, this setting up of the lynch of AJ, then me.
laughable.

[Varsoon]

Wait, like what the fuck do I have to do with that quote chain at all to be mentioned here? I've been staying quiet as to not "Spread wifom" (because god knows none of you would trust my reads until I die anyways), but still: What am I missing that I'm involved here?

I've got this one.

bure bure bure bure
Your axle is shaking

reads as an attempt to pull people off your wagon to pile on his. He's giving himself up in your defense. The only motivation I can see for that is that he knows your role and it's more important than his. Since a good many people see both you guys as scum, logic would be you have a scum PR.

I really hope AJ is a scum PR.

Also, do you -really- think I'm trying to make myself a lynch target when I've got a vote on AJ?

[Varsoon]

What you really don't understand is that anyone and everyone in this game realizes I'm getting lynched. There aren't many roles out there that are so important, you'd think of sacrificing another scum just to save scum for one more day. Ergo, bullshit on Varsoon's comment. Plus, this lynch was seen weeks ago. Were I a power role, my actions would've been fully implemented yesterday.

So bullshit, Varsoon. You didn't think that one through at all.

not following.

Why is everyone attributing Spinachattack's 2994 comment to me?

So bullshit, AJ. You didn't think that one through at all.

[Varsoon]

Nacho's right. I should probably play scummier in my scum games. Or maybe just less vocal? Ahhh, it's be way to obvious!

Anyway, here's my clothing, out to dry:

2. Aj The Epic - Scummy. Has accepted defeat, but seems like he's really pushing to see my lynch. Reading that as scum trying to line up a lynch on me after he flips.
3. Andrius - I dunno, I just don't know how to feel about andy. I think the slot might be scum. He seems like scum to me.
4. BeautyAndTheBeast - Iffy on this. Leaning scum.
5. BROseidon - Town.
6. Cabd - Leaning scum, don't like any of my interactions with him. Also, he won't order me a pizza. I really don't like his approaches.
7. Venmar - Ooof. This slot's a hard call. There's some weird tunneling happening at places, too. Scum?
8. Ghostlin - Town. I like my interactions with Ghostlin.
9. GuyInFreezer - Town, until I get paranoid again.
10. Ser Arthur Dayne - Scummy. The slot's done a lot of nothing this game.
12. Metal Sonic - I think he's town.
13. orcinus_theorigina - Definitely town, until I get paranoid, that is.
14. RachMarie - She's Rach.
15. Sajin - Dunno. Null here.
17. Nachomamma8 - Townboss.
18. TiphaineDeath - Scummy, but I've been over this.
19. spinachattack - Mitebscum. I didn't really like the slot before, but the new hydra just -feels- scummy.
20. Varsoon - Town, but nonsense.

[Varsoon]

Nacho's right. I should probably play scummier in my scum games. Or maybe just less vocal? Ahhh, it's be way to obvious!

or figure out how to stop getting yourself lynched in your towngames

I'm working on that, too.
I was actually doing pretty well in the last few games I was in, but I /out'd of all my games but this one.

By the way, guys, I'll be on V/LA from this upcoming thursday to next friday. Thought I should let you know.

[Varsoon]

Oh. For discussion purposes and because I want my stance out there:

Vote: Sajin

Whacha got against Sajin?
He's not that powerful of a voice, I think. When was the last time Sajin said something?
Feels like he might be taking a backseat.
Turns out he's not a super Sajin after all.


Anyway, I was sure I'd live 'till today because I wasn't being lynched and scum would rather kill people they think are PRs/good town players. I'm playing way too off-the-wall to ping as either, I'd imagine. Scum likes that I'm paranoid/misread 2. Scum wants me in a lylo situation. That's why I'm bulletproof. Or, at the least, seen as a weaker NK.

[Varsoon]

Thanks for having my back, for now, Nacho.
I assure you, I'm town in this game.

[Varsoon]

2 (or Buildermar, at least) lost his mind and went so far as to call me retarded for suggesting it, as it seemed like a good way for 2 to get out of being wagon'd.
Both of their reactions and interests in it read as town to me.
/shrug.
WIFOM it if you want, but each player saw it as a way to finally confirm themselves as town (to some extent, at least), and were both quite upset that it was totally illegal.

I don't see how it suggest that they were TOWN.


...

wait.
It involved posting role pms yes?
So scum would confirm by posting their role PM, thus they couldn't do it because they have scum role pms.


One word:
Fakeclaims.

The idea was that they couldn't fake-claim their flavor because other people would have three examples to use to scrutinize it.
/shrug

[Varsoon]

Oh hey, AJ is at L-1. I don't want any accidental hammers, TYVM.

UNVOTE: AJ

Accidental hammer?
We just got a votecount, any player in this game should know he's at L-1.



@Orc: You think that me wanting pizza sounds forced? Man, just buy me some damn pizza. I'm so hungry I melted cheese on a plate and licked it up.
I do agree on your comment on how contrived Venmar's hammer sounds.
God, why does Venmar's Hammer sound so badass?

[Varsoon]

@Rach Marie:

Here are my completed scum games.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=27133
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=28111

[Varsoon]

Yeah he did

What do you feel about it?

Pedit: damnit dude

And you get on

my

case about bad reaction tests.

Buy me some pizza.

[Varsoon]

That was not even remotely comparable to all the shit you have been pulling

<3

[Varsoon]

@cabd : Say that again plz.

I only started posting few hours ago after V/LA.

Catching up.

GIF, can you buy me some pizza?

[Varsoon]

@cabd : Say that again plz.

I only started posting few hours ago after V/LA.

Catching up.

GIF, can you buy me some pizza?

Now you're just trying to milk nacho's townread of you. No wonder people don't like to play with you.

No, I'm trying to get GIF to order me pizza because I haven't eaten any real food in over 50 hours.
People don't like to play with me because I'm unconventional.


Anyway, Nacho, how sure are you that AJ is scum shutting down and not just being sincere?
I guess we can't really know until the flip.
Regardless, I think AJ is scum, but his recent posts have been making me feel bad about it.

[Varsoon]

I guess we can't really know until the flip.

no shit

No shit.


C'mon, Andy. When I write something obvious, you don't have to call it out for being obvious.
It's like when you make a joke about something incongruous and someone points out the incongruity. Like, no shit, that's the joke.

Anyway, Andy, how do you feel about the AJ slot?
More importantly, how do you feel about Cabd, Spinachattack, and TD?

[Varsoon]

See the thing that is ticking me off he most (strangely) is the pizza thing, right now

Do you see how forced it looks

It is obviously scum trying artificially to mimick something he thinks he will get towncred for

Ffs

Crisis adverted: I bought some bread.

Anyway, I really did want a pizza, you shit.
But noooo, everyone online is too cynical to order a dude 15 bucks worth of delicious food.


What concerns do you have about my 2 vote? I already explained it. Besides, dude flipped a scum PR, so we won that one.

[Varsoon]

Not likely. He's east coast USA as well.

Also, I have the striking suspicion varsoon is trying to fakecrumb.

Couldn't be further from the truth.

[Varsoon]

I really really think andy is scum

Do you want to talk with me about it?

But noooo, everyone online is too cynical to order a dude 15 bucks worth of delicious food.

too cynical?
too poor.

Fair'nuff.
I'm really broke right now, too.


Anyway, Nacho, what do we do if AJ flips town?

[Varsoon]

If AJ flips town, my scumdar is broken and I'll probably try to pull a hard reset. We'll leave the townblock as orc, B&B, Cabd, Ghostlin, GiF. Then we'll split people in the townblock to interrogate other members that they aren't so convinced about, no interventions. Then we make another decision, reform the second ring of the townblock, lynch someone else.

Aj isn't flipping town SEE THIS IS FAKED CONCERN FOR TOWN

HE SID THE SAME THING WITH 2 too!

If you answered my 2 concerns go quote it for me because literally your posts have so much fluff I only ever skim them anymore

@Nacho: Right on. I'm a bit worried with how much he's shutting down, but I still hold the slot is likely scum.
And we all know my scum-dar is borked.


@GIF: Dude, if you can't be arsed to read what I write, then don't ask me things.

[Varsoon]

Blah, I called orc Gif.
I am terrible.

[Varsoon]

nvm don't have much to say

Will you get me that pizza?


Also, why aren't you reading Andrius as scum?

Who are your top scum candidates?

[Varsoon]

@Cabd: If I was worried about getting towncred, I'd play like I do in my scum games. I'm not concerned with that shit.

Let's catch scum.

[Varsoon]

WOW did I seriously logout and then log back in to the same account

Also, cabd, I'm not sure what you mean by fake breadcrumbing. I can see he's obviously exploiting that nacho read.

Also, happy scumday nacho

Go pull his ISO, look for role claiming in the most recent 30 posts or so. Look carefully, and you'll see it.

See what?
Dude, I think you're thinking way too hard about things.
If you can quote a post and make a case, go for it,
But the only thing I've claimed so far is town. :3

[Varsoon]

I feel like varsoon is crumbing bulletproof.

There was the offhand comment abotut it, and then post after post about:
Buy
Pizza

Where plenty of other things could have been requested etc. It's too forced to be accidental imo.

Ooooh, I see what you mean here.
Nah, I said I wasn't going to be killed last night because I was a dumb target for scum.
Furthermore, pizza is the only thing that'll deliver to my address.

[Varsoon]

Why

Would you point that out

If he was BP congrats now scum knows

If he is scum congrats you gave him a fakeclaim

Cabd shut up

It's k, I'm not bulletproof.

[Varsoon]

well if he denies it I really don't see how he can claim it later

This.

I'll inevitably have to claim, unless, in some bizarre world, my wagon never gets to L-1.

[Varsoon]

Still on VLA and holy shit three people killed during night?
We dropped like 4 town.

Quick reads.
Also, reaffirming to you guys that I am town. So,

@Ghostlin, why is there scum between me and Sajin? IF you can argue this, I'd put a vote there, since he's one of my scumspecs and I know I am town.

Andrius - suspicious of slot
BROSeidon- Dunno what to think. Seems to have taken a real backseat.
Ghostlin- Town
GuyInFreezer- Paranoia is telling me scum.
Ser Arthur Dayne - No info. Scum.
Metal Sonic- Town, I think.
orcinus_theoriginal- Town, but paranoia says I should put him as scum.
RachMarie- Scum.
Sajin - Scum
,Nachomamma8- Paranoia? scum. But I think he's town.
TiphaineDeath- Scum.
spinachattack - Scum.
Varsoon - Town.

Well shit.
If I had to slam a vote, It'd be GIF.
Dude is usually way more active and I don't like how he's made me think he's town solely due to his knowledge of my playstyle/interaction.
Otherwise, BRO or the Spinach hydra.

...Told you guys, I'm gonna make it past every night. Scum doesn't want to lynch me because of my play making town fight town, and how gullible I am.


GIF, please explain why you aren't scum.
Rach, why are you extra-passive this game? I'm used to more activity from you as town.
Nacho, lead me on the right path. I don't wanna think you're scum, but you won me over really easily too.

In fact,

Vote: Spinachattack

P-EDIT:
METAL SONIC'S ASKING ABOUT THE THREE KILLS AND STUFF, LIKELY BECAUSE HE'S SCUM, IS AWARE SCUM ONLY HAS TWO KILLS, AND WANTS TO FISH OUT THE VIGILANTE?
I DON'T KNOW.
MS, SPECULATION ON THE THREE KILLS WILL ONLY HELP SCUM.
I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE SLOTS THEMSELVES WARRANTED NKS/VIG SHOTS/SERIAL KILLINGS

[Varsoon]

Well, Ghostlin, I can promise you that I'm town, if that helps at all.

Can you post-link me to your case on Sajin, please?
Also, can you write up/link me to your case on BRO?

You seem very sure that there is scum between us, and since I know I'm town, I'm willing to give you credibility if you can explain why it'd be me or Sajin/BRO. Does that make sense?

I'm on V/LA for the week, because my internet connection isn't that trustworthy out here in the Bahamas, and I'll be doing stuff all day, but I'll try to check in every night if I can get the net working.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon: 2898. Add the fact that while everyone may have had a bad Day 2, his was one of the worst. He seems to be lying low.

Give me a chance to ISO Bro, please? I didn't hate him Day 2 and if I don't hate him now then I might not have anything.

Thanks, and I look forward to what you find.
It's almost 1 AM here, So I'm going to sleep.

[Varsoon]

@v: because if I was scum, you would've hard townread me til it's very late?

I can't fall asleep.

Also, this quote is truly terrifying.


I can see what you mean about BRO, Ghostlin.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: VARSOON

1) I shot varsoon last night. He isn't dead. Town_protective roles have no reason to protect him.
2) Nacho isn't dead. TownBastionofLightandGlory Nacho isn't dead. Its D4. I'm not sure how much else I want to claim at the moment but suffice to say I think Nacho has a chance of being scum.

orc flip is shocking and saddening.
MS probably isn't MechonisScum.


tl;dr: Shot varsoon in the face- he's not dead. pewpew

Woah woah woah woah.
I've only read to your post so far, but the fact that you're claiming that you shot me is sending up a thousand flags.

I'm town, you shit. And if anyone protected me, they wasted their protection. So, we're either playing with idiots or you are scum.

[Varsoon]

So, I start to type a response to the second vote on me, then my net cuts out for the rest of my V/LA trip.
I get home at 4 AM and rush online only to find I was stupidly lynched by a bunch of town who can't meta me, and are too short-sighted to realized they're being duped.

Good luck, town.
You'll need it.

Next time, please don't rush a lynch on the fucking V/LA who doesn't have an internet connection. It's like I wasn't even given a chance to defend myself, and you all just asshole'd me into the ground.

[Varsoon]

/Prein to Xenogears mafia

For serious, do it.



Neat to see this game finally ended. Maybe next time people will listen to me.

[Varsoon]

Holy crap that P-EDIT
It's like I've got ESPN.

[Varsoon]

I should honestly add Orcinus as a friend and get in every game he goes into and just make him lose his sanity.

[Varsoon]

Also, if any of you want to Hydra for the next game, I'd be down.
I think a Hydra would keep me WAY less insane/out there with my posting.

[Varsoon]

I figured gif for scum because of how strangely gif was playing early on.

@Mollie: Mostly that players will lynch you for proposing that everyone commit mod-suicide.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, the flavor and roles made this game really neat to follow.

Too bad I died so early!
Maybe I'll roll Citan next time.

[Varsoon]

@Orc: You can't fake this kind of crazy.

[Varsoon]

@Bork: You made the game awesome as well. Your modding was really top-notch, and I really enjoyed the flavor, roles, setup, etc.

[Varsoon]

Bork, I really do want to say, you've been a spectacular mod. As excited as I am for Xenogears Mafia, I'm even more stoked to be playing under your wing again.

[Varsoon]

Ooooh WOOP WOOP.

Yeah, I think Multiball games are a bit rigged in the favor of scum. It helps a lot if town knows it's a multiball going in.

@Cabd: I swear I'll be more coherent and sane in my posts next game.
Unless I roll VT, of course.

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

I'd really like to Hydra with someone, but I dunno how much anyone loves me to join at the hip.

[Varsoon]

Haha, damn.
You are always fun to play with, so I'll be excited if you're in-game even if we're not a hydra.

[Varsoon]

@mollie: Sure, just send me a PM of a game you wanna hydra into

[Varsoon]

@Bork: So, MetalSonic wants to Hydra up with me for Xenogears mafia. Would you allow my slot to be whatever hydra we end up running?
Yes, I am aware, this sounds like the most insane Hydra ever created.

[Varsoon]

Cool, I'll keep you posted on what our Hydra is called and all of that when/if it happens.

[Varsoon]

Hahahahaah

I don't know, maybe we'd calm down a lot if we were hydra'd. It'll be interesting.

[Varsoon]

Bork, did the scum in this game have fake-claims with flavor written for them?
If so, could you post those as well?

[Varsoon]

I usually get away with it by writing something like,

Well, in this [ONGOING GAME I CANT TALK ABOUT] there's things I could use to refute you.

[Varsoon]

Aaah, right on then. Then I shall not talk about other games, or even mention that I might want to talk about other games. Fairnuff

[Varsoon]

True, fair enough.
Although, there's nothing stopping people from searching other games I am currently in and looking at them right? They just can't mention them.

[Varsoon]

I agree on this point.
I'd like games to be fun before anything, and games getting stalled for technical issues/having to find replacements is not that much fun.