Diffusion of Power (Open 478) over

[Wisdom]

Yeah but mollie hasn't done anything scummy - while I have "slipped", which should surely be scummier. Shouldn't you vote me?

[Human Destroyer]

Yes.

I'm pretty sure she's going to flip scum though so it won't matter


P-Edit: ProHawk's case is actually very good. Your whole meta case without any attempt at proving it is inherently bullshit because the things mollie's doing are legitimate scum tells.

[Wisdom]

You got a game where mollie did similar things and I can give you another.
Now if you're lazy to go through it it's your own problem.

[Human Destroyer]

No

Burden of proof is on you

You need to show me where

specifically

she does these scummy things as town

[pirate mollie]

Your case on me still sucks, my wagon is shitty, and everyone currently on it should get the fuck off

THE CASES OF MY WAGON:

tigerzone - OMGUS
Wisdom - tigerzone is an "easy lynch", so my pushing of him is scummy.
fuzzy - Stating a town read based on one post is scummy.

Tell me where my super devious scum motivation for doing things is, and maybe I'll come back and write up a wall proving why you're wrong

Right now we should be lynching mollie and Wisdom, so the fact that we aren't doing it is bad

P-Edit: @Mitillos I got stronger scumreads from mollie and Wisdom. I also might have been tunneling...a little...

let me explain something to you hd, something you should already know

I will move my vote when I am freaking good and ready and not a moment before which tbh I am pretty sure this has come up in at least 1 game that we have been in. I am not trying to be sticky with my vote but prohawk's policy lynch does give me pause cos it does not seem like him to compromise his team in order to get rid of anti-town play but in some ways it fits in with his whole boyscout meta and I am questioning him and pushing on him in order to get a stronger grasp of the nuances of his thought processes in order to shake out a stronger read. and to shake out scum.

that you are missing this is epic fail on your part

if this has come up in any games we have played together and you are deliberately misconstruing this shit then you are toast. I am going to look at the cult game we played in.

wisdom is a meta player who

actually does his research

even though he can be wrong sometimes and the game that fuzzy and I were in, scum came at me with the exact same dumb argument you are providing now.

[pirate mollie]

No

Burden of proof is on you

You need to show me where

specifically

she does these scummy things as town

fuck this shit

VOTE: hd

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: prohawk

this is a serious vote, lol

cue for wisdom to trolleytrack on me all game

in other news I just recently learned that N is a guy, I thought he was a girl all of this time and made up this sisterly love bonding in my head for like months now so I will probably be trolling him cos he can't ignore my posts. it will be like a car accident that he can't resist rubbernecking and it will probably be the best central park game ever.

hey wisdom do you want to lynch hd?

cos I am thinking I do!

stop it about ongoing games

don't make N do something, it is hard for him

liking wisdom for town

fuzzy jesus christ can you possibly look any scummier, but I happen to know that you can

I am good for my hd vote for now

You pretty clearly support it.

Notably, with no reasoning or anything.

You make no mention of ProHawk until your "You really are scum, aren't you?" comment, then never talk about him again until prodded to

Get lynched

[Wisdom]

No

Burden of proof is on you

You need to show me where

specifically

she does these scummy things as town

No, I don't. If you're town and have interest in scumhunting, do the research yourself.

[Human Destroyer]

No

Burden of proof is on you

You need to show me where

specifically

she does these scummy things as town

fuck this shit

VOTE: hd

TOOK YOU FUCKING LONG ENOUGH GOD

[pirate mollie]

it isn't like your a alien to my play. both wisdom and fuzzy have been less exposed to my meta than you not to mention prohawk

^@ hd

[Human Destroyer]

No

Burden of proof is on you

You need to show me where

specifically

she does these scummy things as town

No, I don't. If you're town and have interest in scumhunting, do the research yourself.

Incorrect.

When someone makes a claim, they're the ones that have to prove it.

I.E. you.

I'm not interested in reading it because I simply don't have the time nor energy. Therefore, you have work to do.

[Wisdom]

I have no work to do - it's your job as a townie to meta the others. I have done my research and can tell when someone plays to their meta - you should do yours. Even providing a game is too much, you should normally find it on your own.

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Wisdom

Mollie if Wisdom is actually WKing you I apologize for attacking you

If you're scum I don't apologize

But yeah he's pretty much scum

You probably are too though so don't get your hopes up

I mean seriously, his outright refusal to actually prove his claim with specific examples from the games he's citing, his fencesitting on mollie...it's just so fucking scummy.

P-Edit: Have I not made myself fucking clear enough?

You

have made a claim.

You

have to prove it.

I

should not have to prove or disprove your claim until after you prove it.
That is how burden of proof works.

[Wisdom]

False.

x person accuses mollie of y action.
I know y action is null for mollie, and point it out.
x person has to research and determine if that's true and act accordingly.

That's how it works. I have no obligation to do anyone's homework because they're lazy.

[pirate mollie]

Yes.

I'm pretty sure she's going to flip scum though so it won't matter


P-Edit: ProHawk's case is actually very good. Your whole meta case without any attempt at proving it is inherently bullshit

because the things mollie's doing are legitimate scum tells

.

list the scumtells

the ones you provided earlier are bs cos they are not alignment based they player style based. hth

maybe you should try to figure out wtf scumtells actually are before tossing that term around haphazardly.

[Human Destroyer]

THAT'S NOT HOW BURDEN OF PROOF FUCKING WORKS

YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOUR OWN FUCKING CLAIMS

I DID NOT MAKE ANY CLAIM ABOUT MOLLIE'S META, THEREFORE I HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE

YOU HAVE IT PRETTY MUCH COMPLETELY BACKWARDS

JESUS CHRIST

P-Edit:

-Avoiding major arguments between town (assuming it was town v. town) is scummy because it's a way to keep attention away from you.
-If it actually was a town v. town argument, stoking the fires distracts people from your scumminess.
-Hesitance in voting because you aren't sure how it will make you look and you want to think about it from a tactical angle; town don't need tactics, they need to find scum.

[Wisdom]

The proof is all there in the two games that were linked - you're just lazy to find it.

[Human Destroyer]

Linking me to a game=/=showing me proof that mollie performs these scummy actions as town

You have to actually show the specific places where she did that

Otherwise I'm forced to believe you're pulling things out of your ass

[Wisdom]

Nope, linking is enough.

Your scumhunting nature as town makes you interested to look through that game and look for proof.
On the other hand, scum will be lazy because they don't actually need the proof.

[Human Destroyer]

MY FUCKING GOD YOU AREN'T LISTENING

I DIDN'T MAKE A CLAIM, THEREFORE I HAVE NO REASON TO GO PROVE IT FOR YOU. YOU MADE A CLAIM, SO YOU HAVE EVERY FUCKING REASON TO GO PROVE IT.

SO STOP BEING ALL SELF-RIGHTEOUS WITH YOUR "OMG ANYONE WHO DOESN'T LOOK THROUGH THE GAMES I LINKED MUST BE SCUM" BECAUSE GUESS WHAT: I DON'T REALLY FUCKING CARE.

MOLLIE HAS BEEN ACTING GODDAMN SCUMMY, AND YOU'VE BEEN ATTEMPTING TO DISINTEGRATE IT WITH BULLSHIT META TELLS THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE REAL.

THIS IS A WHOLE CROCK OF BULLSHIT BEING USED BY THE SCUMTEAM TO PAINT ME AS SCUMMY.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, I'M DONE WITH IT.

[Wisdom]

Don't be mad, bro.

I felt the need to point out that those accusations were bullshit. I had no obligation to prove why, especially to people who have played with mollie before. If someone asked me to provide a game, I would. And I did. But what you're asking is too much - I won't go that far only to show you that my "claim" wasn't something I pulled out of my ass. It's there, and you can find it.

[Human Destroyer]

My point is that the accusations are not bullshit.

They are viable scumtells that work in finding scum.

But you're too busy being scum to care and you're pushing on me for the shitty reasoning that I was pushing a supposedly easy lynch and that I won't go read a game when I'm busy playing in about 10 other games and have real life to take care of.

Even if you're town, you're far too blinded by meta for your reads to be anywhere near good.

[Wisdom]

Yeah, but I didn't give any reads due to meta, did I? I simply rejected the scumtells regarding mollie and slimer, because they're based on playstyle and are null for them.

[zabriel]

Welcome to debate club. Seriously right now.

VOTE: HD

Quit being a lazy ass.

[Mitillos]

@Wisdom: I've gone through mollie's ISO in Micro 99, but I'm not sure I see where she behaves the way you say. She seems to be fairly active in the discussions. She doesn't seem to have called anyone solidly scum and not moved her vote on them.
Newbie 1309, which butter linked seems to be much more like her actions in this game, though. Here's the problem though. She was specifically attacked the same way in that game. She has said as much herself, here. She knows that that's part of her meta and that she can use it. I'm not sure that her town-meta is an adequate defense. Can it be clearly shown that she does not do the same as scum?