In post 1674, zabriel wrote:Hi PV. I've been playing a lot of STO and not checking MS as often. I actually kind of buy AP's explanation for UN's Vifam case. The IaI wagon is comfortable though. I'd rather finish it than have it be something that keeps coming up.
PEdit: Seriously JS?
In post 1702, mozamis wrote:In post 1697, UberNinja wrote:I'm gonna go with laziness begets lazy wagons, and I still don't get a good feel about it
His ISO notwithstanding
To me, it seems you're more interested in going after one of the "big guns" just to make the game more interesting. "Wouldn't it be amazing if I caught Majiffy/Mollie/Mattp/Vifam, what a great scum catch that would be!". And you're right, if ANY of those players are scum, I'd be amazed, and you could give yourself a huge pat on the back. But just look at what's much more likely, that they are all town, and scum are doing what they do best, which is lurk/semi lurk and let town tear themselves apart. Let's get rid of the obvious scum first -e.g Jacob -and if the big shots are still around later on, then you can do your Sherlock Holmes bit, and we can all say "Wonderful, Uber, amazing play!".
In post 1702, mozamis wrote:But yeah, lets catch someone who actually might be scum first.
In post 1702, mozamis wrote:And "His ISO notwithstanding"??? How else do you catch scum without looking at what they have actually said?!. Jacob's post about voting UA because "people had jumped off his wagon" (like that hadn't happened to Mhork and pretty much EVERY other wagon Day 1) was laughable, and should get him lynched. And you should be lynching him.
In post 1706, borkjerfkin wrote:Honestly if he doesnt die today Im the fuck out of this game. Not doing this shit again.
In post 1707, Majiffy wrote:In post 1703, AngryPidgeon wrote:Side note: I cant think of anything melodramatic enough to do if we lynch Uber today and he flips town. But seriously, we aren't lynching Uber ever.
Please provide legitimate reasons for your town-tunnel because I'm not seeing any town out of UN whatsoever.
In post 1717, borkjerfkin wrote:Also explain to me how UN fucking deflecting everything I say with ad hominem is fucking town
In post 1723, borkjerfkin wrote:UN wrote:
Vifam is an alright choice, but if we're playing to win here, Majiffy should die, because his reads make no fucking sense and also because of his epic push to get Underachivers lynched on Day 1 even though it was obvious as fuck that they were town, and even MORE so in hindsight?
Are you fucking serious you were practically calling them scum with mollie
In post 1725, AngryPidgeon wrote:In post 1674, zabriel wrote:Hi PV. I've been playing a lot of STO and not checking MS as often. I actually kind of buy AP's explanation for UN's Vifam case. The IaI wagon is comfortable though. I'd rather finish it than have it be something that keeps coming up.
PEdit: Seriously JS?
This is the single scummiest post all game.
In post 1665, penguin_alien wrote:pirate mollie's last post is the towniest she's sounded this game to me, although she was more indeterminate than scum to me before.
I find it weird that UberNinja would seem to object to a derp-lynch at this stage rather than on the 'final day' as he outlines in #1642. Shouldn't it be the other way around? If he means 'final day' as in LyLo, isn't that the last time you want to policy lynch?
UberNinja, can you cite any games where scum-Vifam was unusually grammatically correct in contrast to haphazard typing as town-Vifam?
Still waiting for JacobSavage to express an opinion that isn't sheeping. And I for one didn't interpret the chkflip-loss of time penalty as a town indicator; maybe I'm naive, but I figured that a time crunch might be detrimental to scum in that they'd be more likely to slip in making cases under increased time pressure and/or fail to whittle our numbers via lynching with shorter time frames to work with. A moot point now, but given that Maestro didn't seem to react immediately implied that he'd thought through the ramifications of his penalty choice.
In post 821, UberNinja wrote:In post 576, TheUnderachivers wrote:[quote="In post 574, Aj The Epic wrote:IAI's and Hero's same read on Mollie means that a read on them should be the same?
no but both Hero and IAI have some similar talking points.
+Mollie does look pretty scummy]Mollie: Why are you not voting your scum reads?[/b]
quite a good thing to ask.
this is a townie thing to do
In post 1170, UberNinja wrote:More people need to ignore the current I_Am_Innocent and TheUnderachivers wagons and vote for pirate mollie.
In post 1296, UberNinja wrote:In post 1246, TheUnderachivers wrote:Yo, UN, you scum?
You're dancing around our lynch, calling us scummy but not actually firmly saying we're scum.
Which, if my memory isn't betraying me (it is overly fond of stabbing me in the back), was something you were rather fond of doing as scum in 1377.
Nope. And I'm not dancing around your lynch; I'm pushing a better one.
Uhhhhh, 1377? you mean 1379?
Don't ask me why Matt changed it.
In post 1298, UberNinja wrote:In post 1280, TheUnderachivers wrote:Not as definite as I'd prefer, but probably the strongest of those I've done an iso for.
I actually read you and Nero very differently this game. Those posts which I can tell are yours, seem very town.
Some of Nero's posts seem town as well, but the argument with Vifam just didn't feel so great.
In post 1301, UberNinja wrote:After thinking not-so long and hard about it, I am ultimately against a Nero/mastin lynch today. I think that though they have said some scummy things, there are much better people to lynch, like mollie.
And when I was scum last time against mastin, I was shitting bricks because he had things all nailed down, and I had to pull mountains of shit out of my ass and shove it down people's throats in order to get them to lynch him instead of me.
I want him around, because he sees right through all that shit. And if what he's saying about Nero is true (I personally do not have much experience, but mastin holds him in pretty high regard), then they are definitely worth keeping around, even on the off-chance they're town.
Not to mention, I don't get an entirely good feeling from UA wagon. I feel there are only 3 people with a reason to be there, AJ, Vifam, and to an extent Majiffy. Everyone else is just along for the ride, and it doesn't "feel" like a good wagon should feel, to me.
- Aj the Epic ("VOTE: TheUnderachivers I've got me a scum read. And I definitely am picking up town-vifam reads as well." this vote feels good)
- Vifam (his vote's at least consistent with what he's been saying so far)
- Herobrine (it's herobrine, obviously this is a suspect vote)
- borkjerfkin (absolutely no reasons for his vote in post 1062. he votes UA and then talks about something else for the rest of his post)
- zabriel (suspect vote: "If there's a Vig or something of the like around, we might just be better off hitting Achivers and letting IaI get bumped off tonight possibly. vote: UA" <-- what the fuck is that shit)
- Majiffy ("Stop fucking dismantling the strongest wagon and get the fuck back on UA." feels good, I have no problem with his vote here, even though I think it is possible misplaced, there's nothing wrong with the vote itself)
- chkflip (said he was going to vote with MattP, but abandoned the IAI wagon as soon as it seemed the UA wagon had more steam. Also, his position on wagons, 2nd on Mhork, 6th on UA, doesn't feel good to me either. I trust 1st, 3rd, sometimes 4th, L-1, and hammer votes on a wagon the most. That's a lot of spots, and he still hasn't hit them)
And I don't like the situation of a few people off the wagon either for that matter:
- MattP (pushed like hell for a Lord Mhork wagon, pushed like hell for an IAI wagon... then sat on it while the UA wagon built. now, where is he?)
- Bitmap and TheRev are on 1-person wagons which are going nowhere. That's never the town thing to be doing. Wagon, motherfuckers.
I suppose the person(s) I need to read up on the most are JacobSavage and Lord Mhork. Mhork's iffy comment in 282 notwithstanding, nothing else has really jumped out at me, either positively or negatively. And Jacob is a bit of a blind spot. So is Peregrine for that matter.
And mollie still needs to die.
Fucking laughable.bork wrote:I got no impression that you thought that [UA was town] from your ISO at any point.
In post 1237, UberNinja wrote:In post 1190, borkjerfkin wrote:In post 1176, TheUnderachivers wrote:In post 1170, UberNinja wrote:More people need to ignore the current I_Am_Innocent and TheUnderachivers wagons and vote for pirate mollie.
Swtich Mollie with JS and this post is gold. JS is scum and everyone avoiding JS is suspect.
Yep this is how mafia works.
In other news I like how UN's wall has underacheeevers (the lead wagon) "going way up on his scumdar" but totally wants everyone to ignore it in favor of mollie.
it makes sense if you pay attention to how scummy mollie is on a wholistic level compared to underacheeeevers one or two dodgy posts in that exchange with vifam
really, it does
good job trying to casually push blame on me though.
In post 1740, Vifam wrote:UberNinja really is an asshole
