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[mykonian]

that's good to know :/

What is good enough on it's own?

[chamber]

As a vanilla? 3/3 really, MAYBE a 3/2. 2/2s and 2/1s and 3/1s with the right abilities are fine. Evasion<Haste<Utility, generally. Utility obviously has less value in hard aggro decks.

[Sudo_Nym]

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... o-7-drops/

Holy shit I want to try this.

As much as I like TWoo, I think this deck is just a bad version of the junk reanimator deck that was popular right after return came out. How exactly is red better than thragtusk/mulch/trackers instincts/mana dorks/craterhoof?

I don't think it is.

Guild Feud is a neat way of getting past Rest in Peace, but I'm not convinced that it's actually better. Giving my opponent free stuff isn't something that pleases me in a card.

[Fate]

A 2 mana 2/2 isn't even close to being good enough on its own.

It's significantly better than mayor for my deck though, and I'm surprised boo one mentioned it

ESPECIALLY better than Mayors and hell raisers together

[mykonian]

I'm slightly confused, how is this better then major? It's +1/+1 isn't as conditional.

[Sudo_Nym]

Yeah, but Mayor risks flipping, thus turning off the bonus!

[Fate]

Mayor can be flipped and if I have to attack with him because of the Hellraiser hell so easily get killed. I found I usually can't act Maher but this guy well he has to attack to the ability is a 22 value bear himself.

also having to these out on the field ads 233 attackers as opposed to 2 mayors

[Thestatusquo]

Is it even necessary for me to chime in here and mention that the power level disparity between mayor and hamlet is so big that I am shocked that I have even, just now, uttered them in the same sentence?

[Thestatusquo]

Also, on a completely different line of discussion, I am pleased with the revisions to the trigger rules.

[Thestatusquo]

Also, heres an example of what chamber is talking about re: vanilla. Loxodon Smiter is a 4/4 for 3 with a not completely irrelevant ability. It doesn't see really all that much play. Deadbridge Goliath is a 5/5 for 4 with an ok ability that sees literally no play at all. 2/2 for 2 just is not good enough.

[mykonian]

Also, on a completely different line of discussion, I am pleased with the revisions to the trigger rules.

what happened to them? I fear I'm not exactly up to date with mtg news.

[Sudo_Nym]

That's a piece of the disparity that's hard to learn, though. Loxodon Smiter is a 4/4 for 3 that sees no play. Dreg Mangler is a 3/3 haste for 3 that does see play. Why Haste is worth that extra point isn't immediately obvious. Of coiurse, in this case, there's also the fact that the deck that would want Smiter has several better options, and the deck that wants Mangler doesn't.

[Sudo_Nym]

Also, on a completely different line of discussion, I am pleased with the revisions to the trigger rules.

what happened to them? I fear I'm not exactly up to date with mtg news.

Depending on the tournament, triggers need to be declared with various strictness- so if you forget to declare Exalted, you just don't get that boost, and you aren't allowed to back up and redo. Same if you forget to put Rancor back in your hand. At FNMs, you're generally allowed to go back and redo a trigger, if it doesn't otherwise affect the game state, if you catch it before your next turn; in higher level tourneys, you just miss out.

This means that even if an ability doesn't say "may", you can forget that it triggers, and you're just SOL. The caveat is that the opponent is allowed to remind you, if the ability is a detrimental one.

[Thestatusquo]

Nope. That is in fact exactly what they just changed away. A trigger only becomes missed at the point a player is forced to make a decision. That means if you attack with exalted triggers and they block forgetting about the triggers, they still happen.

[bv310]

Yeah, it's a nice intuitive change. I approve.

[Fate]

Is it even necessary for me to chime in here and mention that the power level disparity between mayor and hamlet is so big that I am shocked that I have even, just now, uttered them in the same sentence?

What?

The difference is huge for my deck and what its trying toaccomplish., one power is huge. Not dying to static tocasters is huge.being able to play hell raisers and have mayor not die to augue of bolas is huge.

Obviously its not DA BEST FUCKING 2 DROP S NA MUST GET

But it means a lot for the deck im trying to build and its cards like these i POSTED asking foe

[Fate]

For advice fo I KNOW what sees play already and the meta

What I DONT know are unsung niche cards from a set I didn't play that would be good in my deck

I don't see why this concept is hard to grasp

[Fate]

HOWEVER if I were to take out the gimmickiness I think my deck would look like this:

Spoiler: Casual Mode

Creatures (30):
4 Experiment One
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
2 Goblin Hellraisers
3 Rubblebelt Raiders
3 Ghor-Clan Rampager
4 Lightning Mauler
4 Legion Loyalist
3 Hamlet Captain
3 Wild Beastmaster

Instants (6):
3 Pit Fight
1 Gruul Charm
2 Ranger's Guile

Planeswalkers (2):
2 Domri Rade

Lands (22):
4 Stomping Ground
4 Rootbound Crag
7 Mountain
7 Forest

//Sideboard
SB: 2 Ranger's Guile
SB: 3 Searing Spear
SB: 3 Ground Assaults
SB: 2 Clan Defiance
SB: 1 Pit Fight
SB: 2 Wolfir Silverheart

Spoiler: More competitive FNM style

Creatures (28):
4 Experiment One
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Flinthoof Boars
3 Hellriders
4 Ghor-Clan Rampager
4 Lightning Mauler
4 Legion Loyalist

Instants (7):
3 Pit Fight
1 Gruul Charm
3 Searing Spear

Planeswalkers (2):
2 Domri Rade

Lands (22):
4 Stomping Ground
4 Rootbound Crag
7 Mountain
7 Forest

//Sideboard
SB: 3 Skullcracks
SB: 3 Ground Assaults
SB: 2 Clan Defiance
SB: 2 Wolfir Silverheart
SB: 3 Wolfir Avengers
SB: 2 Lands

[AGar]

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... o-7-drops/

Holy shit I want to try this.

As much as I like TWoo, I think this deck is just a bad version of the junk reanimator deck that was popular right after return came out. How exactly is red better than thragtusk/mulch/trackers instincts/mana dorks/craterhoof?

I don't think it is.

I really just like the concept of "LOL7DROPS." more than anything. I'm not saying it's a great deck, definitely looks to have its holes, it just looks fun to me.

[Sudo_Nym]

Nope. That is in fact exactly what they just changed away. A trigger only becomes missed at the point a player is forced to make a decision. That means if you attack with exalted triggers and they block forgetting about the triggers, they still happen.

Well, then I've been completely misplaying it. We've been playing that a trigger becomes missed when you pass priority after the trigger should have happened.

[Sudo_Nym]

@Fate: Ash Zealot, Gore-House Chainwalker, Rakdos Shredfreak are all better for human gruul aggro deck than Hamlet Captain. And Ulvenwald Tracker is human removal on a stick.

[Shanba]

Fate, I would seriously consider cutting the wild beastmasters. Without pump spells or effects for it's just a mediocre 1/1 for 3 - it'll give your guys like, no noticeable effect at all. Hamlet captain and ranger's guile, quite apart from the fact that you probably want to be saving the latter to use as a pseudo-counterspell most of the time, also don't amplify it very much, and that just leaves ghor-clan rampager. Which is obviously a powerful interaction, but I'm not sure it's worth having in your deck. Also super awkward that it never evolves experiment 1.

The second awkward thing is that all your dudes are small, and you have pit fight. I'll be blunt here, most of the time pit fight just wont clear dudes out of the way like you want it to. Searing spear is 3 damage, which is about the high end for your pit fight damage - yes in some dreamworld you might have a 6/6 rubblebelt raider and get to eat a thragtusk, but I think it's more likely that you're stuck with a 2/2 against an augur of bolas or something and pit fight is just dead in your hand where searing spear is not.

If you can pick up rancors, do that cause that card is sweet and awesome and the best thing. Plus if you make any other green beatdown decks rancors go in that as well.

[chamber]

Nope. That is in fact exactly what they just changed away. A trigger only becomes missed at the point a player is forced to make a decision. That means if you attack with exalted triggers and they block forgetting about the triggers, they still happen.

Well, then I've been completely misplaying it. We've been playing that a trigger becomes missed when you pass priority after the trigger should have happened.

That was the proper way to play it until this update. Of course it was also only for professional/competative REL not FNM/prereleases/casual.

[Sudo_Nym]

Wild Beastmaster seems like it would be sweet with Bloodrush, but you've got to be careful with the timing.

Nope. That is in fact exactly what they just changed away. A trigger only becomes missed at the point a player is forced to make a decision. That means if you attack with exalted triggers and they block forgetting about the triggers, they still happen.

Well, then I've been completely misplaying it. We've been playing that a trigger becomes missed when you pass priority after the trigger should have happened.

That was the proper way to play it until this update. Of course it was also only for professional/competative REL not FNM/prereleases/casual.

Right, but I've also been playing with the update that mandatory abilities can be missed like that, too. So it's been a crazy mishmash.

Hell, I mostly play on MTGO anyway, which doesn't allow you to miss triggers in any event.

[Thestatusquo]

Yep. Like 95% of rules issues would be eliminated if real world just worked like mtgo. Unfortunately, that's an unrealistic expectation. XD

Also, fate, this is you: "DON'T TRY TO MAKE MY DECK GOOD TELL ME ABOUT CARDS THAT AREN'T AS GOOD AS THE ONES THAT YOU COULD SUGGEST BECAUSE I THINK I AM A UNIQUE AND SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE"