KingPin wrote:A couple of things.
FOS: Sprontalic and TSQ
I have had TSQ pegged as being scum since D1 and his quick lynch. Yesterday the town screwed up. I think it has something to do with the Islamists trying to railroad the town.
No, might as well claim. I am a plain republican, your read is off, but I hardly think it matters. The islamists have won this game.
Spron: Before you voted for Germy, did you bother to read the thread and figure out who may have actually advocated for the seer to claim?
TSQ wrote:Conclusion: Seer should counterclaim if lying brian is not it. If I do not see a counter claim, I will assume lying brian is seer.
The reason this is important is because it leads me to believe that the Islamists were already setting up their endgame strategy. A quick railroading of a townie would put them in a position to win if Commie scum nightkills an innocent.
I think the islamist strategy (and I think you very well may be one of them) hardly matters. Unless they play in a retarded manner, they will win.
I found TSQ suspicious from D1. I have stated those reasons previously. I explained yesterday that it was important to lynch scum, of either faction. Leading the charge on Germy, was TSQ.
This is again wrong. I was not leading the charge. I was suspicious of germy, the point brought about based on his behavior being opposite of that expected of a townie when faced with LBs claim was very compelling to me, but I certainly was not the one to make it. I do not find it suspicious that people made it, or followed it. You have to reconcile in your mind KP, that sometimes townies make mistakes and do things that are bad for the town, this does not make said things scum tells. Sometimes town does it on purpose as a joke between friends, and as meta choices (the former being the case in the SL lynch.) This again does not make them scum tells. Looking at the intent of the action is how one determines if it's scummy or not.
Of course, a majority of you were involved in that. Which leaves us with a lynch or lose situation. We must lynch an Islamist today.
Which is the same situation as yesterday. I pointed that out, and you naively said we need to kill commie yesterday. That was dumb, because it was obvious the commies would pursue a strat of non killing because killing puts THEM in LOL.
Which leads me to TSQ. TSQ ignored the writing on the wall, while basically telling Nai that he needed to counter-claim, though it was clear that Nai was the Seer. I can think of a couple of reasons that this drew my attention.
Actually, my analysis was pretty succinct. We know this an open setup game. We need to kill a scum today. Our main threat is the islamists. Losing a seer is worth it to out one of the two communists. I still stand by that reasoning. Notice communists are not our threats right now, that is because with 1 member instead of 2, they fear a tie as much as we do, and are essentially on our side for now. I also backed up my positions by showing the mathmatical rundowns of the scenarios.
1. TSQ wanted the Seer gone, shows signs of Commie Scum.
Answered above, that was not my reasoning.
2. Wanted to be absolutely certain that his nightkill was the Seer, signs of Commie Scum.
Actually, if you recall correctly, I suggested a gambit which would commies a disincentive to killing the seer at night. Also, I thought that commies would recognize that with the numbers islamists were a bigger threat to their win conditions.
3. TSQ used the same “writing on the wall” to all but claim he was the last Commie Scum.
TSQ wrote: germy, even if
I AM
a communist, you realize that town has to lynch islamist today, right?
(bold added for emphasis)
Conclusion: TSQ is the last Communist.
This is again another blatant misstatement. The opperative word in my statement is not 'I AM' It is
IF
. My argument was that even if he thinks that I am the last remaining communist, he still should be pushing in other directions, because I felt, and still do, that an islamist should have been killed.
TSQ was wrong in his assessment that and Islamist needed to be lynched yesterday, see previous statements by myself and others. Instead sheep followed suit and voted germy.
Mod wrote:Vote Count
4 - germy (Yosarian2, Thestatusquo, sprontalic, Zindaras)
1 - Yosarian2 (germy)
not voting: KingPin, Norinel, Lucresia
Sheep this late in the game are usually trying for a scum win. Additionally, A wagon this fast at this stage of the game, seems to indicate quick acting scum.
I agree with the sheep thing, but I would also contend that the arguments against germy were valid. I would also (though I doubt it will be believed) like to put out there that I was planning on unvoting germy as the wagon grew, but couldn't because he self voted...A retarded strategy. But I disagree that we needed to be lynching the communists, and the communists have proven my point, as they are forced to play on the towns side right now, as they lose in draw scenarios.
I am betting that three of the four people on that wagon are scum. Zin, gives me the most town vibes. TSQ, I think is Commie and the other two, IMO are Islamists. I have no real scum feel from either Nori or Luc.
I think you are severely missreading this game, or you are in fact scum. The islamic group, in my opinion, would not give scum vibes, because they are pretty much a second town, except that they know each other. I don't know if you've ever played with cults before, but the islamists, to me, seem much more likely to act in that manner than in a traditional scum sense. I believe you have to throw your traditional scumdar out the window with islamists, as it is in their best interest to play as town, only scum hunting for the communists. I would expect then, an islamist, at this point in the game, to focus on throwing a lot of suspicion on someone they thought was a communist, while pretending to search for their own number. This is exactly what you just did
FOS: kingpin
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