Diffusion of Power (Open 478) over

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Vote Count 4.02

Mitillos

( 0 )

ProHawk

( 0 )

Bacde

( 0 )

Cheery Dog

( 0 )

zabriel

( 3 ) ProHawk , Bacde , Human Destroyer

CF Riot

( 0 )

Jalyn

( 0 )

Human Destroyer

( 3 ) Cheery Dog , CF Riot , zabriel

Not voting:

Mitillos , Jalyn

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-03-26 06:42:49)

[Human Destroyer]

Here's the thing though, if you're scum, then you can make your reads whatever you want them to be to benefit your team. So like, if you thought maybe I should try to keep Kmd alive today, you could change your read on ProHawk to give yourself a reason to vote someone else. Plus you basically just said, "I thought Kmd was scummy, but I also thought ProHawk was scummy, so I voted Mitillos." That doesn't make you look good when Pro and Mit are probtown and Kmd is deadscum.

I said ProHawk/Mitillos/3rd person scumteam

Look at my reads again. I have ProHawk as town Day 2, and like his case against Kmd. Therefore, I sheep it. ProHawk looks considerably scummier with CF Riot and Bacde both being prob-town. Since his most probable scumpartner is Mitillos and Mitillos has the bigger wagon, plus Mitillos is objectively scummier, AND has been a scumread since D1...why WOULDN'T I be on the Mitillos wagon?

Read m0ar

Hey HD, why Zab?

I'll answer that question with a question. Why

not

Zab? He hasn't exactly been the embodiment of pro-town play, and you'll see his vote on me is actually pretty shitty (although that's a post-vote reason).

[Jalyn]

A) Wish we could cross two more people off the list and have 3 reasonably confirmed, but I'm a N3 doc and protected Bacde last night, figuring he was all but confirmed innocent and an obvious target because of it. (CF isn't confirmed, but it seemed unlikely that he'd fake claim and then point to a scum buddy as innocent.)

B) I'm going to go back to the Kmd post I pointed out yesterday, noting that he very specifically targeted me as the only person that fit the "not in on other lynch" criteria, while conveniently missing that another person fit the exact same criteria.

vote:Cheery Dog

I've only skimmed through today and will look at the arguments for HD and zab tomorrow evening, hopefully.

[CF Riot]

And Mitt goes right back on the table. This shakes my HD vote a bit but I might still be okay with it. Pro is still probtown cause of interaction with Kmd though.

unvote

[Cheery Dog]

Even if you believe it (not sure I do personally), you don't think he could have been scum planning to claim N3 doc from that point on?

I don't think kmd was likely bussing Mit there due to this post I voted him on, though it does mean prohawk isn't as confirmed town.

[Bacde]

unvote

I'm like the worst townie ever

anybody want to tell me whats going on? If not, I'ma actually try to trudge through this thread

[ProHawk]

What's the deal with all of these unvotes without a re-vote? Scum hiding this well to you?

[CF Riot]

I dunno who I suspect more now. HD scumread made tons of sense when you and Mit were probtown but w/o that it kinda falls off. And I really really thought Mit was scum and I'd like to be right about that so voting him would be more satisfying. But then again after making the case on HD his posts in defense of himself were pretty trash. And then there's Zab/Cheery/Jalyn, none of whom are cleared at this point so. Yeah, it's kinda hard right now. (The game I mean.)

[ProHawk]

Lemme get my wall up on Zab and tell me where you stand after that.

[ProHawk]

Zab-Scum:

There are few points I would like to make as to why I am pretty sure that Zab is scum.

First, his activity has been waning, which is characteristic of early-eager scum turned complacent and tired of keeping up a ruse.

D1 - 69 Posts - approx 7.5 posts/day
D2 - 1 Post - approx <1 post/day
D3 - 8 Posts - approx <1 post/day
D4 - 2 Posts - approx 1 post/day

It is also worthy of note that during day 1 Zabriel went V/LA and has not been V/LA during any of the subsequent days.

Second, his pattern of votes have been placed with little thought or care and his vote on HD is well, OMGUS.

Finally, what I first noted when I voted for Zabriel was his shady interaction with KMD. It pretty much started with this.

Why KMD over the rest of the lurksacks ProHawk?

I wasn't calling out KMD-scum for lurking by the way, in fact, I never even mentioned anything about lurking. Zab pulled that up all on his own.

After showing Zab my case on KMD, it then escalated into a small "slap-your-wrist" fest with the following exchange.

Spoiler: Scum-Scum Exchange

@Prohawk - Thanks.

Yeah, that makes sense.

The Puck has one post with any content. His one post with content looks fake and opportunistic.

DO keeps pushing this bad case on Wisdom, and it's really gotten past the point where I'm thinking stubborn town.

Mitillos. The whole "I watched this one Newbie game where HD was scum, so I think he's scum here too" was pretty bad. He also kind of overstated how bad a policy lynch would be.

But don't you think that Siv's been too quiet to be scum, rather than null?

Non-controversial targets are non-controversial because they are obv.scum. Otherwise they would be controversial.

Basically everything Prohawk said about KMD.

Also:

In post 610, Kmd4390 wrote:
The last time I played with prohawk, he looked obvtown (although some people disagreed). He doesn't look that way here.

Srsly kmd?

McQueen. If we can't agree on anything else, I've got enough paranoia that he might be overdoing the VI thing to vote this.

Srsly bro.

Thoughts about the game KMD?

Dunno haven't really read it. Pretty sure siv is scum though. And whoever replaced tigerzone is town. Slimer is town. Basically what I said in my big post.

So after calling me out for calling KMD scum, he then agrees with me, but not enough to pressure KMD with a vote, but begins an awkward back-and-forth with him. "Srsly bro" is an acceptable response to Zab's concern, and "Dunno haven't really read it." is cool with him too. Never once does Zabriel return to address KMD, vote, or even talk about KMD.

Next comes the bus on Day-3.

I don't think Mitillos is to blame for McQueen deciding to drop the hammer.

I'm getting really tired of McQueen's VI antics. That hammer was terrible, and I think it's time for this to happen.

VOTE: McQueen

^You scum bro?

UNVOTE: McQueen
VOTE: KMD

KMD's vote looks opportunistic and Prohawk

is making a good case.

Zab, opportunistic would be

jumping on mcqueen the way you did.

Also, where's prohawk's case? All I. See is his responses to my case on him and a vote.

Its important to note that Zabriel never responded to KMD and just let his vote-park until he was lynched.

Wait.

Jalyn has to be scum unless:
A) all three scum can be found in the mislynch wagons (unlikely)
B) CF is scum who lied about clearing mcqueen (still possible, but it's early enough not to worry about that chance)

unvote, vote jalyn

This analysis?

This was his only post related to KMD before he was lynched.

Anyone want to post an ISO analysis of Mit and Jalyn?

[N]

zabriel and Mitillos have been prodded.

Vote Count 4.03

Mitillos

( 0 )

ProHawk

( 0 )

Bacde

( 0 )

Cheery Dog

( 0 )

zabriel

( 2 ) ProHawk , Human Destroyer

CF Riot

( 0 )

Jalyn

( 0 )

Human Destroyer

( 2 ) Cheery Dog , zabriel

Not voting:

Mitillos , Jalyn , CF Riot , Bacde

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-03-26 06:42:49)

[zabriel]

I'm not sure why I needed to respond to kmd. He was scum and we lynched him.

[zabriel]

Jalyn brought up kmd's "faulty analysis" and when defending himself he seemed to be referring to something differently than what I felt was what Jalyn was clearly referring to. Context is key.

[Mitillos]

@Pro: I believe I made a case on Jalyn yesterday when I voted her. I'm not as committed to it as I was yesterday though, what with her Doc claim. Also, your top two scumreads seem to be zab and HD. If either flips scum, does this change? What about if either flips town?

@CF: Wanting to be right about my alignment doesn't make you right about it. Particularly since your case seems to be based on a single post, which you took to be something other than it was. As an exercise, tell me this: if you ignore your previous read on me, who is scum and why? How exactly do HD's and Pro's alignments change due to Jalyn's claim?

@zab: There was a bit more to Pro's case against you. Is that all the defense you're willing to make?

@Jalyn: I think your vote didn't count because it wasn't on a new line. Do you have a case on Cheery, other than Kmd not attacking him?

[Cheery Dog]

First, his activity has been waning, which is characteristic of early-eager scum turned complacent and tired of keeping up a ruse.

I'm too lazy to look, but given the speed of day 1 compared to what I have seen here, is anyone not actually effected by a waning activity level?
(though 7.5 to <1 is quite major even with that, I may end up agreeing with your case anyway)

[ProHawk]

Thats why I compared posts/day, as compared to total posts.

[zabriel]

My activity is down all across the site. I'm kind of bored of forum mafia. I'm going on hiatus when I finish my current games.

@Mit - That's about as heavy as my defense ever gets. I'm well known for giving no fucks.

[ProHawk]

So do you care to make a formal case as to why you believe HD is scum? Aside from placing a "sheep" vote?

[N]

Human Destroyer has been prodded.

[Human Destroyer]

wat

I just posted here I swear

[ProHawk]

Spread a little thin HD?

[Jalyn]

@Mitillos - Thanks for the heads up and, nope that's pretty much it. It wasn't just a "not attacking" though, it was "I'm going to logically deduce that Jalyn must be scum because she's the only person still alive in the entire game that fits certain criteria" while missing the fact that another person in the game fits the exact same criteria. I seem to remember that there was something about slimer that raised my hackles at one point, but I'll have to go back to see if I can find it.

[Mitillos]

@Jalyn: I'm not really sure how that points to Cheery-scum, rather than kmd just not being thorough. In fact, if Kmd and slimer had been partners, I'd expect kmd to say something like "the only two people who fit these criteria are Jalyn and slimer and we all know slimer is just VI, so by PoE, it must be Jalyn".

[Human Destroyer]

Spread a little thin HD?

Maybe

[Bacde]

sup guys

im thinking about reading the thread :s