Mini 1439 -- Game Over

[qwints]

But seriously wow that is a fucking terrible vote from both of you. Get your shit together or just stop trying because it's really hurting my eyes.

=OMGUS!

You caught me for the wrong reason, whah!

[Ztife]

Can't really find the time to ISO Bump atm.

DJ looks town. Seems to be alot more careful with his words when he's scum.

Any reason why you're buddying with om?

[Bacde]

As bad as Om looks right now

I don't think that "Yeah, someone who self-metas as town would TOTALLY do it as scum to trick us" is a good reason to think Om is scum, since, ya know, Om also does that as town

I bet Om does it as scum though

@Om can you link us to some games where you self-metad as scum please?

[Bacde]

Ztife is town too

Guaranteed Town List

Bacde
Ztife
D_J

[Fegelein]

Ehh, even though I don't find DJ that scummy, there's a possibility that he is scum, but that only applies if Om is Town.

Unsure where I stand on this Om wagon. Will think about it.

this doesn't make any sense

fegel are you scum?

He could be buddying with Om, who in this case is Town in my example, in order to gain an ally.

It's unlikely though, but worth keeping an eye on.

[Bacde]

what if DJ is town? Does that have any bearing on Om's alignment in your mind?

[Fegelein]

If DJ is Town, it doesn't really have any bearing on Om's alignment.

[penguin_alien]

Om of the Nom reads town to me here not so much for activity level but for what he's contributing. He's making cases rather than spamming in my estimation. qwints seems more confrontational here than when he's been scum, IIRC.

Bacde, I don't know that I follow how you got from:

I'm a big fan of Om this game

@Fegel, who is your second-to-top scumspect? Because that is who you should be chasing down, since I'm town

to:

As bad as Om looks right now

I don't think that "Yeah, someone who self-metas as town would TOTALLY do it as scum to trick us" is a good reason to think Om is scum, since, ya know, Om also does that as town

I bet Om does it as scum though

@Om can you link us to some games where you self-metad as scum please?

[Secret Agent Sloth]

Haven't heard from Ven in the QT, but since I get busy myself sometimes I'm not too worried at this point.

But, that does mean we haven't had a chance to hash through our reads differences. So, until then, I'll go with mine.

Bump ain't scum.

Unvote.

Nor is Om.

just iso'd chillkid. looks fine to me. voted, gave reads. moved the game forward. you seem to be taking advantage of an empty slot.

Gonna take exception to this. Chill ISO votes Radiant for avatar, argues with Bump & qwints that join date is irrelevant (join date and/or avatar are not scumhunting tools outside of RVS), votes us for 96, loves our 162 so much we go from being scum to town having caught scum-Fegel.
Would like to see your reads & reasons asap. TIA.

@Red-Think you're more right with your last vote.

Vote: YOLO

~P

[Fegelein]

I'm still standing by Bacde being scummy btw, just not as much as I was before.

[Bacde]

Om of the Nom reads town to me here not so much for activity level but for what he's contributing. He's making cases rather than spamming in my estimation. qwints seems more confrontational here than when he's been scum, IIRC.

Bacde, I don't know that I follow how you got from:

I'm a big fan of Om this game

@Fegel, who is your second-to-top scumspect? Because that is who you should be chasing down, since I'm town

to:

As bad as Om looks right now

I don't think that "Yeah, someone who self-metas as town would TOTALLY do it as scum to trick us" is a good reason to think Om is scum, since, ya know, Om also does that as town

I bet Om does it as scum though

@Om can you link us to some games where you self-metad as scum please?

meh, I didn't really type my thought process

I was getting a little paranoid of om because he's being very diplomatic this game (diplomacy is a sign of scum)

and then other people started being suspicious of om so i didn't think it was crazy to start a post with "as bad as Om looks"

but if you'd notice post 402 was still somewhat of a defense of Om, as I didn't think the people voting for Om were doing so for the right reasons

[2birds1stone]

evilpacman18 replaces YOLO, effective immediately.

Votecount pending.

[MrBump]

evilpacman18

replaces YOLO, effective immediately.

*cracks knuckles*


@SAS: Can you guys just like not vote until you completely agree on reads? It's hard to know how many people I have jumping down my throat

[Secret Agent Sloth]

V/LA until monday

( The Venmar head )

~ V

[Om of the Nom]

If there's one thing that I will never let happen, it would be for me to be lynched because I'm using self-meta. I will defend my position on it and I will defend it as hard as I possibly can.


I can't think of any games right now where I self-meta as scum but I can guarantee that I've definitely done it before.

[Cheery Dog]

just iso'd chillkid. looks fine to me. voted, gave reads. moved the game forward. you seem to be taking advantage of an empty slot.

If I wanted a completely empty slot, wouldn't I be better on penguin_alien?
what chillkid had given is what has made me vote him.

[2birds1stone]

Vote Count 1.11

Om of the Nom (2) -- qwints, Red Dragon
Cheery Dog (0)
penguin_alien (0)
RadiantCowbells (0)
MrBump (2) -- Om of the Nom, don_johnson
Secret Agent Sloth (0)
qwints (1) -- Fegelein
don_johnson (2) -- Cheery Dog, evilpacman18
Fegelein (0)
Bacde (0)
Ztife (1) -- RadiantCowbells
Red Dragon (0)
evilpacman18 (3) -- Ztife, MrBump, Secret Agent Sloth

Not voting (2) -- penguin_alien, Bacde

With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch

Day One ends in (expired on 2013-04-26 06:24:00)

[Red Dragon]

Self-meta never has and never will be a scum tell regardless of the person comitting it. I've almost never seen it come from scum.

Self meta is always scummy. I have never seen town use it ever. Really really happy with this vote. COme one guys lets shoo shoo this bitch.

yeah, I'm really happy with my om vote. Flailing scum is flailing scum. Anyway, time to do real work.

Please point out the flail to me

as one townie to another

since I don't see it but would love to be convinced :3

His recent posts have been all over the place. Hyper defensive. The veil of scumhunting has been dropped at this point. Lynch ho mates!

But seriously wow that is a fucking terrible vote from both of you. Get your shit together or just stop trying because it's really hurting my eyes.

=OMGUS!

You caught me for the wrong reason, whah!

DITTO

since, ya know, Om also does that as town

I bet Om does it as scum though

He is taking advantage if this meta to lead us to think he is town. This is why meta is dangerous to base stuff off of because the person know his own meta. OM basically came out and said: "here is my meta, it is consistent with my town play. Follow me you bitches."

[Om of the Nom]

Self-meta never has and never will be a scum tell regardless of the person comitting it. I've almost never seen it come from scum.

Self meta is always scummy. I have never seen town use it ever. Really really happy with this vote. COme one guys lets shoo shoo this bitch.

Then fucking play more mafia because I see town use it all the time.

[Om of the Nom]

I'm not actually saying you should all follow me because I'm playing to my town meta anyway.
Honestly, I've been playing kinda more towards my scum meta for most of the game. I've been too calculated in my actions and I've been more logically based in my arguments, which is mainly what happens when I'm playing as scum.

[Red Dragon]

If there's one thing that I will never let happen, it would be for me to be lynched because I'm using self-meta. I will defend my position on it and I will defend it as hard as I possibly can.

I can't think of any games right now

where I self-meta as scum but I can guarantee that I've definitely done it before.

Bolded is exactly why we should lynch him right now. If people do not see the problem with this then they really need to read up on what the scums' win condition is.

Self-meta never has and never will be a scum tell regardless of the person comitting it. I've almost never seen it come from scum.

Self meta is always scummy. I have never seen town use it ever. Really really happy with this vote. COme one guys lets shoo shoo this bitch.

Then fucking play more mafia because I see town use it all the time.

Which is exactly why you are using it right now to look town. See that is the problem. YOur "self meta" is only used to help you survive and not catch scum. Therefore there is little town motivation for doing it.

Also, keep in mind that this is page 17. How much can we really go off of meta d1. In order to have a decent sized sample for meta to be relevant at all then we must have more than a few posts by one person. We have very little to even validate if om's self meta is actually consistent with his play right now.

Also, to make an addition to the case...

Note how when OM has only 2 votes on him (a far cry from a lynch or a wagon) he goes insane. Super hyper defensive. Every post he makes is centered around himself, and himself only. Note that he ceases to scum hunt and only concentrates on his defense. He only has 2 votes on him. Keep that in mind. It is clear that om's motivation to stay alive is several times greater than catching scum. This motivation indicates a scum alignment as opposed to a town one. I think we could gain a lot of information from om's wagon and eventual lynch.

I still like yolo. But guys, we have a live one right here.

[Ztife]

I'm not actually saying you should all follow me because I'm playing to my town meta anyway.
Honestly, I've been playing kinda more towards my scum meta for most of the game. I've been too calculated in my actions and I've been more logically based in my arguments, which is mainly what happens when I'm playing as scum.

so whats the purpose of your self meta again?

[MrBump]

Yeah, Om's insanely defensive abuse and use of profanities doesn't scream Town.

[Red Dragon]

Also, we have no reactions from om in response to flips or night action results., Something that is crucial to playing mafia, and thus also crucial to the assessment of his meta.

Personally I do not think meta should be used at all to construct cases or to defend against them. A players actions should stand on their own merit. However, I am willing to concede that meta could be useful in order to show, without a doubt, that om's motivation for using such meta is only for his personal gain, instead of that of the town. So a question to om:

Why do you need to show us your meta when your actions should, under

all

circumstances, be enough to ascertain townieness on their own?

@ztife, I know I'm going to break a rule that I previously made by answer a question for om. But I believe that the purpose of his town meta i gain a sense of "town authority". That allows him to not worry about getting lynched himself and to push whatever lynch he wants with a group of people who will "follow the leader". His motivation could not possibly be to prove that he was town in and of itself, because no one was seriosuly questioning his townieness at the time.

[Red Dragon]

Yeah, Om's insanely defensive abuse and use of profanities doesn't scream Town.

getcho ass on the wagon.