Mini 1438: Gonzo Mafia (Scum Win)

Human Destroyer · Post Post #375 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:59 pm

In post 373, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 371, Human Destroyer wrote:I don't see wishy-washiness in that game. Null read =/= wishy-washy. TNE appears to take strong stances on people's alignments in that game, at least in the bit I skimmed.

Here's one

Nope.

This is literally the opposite of wishy-washiness. Again, takes stances throughout, doesn't go "Well, he could be town, but he could be scum"

Vote Count:

SE-Asians (L-4): I Am Innocent, Bacde, Human Destroyer, buldermar
buldermar (L-5): Wisdom, SE-Asians

Not Voting: Nachomamma8, mantisdreamz, AngelusW, kuror0, pirate mollie, Remembrance, borkjerfkin,

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is April 13th at 9:30 PM EST

SE-Asians · Post Post #376 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:00 pm

Stop stopping at page 10 and read everything else

Human Destroyer · Post Post #377 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:02 pm

In post 376, SE-Asians wrote:Stop stopping at page 10 and read everything else

I did, I still don't see the wishy-washiness.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #378 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:05 pm

Like, I understand you guys think TNE is scummy normally

But the tells I'm pointing out aren't the ones town-TNE committed.

So...what gives?

Wisdom · Post Post #379 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:06 pm

In post 345, buldermar wrote:
In post 340, Wisdom wrote:I believe mollie provided an example of Lincolm doing "retarded shit" as town.

I need a link to that game then if you don't mind.

I think it was this

Wisdom · Post Post #380 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:07 pm

In post 378, Human Destroyer wrote:Like, I understand you guys think TNE is scummy normally

But the tells I'm pointing out aren't the ones town-TNE committed.

So...what gives?

Okay, explain the upper part of your dot list again then.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #381 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:07 pm

In post 379, Wisdom wrote:
In post 345, buldermar wrote:
In post 340, Wisdom wrote:I believe mollie provided an example of Lincolm doing "retarded shit" as town.

I need a link to that game then if you don't mind.

I think it was this

Yes, he fakeclaimed in that game

But it was a gambit meant to confuse scum

That's not at all the same as a "sarcastic claim" that you guys are trying to push.

SE-Asians · Post Post #382 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:08 pm

In post 378, Human Destroyer wrote:Like, I understand you guys think TNE is scummy normally

But the tells I'm pointing out aren't the ones town-TNE committed.

So...what gives?

Actually... I dunno myself.

People keep saying that my reads were wishy-washy so yeah...

Remembrance · Post Post #383 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:08 pm

Stop being inaccurate guys. Just link directly to the instance of major flip flopping.

In post 696, thenewearth wrote:
In post 695, Wisdom wrote:So let me guess, you don't consider him scum anymore? Cuz you know, you're voting him.

Oh right...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Wisdom

Read down from 696, in which TNE flip flops and poE's himself as scum. Because he had 4 town reads in a 3 scum 3 town game.

Wisdom · Post Post #384 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:09 pm

@HD No, I was referring to what mollie was saying about Lincolm being incompetent as town. With the blocking the freezing and stuff.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #385 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:11 pm

In post 352, Human Destroyer wrote:And if I haven't made it clear enough:

Weak backoff from Wisdom when pressed

Attempting to quash productive discussion, possibly out of fear

Soft pushing of Wisdom even after unvoting him

Doing nothing with their vote except weakly OMGUSing without any sort of push

1. Post 95, he just randomly drops the conversation with a vote plop back on his RVS.
2. Post 73, asks for meta discussion to stop.
3. This should be obvious, just look at his posts after he switched back to Remembrance. He continues to push you, but it lacks drive and motivation, and there's no vote to back it up.
4. Again, should be obvious, Lincolm votes me after I vote him with no real reason and doesn't even attempt to push me.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #386 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:12 pm

In post 384, Wisdom wrote:@HD No, I was referring to what mollie was saying about Lincolm being incompetent as town. With the blocking the freezing and stuff.

I thought we were talking in terms of claims. Y'know, which is the most relevant meta we could look at with Lincolm right now, since night actions won't matter until we actually reach night.

I was the best role evar that game though

buldermar · Post Post #387 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:13 pm

Ok I've read every post made by thenewearth in that game. He seems like a condescending, immature teenager with a superiority complex, but he didn't do anything even remotedly as retarded as what was supposedly done as town in this game. Nor was he "extremely scummy" as you put it, nor did he exhibit "similar scumtells". Could you please quote the exact posts that you think this holds true for? I feel like I've wasted my time searching for something that I suspected wouldn't be there in the first place.

Wisdom · Post Post #388 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:15 pm

In post 387, buldermar wrote:Ok I've read every post made by thenewearth in that game. He seems like a condescending, immature teenager with a superiority complex, but he didn't do anything even remotedly as retarded as what was supposedly done as town in this game. Nor was he "extremely scummy" as you put it, nor did he exhibit "similar scumtells". Could you please quote the exact posts that you think this holds true for? I feel like I've wasted my time searching for something that I suspected wouldn't be there in the first place.

This game was not for you. The one who did the "retarded shit" was not thenewearth, it was Lincolm.

buldermar · Post Post #389 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:15 pm

Also, he was very active in that game as opposed to this. Not that it is necessarily alignment-indicative.

buldermar · Post Post #390 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:16 pm

In post 388, Wisdom wrote:
In post 387, buldermar wrote:Ok I've read every post made by thenewearth in that game. He seems like a condescending, immature teenager with a superiority complex, but he didn't do anything even remotedly as retarded as what was supposedly done as town in this game. Nor was he "extremely scummy" as you put it, nor did he exhibit "similar scumtells". Could you please quote the exact posts that you think this holds true for? I feel like I've wasted my time searching for something that I suspected wouldn't be there in the first place.

This game was not for you. The one who did the "retarded shit" was not thenewearth, it was Lincolm.

You've got to be fucking kidding me -_-

Feel free to link me to exact posts as I'm not going to read through another entire game.

buldermar · Post Post #391 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:17 pm

In post 379, Wisdom wrote:
In post 345, buldermar wrote:
In post 340, Wisdom wrote:I believe mollie provided an example of Lincolm doing "retarded shit" as town.

I need a link to that game then if you don't mind.

I think it was this

I appreciate you finding the game, but I'd love if you could locate the precise posts.

Wisdom · Post Post #392 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:17 pm

Well for this game you'll have to ask mollie to provide specifics as I was not in it.

SE-Asians · Post Post #393 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:19 pm

In post 389, buldermar wrote:Also, he was very active in that game as opposed to this. Not that it is necessarily alignment-indicative.

'Cause this is hydra account. I'd let the others deal with their stuff.

buldermar · Post Post #394 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:19 pm

In post 392, Wisdom wrote:Well for this game you'll have to ask mollie to provide specifics as I was not in it.

So you know that he usually does shit like this because mollie says so?

buldermar · Post Post #395 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:23 pm

In post 393, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 389, buldermar wrote:Also, he was very active in that game as opposed to this. Not that it is necessarily alignment-indicative.

'Cause this is hydra account. I'd let the others deal with their stuff.

That's fair and understandable.

Wisdom · Post Post #396 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:23 pm

In post 385, Human Destroyer wrote:
1. Post 95, he just randomly drops the conversation with a vote plop back on his RVS.

It was stated that the vote on Remembrance was not just RVS, he had reasons for voting him so I don't see why it is strange that he decided to vote him again.

2. Post 73, asks for meta discussion to stop.

There are players who don't like meta arguments and discussions, so this is null and not alignment-indicative.

3. This should be obvious, just look at his posts after he switched back to Remembrance. He continues to push you, but it lacks drive and motivation, and there's no vote to back it up.

I don't see why he wouldn't continue to push me, especially since his reasons for voting Remembrance were related to me and drawing my attention and stuff.

4. Again, should be obvious, Lincolm votes me after I vote him with no real reason and doesn't even attempt to push me.

As evidenced by the claim, Lincolm was in a state of anger during that post. The OMGUS is not strange at all, and is in fact of minimal importance given the presence of the VT claim. Therefore I don't think that this OMGUS has any value either.

buldermar · Post Post #397 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:24 pm

I just realized that it being a hydra account may skew things towards it actually being a joke. If it was indeed a fake-claim, I'd imagine that some percentage of the time the person intending to make the fake-claim would confront the other participants of the hydra with the idea before actually making it. I'm not saying that I rule it out altogether, but this does make me second guess myself.

Wisdom · Post Post #398 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:26 pm

In post 394, buldermar wrote:
In post 392, Wisdom wrote:Well for this game you'll have to ask mollie to provide specifics as I was not in it.

So you know that he usually does shit like this because mollie says so?

Nope, I know that it's not above Lincolm to do such stuff because I've played with him and read some of his games.
I do not have a specific example myself where he did something similar, so I pointed to the one mollie brought up.

buldermar · Post Post #399 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:28 pm

In post 172, SE-Asians wrote:Nah, sorry, wrong account.

I don't know which part that I'm not explain clearly to you. I already explain all. And you're questioning that I already post.

Nah, okay, game over baby, mislynch coming. Sorry Sora and TNE. Sorry Town. No one believe me.

I still don't understand the "wrong account" thing. Wisdom, can you explain this?