NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

[mozamis]

I was saying YOUR response was nervous, not hers.

Well, I wasn't as I said in my above post. Puzzled yes, but nervous no.

[Om of the Nom]

btw i might just UNVOTE: until i finish my read through so yeah
also done for the night

[I Am Innocent]

Re Nero post 165 "We are killing Bitmap today. Make it so. vote:Bitmap" What, no love for me???

Ah Jacob, funny guy (post 173) "It turns out vote by PMing the Mod fyi." How bout contributing to the game pal?

Lol at Boner, post 219 "I have those and chkflip, and I am innocent was but I'm becoming iffy on that after a reread. He just seems so damn innocent" It was the girl scout cookie comment, wasn't it?

Lord's 282 was bad. And that is an understatement.

Boner is town, no way do scum

have

post 8 town (town town) reads by post 315

Lol at mollie for giving moz a town read in 327.

@mollie, re 333 "moziperson is obvconftown and has no idea how to act. also wagon speed. and look who was on it" how was moz acting, and who on the wagon are you referring too? (I see in 335 u list penguin and hero as scum, yet hero has not voted for mozi....so one scummy person on the wagon makes you think mozi is town?) Also, just noticed the speed of the wagon is 4 votes at this time, lol...

Noting Moz's same questions to mollie in 385. Not sure what this means yet.

Followed by a terrible vote in 387 by moz for penguin

Majiffy and Hero's followup posts to maz are right along with my thinking. town points

@Moz, what specifically about PV's and Rob's case on penguin looked good to you?

Om's 424 is bad too. Wouldn't you know he is joking?

@Vifam, what about moz's 399 did you specifically like?

If Moz flips scum, I would look at mollie (see above) and vifam (see 471 & 472).

@mollie, you say you like moz's questioning of your read, but that was AFTER you gave him a conftown read. What happened before that which made you give him that read. Also, you say ""act" as in behave not pretend." Does that mean that moz needs to behave, and not pretend, since earlier you said moz "has no idea how to act"

@moz's post 540, there is an ongoing game that I (and majiffy and PV and AJtheE) cannot talk about, but let's just say it would make sense if someone had fake vigged a claim in there which outted a real town vig in that one...all hypothetical of course. In other words, I could see why AJ would be concerned.

People I wouldn't mind seeing lynched today: Mollie, Moz, Om, Lord, Jacob, probably in that order

unvote Jacob
vote pirate mollie

[Om of the Nom]

Om's 424 is bad too. Wouldn't you know he is joking? :?

Well either he was joking, he was gambiting or he was lying scum.

[Boating Police]

So BonerPolice fake claimed day cop to get a reaction out of Om? Talent.

Fake claiming day vig is really stupid

Why is that stupid but fakeclaiming daycop isn't?

[Boating Police]

Town:
-MattP
-Vifam
-Reverend
-I am Innocent
-Zabriel
-Penguin_alien
-Om
-Bitmap

Probtown
-Majiffy
-Borkjerfan
-Pirate Mollie

Null
-Uberninja
-chkflip
-theunderarchivers (Nero and Mastin2)
-Josh Lyman (where the fuck is this guy)
-Aj the epic

Probscum
-PeregrineV
-JacobSavage
-Mozamis
-Herobrine

These go also in order from most town to most scum. I feel pretty confident about them.

[Boating Police]

Town:
-MattP
-Vifam
-Reverend
-I am Innocent
-Zabriel
-Penguin_alien
-Om
-Bitmap

Probtown
-Majiffy
-Borkjerfan
-Pirate Mollie

Null
-Uberninja
-chkflip
-theunderarchivers (Nero and Mastin2)
-Josh Lyman (where the fuck is this guy)
-Aj the epic

Probscum
-PeregrineV
-JacobSavage
-Mozamis
-Herobrine
-Lord Mhork

Forgot the Lord

[Boating Police]

*Raises glasses*

I strongly suggest a Mhork lynch. Let it be said.

[Boating Police]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4673048

This is a terrible case that you completely manipulated to make Pirate Mollie look back. I dout you believe your case, Hero, and I can only see scum intent for trying to rationalize a relational tell between Pirate Mollie and Mozamis like that. It's so incredibly convoluted that it is outright ridiculous.

Mhork is being lynched today. I would also appreciate not seeing JacobSavage around when tomorrow starts. We can worry about Mozamis and Hero in day phase since they bleed scum so hard.

[Aj The Epic]

So BonerPolice fake claimed day cop to get a reaction out of Om? Talent.

Fake claiming day vig is really stupid

Why is that stupid but fakeclaiming daycop isn't?

You're first, you're the one drawing a reaction there. Afterward, there is no reason to fake claim dayvig (especially when someone listed that by Bitmap doing that, it gained him hypothetical town points). By fake dayvigging, I feel that it's useless and suspicious because the objective was completed by the fakeclaim day cop. Also, think about it: If Om happens to be one of the roles, the first thing he'll do is counterclaim. So, by adding more roles to the pressure case against him, more likely he'll counter claim. In a way, it's a role fish.

[Boating Police]

You're first, you're the one drawing a reaction there. Afterward, there is no reason to fake claim dayvig (especially when someone listed that by Bitmap doing that, it gained him hypothetical town points). By fake dayvigging, I feel that it's useless and suspicious because the objective was completed by the fakeclaim day cop. Also, think about it: If Om happens to be one of the roles, the first thing he'll do is counterclaim. So, by adding more roles to the pressure case against him, more likely he'll counter claim. In a way, it's a role fish.

Seems legit. You were probtown besides that

You should vote Mhork. If you need a case I can draft one up but his ISO is scummy as fuck

[TheReverend]

I don't know what your problem is, but it's annoying and unhelpful to town.

mozamis, meet majiffy.

He was in my first game at this site. He annoyed me to fuck, we argued like shit and I lynched him at lylo to cost the town the win. This game I joined just because he's in. He's actually fucking funny. But I can see where you're coming from here. He takes time to warm to.

Anyway, I so far I like Mollie and Moz for scum. Am I still on bitmap? UNVOTE:

I'll hold my vote though until I've read through thoroughly. Still a busy weekend for me.

[mozamis]

"Am I still on this FECKING ISLAND!" saw that one the other night, still cracks me up.
Yes, this is an irrelevant fluff post. Enjoy it Majiffy.
And cheers for the Majiffy advice.

[Vifam]

I thought Chkflip was one of your townreads MattP

[mozamis]

His post 374 I just agreed with most of what he said. Penguin testing the waters, throwing out suspicions etc
Although tbh, I can barely remember Penguin posting now, so I wouldn't say he was "definite" scum. As good as anyone at this stage though. Plus he's lurking, and likely that one of the lurkers is scum.

[pirate mollie]

First, let's look at mollie's scum meta. In a recent game we played together, she replaced into a scum-team with me. One of the first things she said in the scum QT was her feelings on listing your read on a partner. She said the following:

awww, fuck it, rob

next time you make a list of your reads keep in mind that scum almost always puts their scummates in the middle of their list, lol,

listing is a tool to catch scum

. they also almost always list their teammmates as null unless they are trying to get them lynched or they are confident in their skillz

.

So mollie is extremely likely to list her partner as town/scum instead of null even when it doesn't make total sense to do so because she considers it an associative tell. This could potentially lead to her sounding forced when composing reads.

a couple of things here.

wrt to the bold but especially to the italicised:

THAT IS MY TOWN META YOU DUMMY THAT IS A TOOL THAT I USE TO CATCH SCUM. ALSO I ASKED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE QT TO NOT BE PUBLICIZED COS IT MEANT GIVING UP A COMPETITIVE EDGE COS PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR WHEN I ASK FOR LISTS BUT HEY THANKS FOR MAKING SURE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE IT.

jesus christ you are officially on my shit list.

did I sound forced when I subbed in and pulled you out of what I think was an L1 lynch? I made a good case as to why you might be town and then you picked it up and thad was lynched. I set you up to look like gold....do you honestly think that is what I am doing with mozimas now?

have I broken down any arguments? no! I am much less certain as town I just think mozimas is town on a gut level. my defense of you was not clumsy but my defense of mozi is and that should tell you something right there.

moziperson is obvconftown and has no idea how to act. also wagon speed. and look who was on it

This leads to a weird and forced read on Mozamis. Mollie lists him as "obvconftown". If Mozamis is ObvTown, then that suggests Mollie can point to specific posts that look like town or at least provide some good reasons for him being town. Instead, she simply can't.

he looks like retarded town to me. on my homesite I have had to deal with a lot of this shit which helps me to cut through the chaff and use other tools to figure out who is scum and who is town (also I can get pretty retarded in games). I am used to a different speed, I work fast and hard cos of the rhythm of a timed game format. I will change my votes, be all over the place with my foses in order to get to a PoE of whom I want to work with. it is actually alignment neutral for me.

your posts don't feel scummy to me. I like that you are questioning my town read even though I think you are being retarded.

I don't see how the absense of scumminess, which would mean null, turns into ObvConfTown. That doesn't compute for me. Note that the one actual reason she gives occurred AFTER she listed Mozamis as obvconftown.

I

said

his posts seemed town to me. you can attack my reasoning here but you are attempting to attack something you cannot define...which is a gut read. I can't define that so if you want to pursue this dumb reasoning go ahead. you should do that to the exclusion of looking what is going on around you /sarcasm

[pirate mollie]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4673048

This is a terrible case that you completely manipulated to make Pirate Mollie look back. I dout you believe your case, Hero, and I can only see scum intent for trying to rationalize a relational tell between Pirate Mollie and Mozamis like that. It's so incredibly convoluted that it is outright ridiculous.

Mhork is being lynched today. I would also appreciate not seeing JacobSavage around when tomorrow starts. We can worry about Mozamis and Hero in day phase since they bleed scum so hard.

honestly hero probably does

but your wking is awsum and makes me worried about you!

[Vifam]

Okay I'd like to hear the Mhork case

[pirate mollie]

why the majiffy hate

he is probably scum but don't hate on him!

[TheUnderachivers]

What, no love for me???

As much as I'd like to revenge lynch you, I can't stand trolls so I'd be plenty happy to policy lynch one.

This is a terrible case that you completely manipulated to make Pirate Mollie look back

So you have a town read on IAI and a scum read on Hero but both find Mollie scummy. Why do the reads differ?

Still p convinced you're scum though Vifam even tho Hero is probtown

Why do you think Hero is town

Vifam, why do you care more about Matts town read on Hero and not his scum read on you?

-N

[Vifam]

I didn't really care if he thought I was scum to be honest

[Vifam]

@Vifam, what about moz's 399 did you specifically like?

It seemed like genuine town frustration, especially the part about looking at Majjify's attitude problem, I see statements like that coming more from town than scum.

[Aj The Epic]

This is a terrible case that you completely manipulated to make Pirate Mollie look back

So you have a town read on IAI and a scum read on Hero but both find Mollie scummy. Why do the reads differ?

Awful loaded question here. Is the only differing factor between IAI and Hero in your mind their read on Mollie? I would hope not.

[Aj The Epic]

That one got worded wrong. It's supposed to read: IAI's and Hero's same read on Mollie means that a read on them should be the same?

Blame my brain for scrabbling my words.

[Bitmap]

UNVOTE:

*shrugs*