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In post 1519, CF Riot wrote:Here's the thing though, if you're scum, then you can make your reads whatever you want them to be to benefit your team. So like, if you thought maybe I should try to keep Kmd alive today, you could change your read on ProHawk to give yourself a reason to vote someone else. Plus you basically just said, "I thought Kmd was scummy, but I also thought ProHawk was scummy, so I voted Mitillos." That doesn't make you look good when Pro and Mit are probtown and Kmd is deadscum.
I said ProHawk/Mitillos/3rd person scumteam
Look at my reads again. I have ProHawk as town Day 2, and like his case against Kmd. Therefore, I sheep it. ProHawk looks considerably scummier with CF Riot and Bacde both being prob-town. Since his most probable scumpartner is Mitillos and Mitillos has the bigger wagon, plus Mitillos is objectively scummier, AND has been a scumread since D1...why WOULDN'T I be on the Mitillos wagon?
Read m0ar
In post 1520, ProHawk wrote:Hey HD, why Zab?
I'll answer that question with a question. WhynotZab? He hasn't exactly been the embodiment of pro-town play, and you'll see his vote on me is actually pretty shitty (although that's a post-vote reason).Are you ready for this?-
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Jalyn Goon
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A) Wish we could cross two more people off the list and have 3 reasonably confirmed, but I'm a N3 doc and protected Bacde last night, figuring he was all but confirmed innocent and an obvious target because of it. (CF isn't confirmed, but it seemed unlikely that he'd fake claim and then point to a scum buddy as innocent.)
B) I'm going to go back to the Kmd post I pointed out yesterday, noting that he very specifically targeted me as the only person that fit the "not in on other lynch" criteria, while conveniently missing that another person fit the exact same criteria.vote:Cheery Dog
I've only skimmed through today and will look at the arguments for HD and zab tomorrow evening, hopefully.-
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In post 1469, Kmd4390 wrote:Even if you believe it (not sure I do personally), you don't think he could have been scum planning to claim N3 doc from that point on?
I don't think kmd was likely bussing Mit there due to this post I voted him on, though it does mean prohawk isn't as confirmed town.Holder of the Longest Continuous Weekly Mafiascum Post Record. 1 July 2012 - 16 Feb 2023
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Bacde Jack of All Trades
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I dunno who I suspect more now. HD scumread made tons of sense when you and Mit were probtown but w/o that it kinda falls off. And I really really thought Mit was scum and I'd like to be right about that so voting him would be more satisfying. But then again after making the case on HD his posts in defense of himself were pretty trash. And then there's Zab/Cheery/Jalyn, none of whom are cleared at this point so. Yeah, it's kinda hard right now. (The game I mean.)-
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Zab-Scum:
There are few points I would like to make as to why I am pretty sure that Zab is scum.
First, his activity has been waning, which is characteristic of early-eager scum turned complacent and tired of keeping up a ruse.
D1 - 69 Posts - approx 7.5 posts/day
D2 - 1 Post - approx <1 post/day
D3 - 8 Posts - approx <1 post/day
D4 - 2 Posts - approx 1 post/day
It is also worthy of note that during day 1 Zabriel went V/LA and has not been V/LA during any of the subsequent days.
Second, his pattern of votes have been placed with little thought or care and his vote on HD is well, OMGUS.
Finally, what I first noted when I voted for Zabriel was his shady interaction with KMD. It pretty much started with this.
In post 796, zabriel wrote:Why KMD over the rest of the lurksacks ProHawk?
I wasn't calling out KMD-scum for lurking by the way, in fact, I never even mentioned anything about lurking. Zab pulled that up all on his own.
After showing Zab my case on KMD, it then escalated into a small "slap-your-wrist" fest with the following exchange.
Spoiler: Scum-Scum Exchange
So after calling me out for calling KMD scum, he then agrees with me, but not enough to pressure KMD with a vote, but begins an awkward back-and-forth with him. "Srsly bro" is an acceptable response to Zab's concern, and "Dunno haven't really read it." is cool with him too. Never once does Zabriel return to address KMD, vote, or even talk about KMD.
Next comes the bus on Day-3.
In post 1365, Kmd4390 wrote:In post 1345, zabriel wrote:I don't think Mitillos is to blame for McQueen deciding to drop the hammer.
I'm getting really tired of McQueen's VI antics. That hammer was terrible, and I think it's time for this to happen.
VOTE: McQueen
^You scum bro?
In post 1380, zabriel wrote:UNVOTE: McQueen
VOTE: KMD
KMD's vote looks opportunistic and Prohawkis making a good case.
In post 1381, Kmd4390 wrote:Zab, opportunistic would bejumping on mcqueen the way you did.Also, where's prohawk's case? All I. See is his responses to my case on him and a vote.
Its important to note that Zabriel never responded to KMD and just let his vote-park until he was lynched.
In post 1463, zabriel wrote:In post 1422, Kmd4390 wrote:Wait.
Jalyn has to be scum unless:
A) all three scum can be found in the mislynch wagons (unlikely)
B) CF is scum who lied about clearing mcqueen (still possible, but it's early enough not to worry about that chance)
unvote, vote jalyn
This analysis?
This was his only post related to KMD before he was lynched.
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I'm not sure why I needed to respond to kmd. He was scum and we lynched him.-
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Jalyn brought up kmd's "faulty analysis" and when defending himself he seemed to be referring to something differently than what I felt was what Jalyn was clearly referring to. Context is key.-
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@Pro: I believe I made a case on Jalyn yesterday when I voted her. I'm not as committed to it as I was yesterday though, what with her Doc claim. Also, your top two scumreads seem to be zab and HD. If either flips scum, does this change? What about if either flips town?
@CF: Wanting to be right about my alignment doesn't make you right about it. Particularly since your case seems to be based on a single post, which you took to be something other than it was. As an exercise, tell me this: if you ignore your previous read on me, who is scum and why? How exactly do HD's and Pro's alignments change due to Jalyn's claim?
@zab: There was a bit more to Pro's case against you. Is that all the defense you're willing to make?
@Jalyn: I think your vote didn't count because it wasn't on a new line. Do you have a case on Cheery, other than Kmd not attacking him?You don't have ambiguity; you haveoptions.-
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In post 1534, ProHawk wrote:First, his activity has been waning, which is characteristic of early-eager scum turned complacent and tired of keeping up a ruse.
I'm too lazy to look, but given the speed of day 1 compared to what I have seen here, is anyone not actually effected by a waning activity level?
(though 7.5 to <1 is quite major even with that, I may end up agreeing with your case anyway)Holder of the Longest Continuous Weekly Mafiascum Post Record. 1 July 2012 - 16 Feb 2023
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My activity is down all across the site. I'm kind of bored of forum mafia. I'm going on hiatus when I finish my current games.
@Mit - That's about as heavy as my defense ever gets. I'm well known for giving no fucks.-
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@Mitillos - Thanks for the heads up and, nope that's pretty much it. It wasn't just a "not attacking" though, it was "I'm going to logically deduce that Jalyn must be scum because she's the only person still alive in the entire game that fits certain criteria" while missing the fact that another person in the game fits the exact same criteria. I seem to remember that there was something about slimer that raised my hackles at one point, but I'll have to go back to see if I can find it.-
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@Jalyn: I'm not really sure how that points to Cheery-scum, rather than kmd just not being thorough. In fact, if Kmd and slimer had been partners, I'd expect kmd to say something like "the only two people who fit these criteria are Jalyn and slimer and we all know slimer is just VI, so by PoE, it must be Jalyn".You don't have ambiguity; you haveoptions.-
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