Micro 161: No-Newbie Newbie (over)

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Hi all, i'm replacing (someone). I will be studying for two finals I have tomorrow but will be active and caught up 100% after tomorrow night.

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I think that having the second head confirming is pro-town. By not doing it we could,i if we were scum, pretend that the second head got a different perspective on something and backpeddal out of an unfortunate situation/read.

- b

I'm mostly caught up. This post is troubling. Why did 2 feel the need to point out that their playstyle was "pro-town".

Then, followed by this to SoaT, who was already giving me scumvibes:

I think I've made it pretty clear already what I want you to do, and I don't buy that you've somehow missed it.

- b

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Questions about the motivation behind a vote are a good way to find the scum, IMO.

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Syndrome of a town and I dont think it needed to be specifically said that it was pro-town, if indeed it came from a town perspective.

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I'm a little lost here but 2's 182 rings a lot of bells for me. I'm going to hold off a vote on A_Stone until I get a chance to check his ISO a bit more thoroughly (at work atm), but I am in agreement.

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wow.. 80 posts since I last was here.. I have some catching up to do (right now) and will post my thoughts and responses.

(And my apologies for the lack of activity, I've been busy and caught up in other things for a couple days; I am normally much more active and will be now that school is done.)

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I think that having the second head confirming is pro-town. By not doing it we could,i if we were scum, pretend that the second head got a different perspective on something and backpeddal out of an unfortunate situation/read.

- b

I'm mostly caught up. This post is troubling. Why did 2 feel the need to point out that their playstyle was "pro-town".

Then, followed by this to SoaT, who was already giving me scumvibes:

I think I've made it pretty clear already what I want you to do, and I don't buy that you've somehow missed it.

- b

This post made me think that you were reading 2 and Soat as scum.

My feeling on SoaT was more of a gutfeel. I'm not sure about him. Same with 2, but there are more pings there than with SoaT.

How come you didn’t vote for either of them?

I didn't vote because I didn't feel my suspicion had been verified yet.

I’m also a little puzzled that you are now talking about joining them on the Stone bandwagon. Aren’t you a little uncomfortable being on the same wagon as your two early scum reads? Did I misinterpret what you said in post 144? Or have your reads changed?

I'm not uncomfortable with it because the arguments against Stone (at the time of your post here) made sense and gave me a stronger feeling on him than on 2 or SoaT. However, I didn't really think about that until you pointed it out, and until I see other evidence against any of these three, I'll need to think about it more.

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A_Stone's 230 is really bugging me. The responses in the spoiler come off almost

too agreeable

. Scum will often try to appease the concerns of the town in order to seem more friendly, and think it makes them look less scummy. 230 feels very scummy to me.

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Question for everyone: What is your read on Mr E?

I liked your points on him. From a quick look at his ISO, he seems intelligent, but smart doesn't always mean town. If you take the fact that he's logical out of the equation, his posts are rather null for me, but the way he went after TNE bothered me at the time because it was pretty clear to me what and why she was asking.

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I'll try to consolidate here.

That's just noise. That's cluttering the thread with junk.

I second this (regarding 2's prolific posting).

@Mr E: Why are you assuming you'll flip? Why mention flips now?

This is a good point. I've only ever said that as scum (I believe). Does anyone else find this an odd thing for Mr. E to say, or is it just a one-off thing?

I mention flips because that was what TNE’s reads/case on 2 seemed to be based on.

Obviously. Cases are based on the assumption of the suspect's flip.

Maybe you posting 10 times more than every other player fools tne and goodmorning, but it sure as hell doesn't fool me. Quality > quantity.

Maybe I'm posting both quality and quantity.

- b

This post indicates otherwise, to bring up just one example (of many).

Btw, 2, the Spoilered part of my post was addressed to you

I'm sorry that I didn't get around to responding to it sooner.

- b

So.... where is your response?

Syndrome, atm I am leaning town on Squared... that may change when I get a chance to really look at the ISOs, but from what I have seen they seem to be ok, as for the heavy level of posting, both heads are really hyperactive types who post a shitaki amount, so yeah not good enough for a case on them...

As RC pointed out... it's not the quantity of posts that is disturbing, it is the quality (which is in the toilet).

UNVOTE: A Stone
VOTE: RachMarie

serious vote. explain later

And no. You took the time to post this, you might as well have given something of a reason, and then explained in more detail later.

Conclusion

: A_Stone is looking pretty scummy, but so is 2. Bussing maybe? I don't know, but I'm going back to 2; the recent posts have been nothing but distraction. There's been no real content, discussion or actual responses to anyone (go ahead, go look, I just did).

VOTE: 2

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And no. You took the time to post this, you might as well have given something of a reason, and then explained in more detail later.

Hey how about you don't tell me what to do or tell me what I can and cannot post and when. Thanks.

I'm not and wasn't. And this still isn't an explanation of your vote on Rach.

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Liking SoaT a lot more for town, both for the vote and for the push back.

- f

Weren't you the one talking about assessing actions based on whether it was town-motivated or scum-motivated? What town motivation is there in randomly voting someone and not sharing the thought process behind it? Maybe he saw something the rest of us missed? Instead of just explaining it, he gave me attitude.

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Perhaps you're simple not emotionally or intellectually capable of understanding the concerns I've raised regarding A_stone.

If you bothered to actually read anything I've said, you'd know how I feel about A_Stone. I just happen to think you may also be scum. Ad Hom isn't a good defense.

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*sigh*...

I think I'm having trouble because the slot is a hydra... but f's posts are much better than b's, and after re-reading the thread, i think b's abrasiveness just gives me scumvibes. i know that's not a scumtell, and I'm just not sure since giving the thread another look over.

so,
UNVOTE:

I'd be willing to vote A_Stone as my second top read at the moment.

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@Mr. E: not second in rank of scumminess, second as in other scumread, now that I am less positive about 2.

What does the last bit mean? A compromise vote?

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Ah thanks rach.

Not a compromise vote. With my uncertainty about 2, a_stone has become my top scum read.

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@RC: if 2 is scum, who do you think might be the partner?

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It's been good for the rest of us I think. In your exchange I have found reinforcement of my suspicion of him, specifically his precedent of "non-answers".

VOTE: A_Stone

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Good. That's the point.

How does that help us?

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I am assuming you are waiting for rach, who has been less than active in other places i've been as well.

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I am assuming you are waiting for rach, who has been less than active in other places i've been as well.

Your assumption would be less than correct.

GM and RC are nullish reads that I throw into the town pile by POE.

How in the world do you have a Null read on me?

I can understand why. I thought you were probably town, but you've been acting weird and dragging out your little ploy to some great reveal. That doesn't help, not now and not later. If you are trying to figure someone out, put a vote down. There's nothing like a good vote to get someone talking.

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... are we playing the same game?

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TNE seems disinterested, but not necessarily scummy on that end.

I have also considered Rach to be town-ish. She may be worth a look-see, but I'm more sure about A_Stone right now.

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@A_stone: i'm sorry; answer what?

This game is boring as fuck and I don't think we are getting anywhere. Its still day one for fucks sake.

A_stone is scum, that seems almost obvious to me now. The rest of the discussion is fluff and useless unless we get a flip.

I like RC, mr. E... rach WAS in the game and if she doesn't post im going to vote her instead..

I

think

tne is town, null on gm but probably town. Null-leaning-scum on 2 but dunno. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the team was stone/rach either.


stone what did you want me to answer?

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What about RC do you like? I have him as a giant Null.

I like his posts. They seem to come from a genuine, town POV.

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Who would you lynch if given the absolute choice, RC?

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TNE seems disinterested, but not necessarily scummy on that end.

When I think something is scummy or not in the past, I don't go back and change stuff. Once scummy, always scummy.

I wait for shit to happen in the future.

That's called tunnelling and it is unproductive.

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@mod: LA until Sunday; surgery.

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That's really not why there were votes on 2.........

Also, mr. E on gm... excellent points. I'm going to reread gm.

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I'm here. I don't know what to think. There's just too much and everyone's going in different directions. The town is incredibly disorganized. I'm sorry but I'm honestly not that invested in this game because its just so... blah. I would easily vote GM or A_stone. I have a big problem with all the baiting gm did for a really lackluster and anticlimactic conclusion. It was a shitty move and the results were shitty.

Mac's cool, RC's cool, Mr E is cool. You guys agree on who to lynch and I'll vote that way.

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For the record, once we get a flip, I'll be 1000% more into it, but I'm at the point where I feel like we are going in circles. It has gone on so long I've begun to second guess my second guesses. That's bad. It's time to lynch.

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I'd vote GM. What do we have, 3 hours? With a 20 page day one, there's not enough time for a full re-read. But I think an ISO on some choice people is in order. I'm out of here (work) in about a half hour. I'll see you all then.

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Given the flip and NK, and GM's behavior leading up to the lynch, I'm going to VOTE: Good Morning.

I am currently rather ill, but have been re-reading. I just haven't had the energy to put my thoughts together. I'll tell you this for now, GM's entire play has been very scummy and I don't know why it didn't click for me before. There was a lot of bait and switch going on, and not much real scum hunting. More tomorrow, but first - sleep.

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I'm sorry all.. I got sick unexpectedly and have just been in bed and checking in from my phone every now and then. I've been horrible this game, I know that and I apologize. I am feeling a bit better today and do plan on putting my case on gm together for you sometime this afternoon.

P-edit: no, its not normal for me. With school ending, teeth business, deadlines at work, and now illness, its just been one thing after another. :/

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Ahhh good job scum. Sorry for replacing out but I've had a lot going on with work stuff. GiF played that jk/cop card better than I would have, even if the results weren't as expected. I am ashamed that I put both scum in my town pile though lol... nicely played everyone.