Mini 1438: Gonzo Mafia (Scum Win)

[kuror0]

@bulder
I have not put an effort to save SE-Asians. I just don't believe Lincolm's frustrating/sarcastic claim is a scumtell and I will keep fighting against this idea. Other than this, I don't have a town read on them. In fact, via PoE, I think they have a good chance of being scum.

dude...

SE-Asians (L-3): I Am Innocent, Bacde, Human Destroyer, kuror0
buldermar (L-6): SE-Asians
borkjerfkin (L-6): pirate mollie
Bacde (L-6): Nachomamma8, mantisdreamz

Not Voting: Remembrance, AngelusW, borkjerfkin, buldermar, Wisdom

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is April 13th at 9:30 PM EST

[kuror0]

How you dare to say you haven't put an effort to save SE-asians??? You were even counter voting anyone getting on his wagon.

[Wisdom]

Yes I did put an effort to save him when people were using the claim to peg him as scum. But other than that, it's not like I want to protect him from a lynch.

[kuror0]

Yes I did put an effort to save him when people were using the claim to peg him as scum. But other than that, it's not like I want to protect him from a lynch.

It may be my poor English but that sounds like a direct contradiction. "I did put an effort to save him... but it's not like i want to protect him from a lynch."

[borkjerfkin]

Nah I get what he means -- he does not think that the claim should be used as part of a case on SE-Asians scum, but other than that he doesn't have a townread on him.

[Wisdom]

Blah let me clarify myself because I'm feeling I am looking like an idiot right now.

I have a null, possible leaning scum on SE-Asians. Sora, who is the head I can read best, has not pleased me very much; I didn't like his referring to my meta too much. Last time he was scum he tried to call me town and buddy me and I figured him, possibly now he wanted to change that to "I'm not sure, this looks like his scum meta".
tne is being the usual tne which I can't read, and Lincolm's frustration did look town at first glance but it's not above Lincolm to fake something like this.

What I have a clear opposing against is that his claim was a scumslip. He KNEW he's claiming something outside the setup, he did it on purpose, he was sarcastic about it. The first thing to say after HD noticed his claim was "so now you're reading my posts, huh?", which makes it obvious that he was also going for reactions. I am NOT saying that this makes him town. But when I came into the thread, and everyone was voting him for "scumslip"/ "lies" and similar stuff I got angry and that's why I opposed the wagon and even started voting those supporting the above.

My intention is not to save him, and if IaI manages to convince me he's not as scummy as he looks I might even consider supporting SE-Asians being today's lynch. I do not disagree that if anything, he is a goldmine of reactions and his flip might be very telling in figuring out others.

[pirate mollie]

HD change Rem to Bacde and you might have nailed the scumteam.

This is the first time I've seen you entertain the possibility of Asians being scum.

swap wisdom for buldey. I forgot about buldey probably cos he is ignoring me.

okay I am not going to be as engaged and I have mod shit to attend to at tr.

my for sure town reads that I will not get weird on ever and will be clinging to like a burr are borky, hd and buldey.

[pirate mollie]

also kuror I have been one of the top posters and certainly the biggest shit stirrer how do you not have a read on my slot

[kuror0]

also kuror I have been one of the top posters and certainly the biggest shit stirrer how do you not have a read on my slot

shocking right? You come and go but most of the time you are focused on one thing only. And for some reason your posts doesn't stand out on my head.
Also do you find scummy that I don't have you on my list due to the reasons you said? Or you asked out of pure curiosity?

[Majiffy]

Fate is replacing Bacde.

[Human Destroyer]

This is a generic message that says something along the lines of

V/LA from Friday night through Saturday

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[Mantisdreamz]

I have a stronger townread on Nacho than Mantis right now; it's mainly for him coming in with that plan. I don't know what to think of Mantis, although I read her going after the inactive as frustration that she's townreading the entire game right now.

that was exactly it.

@ kuror0 - i wasn't actually suggesting angelicus to wisdom (even though it was in the middle of a question to him, i was more saying it out loud).

[Mantisdreamz]

I do not have a scum read on Bacde and I'm having trouble seeing that angle.

Still think IAI is town.

Meh

me too. although the replace out was weird.

I am not going to be around much but if I went with bc town then I would have to rethink my town read on mantis and nacho. both of them want to go after bc but I just don't see it. why is nacho wanting bc so bad and why in the world does mantis want to go after angelus I don't remember her ever going after an inactive.

one of the reasons i was (am) voting bacde was because i thought this his and nacho's conversation seemed a little funny. starting from 560 to 571

[Human Destroyer]

I'm not sold on the idea of Wisdom being town, but I don't have any particular post I can point to and say "look, he slipped here". I just don't like how he initially put in a ton of effort to save Asians and now is explicitly entertaining the idea of him being scum.

He did this in the last DoP game and I tunneled him hard for it.

We were both town.

[Majiffy]

This just in: I'm probably going to choke AngelusW to death next time I see him.

[Fate]

how the living fuck is this 37 pages already

I haven't even started posting yet

[Wisdom]

I have, that's probably why.

[Majiffy]

Yeah next time Wisdom is in one of my games I'm going to give him a 20-page post restriction. That is, he can't post until the game is at least 20 pages long.

[Wisdom]

Make me post 20 pages by myself instead, easier.

[Fate]

Nacho get in here and talk sense to me. After you take your vote off and re-assess the game with me being town ofc

[buldermar]

@bulder
I have not put an effort to save SE-Asians. I just don't believe Lincolm's frustrating/sarcastic claim is a scumtell and I will keep fighting against this idea. Other than this, I don't have a town read on them. In fact, via PoE, I think they have a good chance of being scum.

Alright. Maybe I'm misinterpreting things then - at the very least I'll keep this in mind.

[buldermar]

HD change Rem to Bacde and you might have nailed the scumteam.

This is the first time I've seen you entertain the possibility of Asians being scum.

swap wisdom for buldey. I forgot about buldey probably cos he is ignoring me.

okay I am not going to be as engaged and I have mod shit to attend to at tr.

my for sure town reads that I will not get weird on ever and will be clinging to like a burr are borky, hd and buldey.

I said I wouldn't ignore you anymore and I meant it sweetheart ♥

[I Am Innocent]

Well just have doctors claim before cops

If no doctors claim don't have the cops claim

I actually like this Idea.

Worst case scenario is...

Doc claim --> Cop claim --> Scum choose to kill someone else --> Cop investigates town --> Scum kill N2 cop.

Or

We lynch N2 cop

What?

Oh... And scum successfully counterclaims the real cops/doctors

This sounds like scum thinking to me.

^bad post

Why was my Bacde vote a "bad post"?

Oh, so you don't like people just writing bad post and not elaborating, huh? Then stop that crap yourself.

I'll excuse you because you're stopping there, but if you continue pushing that the VT claim is a scumtell after you've read everything I'll vote you.

Still pushing it.

With the VT claim, and now this, why are we up to 25 pages??? This should be lynched with fire by now?!?!?

Good place to stop.

And again... Sorry for "our" little frustration fest.

So you admit it was a "joint effort"?

I don't get this. Would scum be more motivated to get this plan rolling than town?

This is actually what I am trying to figure out.

This is bad because if doctors claim, doctors will always be the target, meaning that our doctors effectively becomes useless.

This is not a bad thing. They are useless after one day anyway.

So you're willing to trade no chance of a succesful protection for a potentially guaranteed investigation?

I would. With odd numbers to start, it takes two successful protections to give us another lynch (in other words, not very likely!)

Getting long, will post this now.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: I am Innocent

[I Am Innocent]

Nah I think the doc should claim first.

There's no guarantee that the cop will not die if only the cop claims.
So Doc should claim first

At least scum gets WIFOM panic.

Probably too late now, but if Asians is wanting it, it gets me thinking it must be bad.

I finally realized why.

Outted docs on early days give scum a smaller pool to shoot for cops in later days. Unoutted docs keep the pool of unknowns larger.

[In my best wisdom voice]Next person that defends this slot gets my vote![/In my best wisdom voice]

pedit: I really hope you're town so I can feed you loads of humble pie after this game ends