Diffusion of Power (Open 478) over

[Human Destroyer]

*facepalm*

No

"I don't play to meta" means I purposely (try to) play differently every game so people can't read me based on past games

Not everyone does that, which is why meta tells are viable in some cases

[Disturbed_One]

Also, The Puck's reasoning was certainly bad as for the associative tells, but I'm not quite convinced they're scum because of it. The Puck's last post seemed rather emotionally charged, which I find to be a town-tell.

[fuzzybutternut]

*facepalm*

No

"I don't play to meta" means I purposely (try to) play differently every game so people can't read me based on past games

Not everyone does that, which is why meta tells are viable in some cases

I misunderstood you then.

Anywho, getting to D_O now.

[Human Destroyer]

D_O pls be enlightened by #337

You'll thank me later

[fuzzybutternut]

As far as your other reads, I agree with the OMGUS part. I honestly can't tell if HD and Tiger are town, or scum. I could see scum coming into the game, and talking back and forth like this, constantly, in fact, so much that it takes up pages and pages of what could be actual content.

So far, you haven't liked either of my votes. Tell me then. Who should I vote for Oh mighty Disturbed_One?

[N]

Vote Count 1.5

Disturbed_One

(petroleumjelly)

( 0 )

Mitillos

( 0 )

kmd4390

( 1 ) Mitillos

Siveure DtTrikyp

( 0 )

ProHawk

( 0 )

fuzzybutternut

( 0 )

theslimer3

( 0 )

pirate mollie

( 1 ) kmd4390

Wisdom

( 3 ) theslimer3 , Human Destroyer , pirate mollie

zabriel

( 0 )

tigerzone

( 4 ) ProHawk , Siveure DtTrikyp , The Puck , Disturbed_One 

The Puck

( 2 ) Wisdom , zabriel

Human Destroyer

( 1 ) fuzzybutternut

Not voting:

tigerzone

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-02-28 20:30:20)

[Disturbed_One]

D_O pls be enlightened by #337

You'll thank me later

I read it and don't feel particularly enlightened.

You came off as very frustrated and Wisdom's reaction seems genuine to me. Pure townie frustration can be difficult for scum to pull off, so it's not unreasonable backing off the wagon.

I read your interaction with Wisdom as town-on-town and I stand by that.

Now come wagon Tiger with me, because I actually have reasoning other than his disrespectful behavior towards the player previously in my slot. Look at his defensive nature in his posts and tell me how he isn't scum.

As far as your other reads, I agree with the OMGUS part. I honestly can't tell if HD and Tiger are town, or scum. I could see scum coming into the game, and talking back and forth like this, constantly, in fact, so much that it takes up pages and pages of what could be actual content.

So far, you haven't liked either of my votes. Tell me then. Who should I vote for Oh mighty Disturbed_One?

I guess I can accept that, as much as I dislike your scum-hunting methods, this post does seem genuine.

I won't tell you who to vote for, though if you're looking for approval, I would find a Tiger or Mollie vote much more productive than your current vote.

Do you really find HD using a meta-tell to discern my alignment all that scummy?

[fuzzybutternut]

Given that it was after your first post, where you had done nothing but state your opinions on certain people, yes. Had he waited until later, when you had posted more and scum hunted, I wouldn't have found it scummy at all. There is no way one post can give away alignment. That post read null to me.

[zabriel]

V/LA is starting early. I just dropped my laptop and it got very unlucky in the fall. I am taking it to be serviced tomorrow and will be on the desktop until it is fixed.

[N]

Mollie has asked me if she can replace herself as a hydra with Majiffy. Is this cool with everyone?

(You don't have to respond to this question in thread; PM me if you're going to have a problem and we can all pretend the whole thing never happened.)

In other news, tigerzone is going to be force-replaced and ProHawk is going to stay.

[zabriel]

Well, that's a bit of a silver lining.

[Disturbed_One]

Given that it was after your first post, where you had done nothing but state your opinions on certain people, yes. Had he waited until later, when you had posted more and scum hunted, I wouldn't have found it scummy at all. There is no way one post can give away alignment. That post read null to me.

But he actually played a game with me, is that really such an outlandish call to make? I'll admit, I found his declaration strange at first too, but once he explained it, I didn't have a problem with his reasoning.

I did the same exact thing to read him in this game, I used a previous game I had played with him to make a comparison. He even posted the game he used to make the judgment.


Glad we're seeing tiger replaced.

[fuzzybutternut]

I've come to terms with it, I guess. It's just not something I think is plausible to pull from only one post, but, like I said, we'll see how that plays out later.

It's nice to see tiger replaced though.

[Disturbed_One]

I'm going to stay on tiger for now. I want to hear the replacement's response to my accusations.

[Wisdom]

Well at least we won't have a stupid policy lynch. Let's see who will stay on the tiger wagon now.

[Wisdom]

If you can't read her, then she's just a liability and needs to go. End of story.

I strongly dislike this. What, are you proposing a policy lynch on mollie now? Who said that nobody can read her?

[theslimer3]

Aright kids I'll catch up some time tomorrow. I've read pages 1-6 and it's bed time.

I'm not going to apologize for the anti town start, but there seems to be only three or four people here talking and I'll be damned if they're all town

[theslimer3]

Scum*

God dammit no One's going to let me live that down, will they?

[fuzzybutternut]

Shit happens slime.

[ProHawk]

Time to get back up to speed.

UNVOTE:

I still find Mollie's beginning play suspect despite the defenses which haven't really touched the surface of the accusations in my opinion. However, I am sure with a Majiffy head things should get a whole lot more clear. /sarcasm

Here are a few things I found on my re-read.

Right now we should be lynching mollie and Wisdom, so the fact that we aren't doing it is bad

Add "wants to lynch two townies" in my reason for being on your wagon

HD picked up on this, while it may have been a slip, more telling is the fact that he (Wisdom) hasn't been particularly vocal about being so sure that Mollie is town, especially not enough to make it a reason to lynch HD for. I have seen way too many "Thats not my intention" and "null" words pointed in her direction.

Also not liking the quick jab at HD during their argument.

On the other hand, scum will be lazy because they don't actually need the proof.

This was an off-hand remark to paint HD as scummy, also one which I somewhat disagree with. While its true scum don't need proof for themselves, they absolutely need proof to back-up their claims otherwise fake-scum-hunting becomes transparent

very

quickly. While not all scum will play the same, the good ones will put a lot of work into their game. It definitely takes a lot more work to play scum well than it does as town.

And lastly, this comes after getting his third vote from Mollie.

What I know is that there are at least 3 people (Siveure, kmd and The Puck) who have barely posted anything useful so far. For all we know we could all be town fighting each other while they lurk.

Sounds like a deflection of attention to me.

VOTE: Wisdom

Random Comments:

Not yet. I don't wanna ruin my no NK streak.

Maybe you should bribe the Mod to let you be scum in every game. Problem Solved.

[Wisdom]

Nope, it sounds like I realise HD is most likely tunneling town and we should focus on hunting actual scum instead of fighting each other.

And regarding the proof statement, you took it out of context. I didn't say scum generally don't need proof - I said that scum wouldn't care to search if mollie acts like this or not because they already know her alignment and aren't interested in scumhunting.

[ProHawk]

What you said and what you meant to say are two different things.

If they knew they wouldn't find anything to be able to falsely incriminate her, that's one thing, but if they could find something to help their cause, at least I know as scum I would be all over it.

Would you like to comment on you calling Mollie town with a null-read?

[pirate mollie]

@ prohawk

erm, what do you mean you find my early play suspect? you were all whiney about tiger, I don't remember you thinking that I was necessarily super suspect.

also

fos

kmd

get your ass in here at stop being so lurkey. you are not getting your hands dirty and that isn't like you

I am still waiting for N to say if majiffy and I can do a hydra it will be awesomely funny cos we rarely agree and we fight like hell

[Wisdom]

What you said and what you meant to say are two different things.

If they knew they wouldn't find anything to be able to falsely incriminate her, that's one thing, but if they could find something to help their cause, at least I know as scum I would be all over it.

Would you like to comment on you calling Mollie town with a null-read?

What I meant to say is exactly what I said. Town will study the meta to look for the proof they requested while scum simply don't care to look for the proof because they didn't need the proof in the first place. Some scum might try to argue that the proof given are not enough, other scum might ignore the meta completely - the point is that town are the ones that have scumhunting intents and should be guaranteed to study the meta.

I have already commented on why I called Mollie town there - I felt HD was scum trying to push her lynch and mine - which would make both of us town. Other than that, I don't have a townread on mollie.

[N]

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