Mini 1404 - Monopoly Mafia - Game Over

[Jal]

What are your thoughts on NumberQ not logging in for awhile?

[Mehdi2277]

That it doesn't really make a difference. I know he's flaked out as scum considering I've replaced him when he did that.

You can also argue which of the people I don't want to vote for I should be willing to if you want the vote elsewhere (I expect cheery to be argued, but really my read on him is a simple tonal read).

[Jal]

It makes me think down, but I'll get back to you on this.

[Mehdi2277]

List of Games numberQ has replaced out of:

• Micro 24
  
• Mafiastuck
  
• newbie 1156
  
• Worst Roles
  
• Artemis Fowl Large
  
• Futurama
  
• Tit for tat

So 7 replace outs for a total of I believe 13 games. I think him being inactive isn't alignment related.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I thought I would throw this out here for discussion: I got a new card today. An actual card, not some community chest dealio. Cards can't be exchanged between players so I'm wondering what happened here.

The dead players' cards might not go out of play if they die, then.

When I went into N1, I was thinking Agent Ireland was scum.

One thing that makes me think Jake is not scum is if he DID he a mistake, why bring up the past at all?

TBG I had townie feelings for the same reasons as Baby - mentioning the community chest cards.

I don't think I ever mentioned them, though. Am I forgetting something?

vote: AI

for now at least. Still need to re-read, but he felt off earlier, and his voting on Lurker definitely looks sketchy.

[Jal]

I don't think the fact he is not around is a scum tell so much what the implications of that mean.

The person you replaced did, TBG.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I don't think the fact he is not around is a scum tell so much what the implications of that mean.

The person you replaced did, TBG.

Oh. Did I get one then, or was he just talking about it? I don't think I have one.

[Jal]

He was talking about how he landed on community chest and such.

[Jal]

I'll say this about cards though: The one I got wasn't exactly a regular gaming card.

[Jake from State Farm]

List of Games numberQ has replaced out of:

• Micro 24
  
• Mafiastuck
  
• newbie 1156
  
• Worst Roles
  
• Artemis Fowl Large
  
• Futurama
  
• Tit for tat

So 7 replace outs for a total of I believe 13 games. I think him being inactive isn't alignment related.

But aren't you voting him for being inactive?

[Mehdi2277]

The second part is a scum tell, but

mostly

don't want to currently vote you, jake, tbg, xis, cheery, safety, and mhork. Which leaves agent and numberQ and between the two I prefer numberQ.

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh missed that post somehow.

[Cheery Dog]

Cheer - what are your thoughts in Jal?

Slightly lower than what I posted during twilight because of both kills suspecting her, but I still think she is town.

I thought I would throw this out here for discussion: I got a new card today. An actual card, not some community chest dealio. Cards can't be exchanged between players so I'm wondering what happened here.

Odd, I received one as well.

Continuing I've never not vig'd and I know enough people who'd shoot every night as vig.

That sounds odd coming out of Mafiastuck where you fakeclaimed not shooting as vig when you were a SK. (though you did shoot there)

[Mehdi2277]

I know. Part of the reason I fake claimed vig is because I like claiming vig as one. The only time I've been one on this site I claimed day 2 and the other time I was a vig off site I ended up claiming day 1 (although that more for being known to try to kill someone n0). There's one other time but considering I died n0 that doesn't really help.

[Xisiqomelir]

@Jal

:

Did anyone actually lose cards last night?

Not me.

@Jake

:

I will say i too have some info but not sure what to do with it. Hopefully some discussion will help me figure it out if the info I have is helpful or not.

This is not much to discuss. Could you share something more?

[Jake from State Farm]

Surely there's plenty to discuss.

Who replaced Robert? That's where I want to vote for now. During my re-read I picked up an odd vibe from him

[Xisiqomelir]

It's literally the first post of the game.

Player List

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Bold

indicates player confirmed

1.

Agent_Ireland

*
2.

Mehdi2277

3.

numberQ

***
4.

Jal

5.

UberNinja

Nobody Special

*

6.

Xisiqomelir

7.

Cheery Dog

StrangerCoug

8.

SafetyDance

Robert2424

9.

Lurker

10.

Baby Spice

11.

Lord Mhork

12.

TehBrawlGuy

Mogadishu Jones

*

13.

Jake From State Farm

* indicates prod

Was it #181? Because I think that's probably his worst:

Mainly just a feeling I've gotten from her. I have no way of really explaining it, its more just a feeling then anything. It can change, idk, don't have any control over it.

As For mhork, I'm unsure how to feel about him, he seems to have came out of nowhere all the sudden, being active, and Jumping onto the Lurker bandwagon. I haven't seen much, but mainly he's been confusing to me. He dose seem a bit scummy, but not sure.

As For Lurker, he's now committing a lot more to the game then before, I feel like now there is a bandwagon on him that he's actually going to commit. Meaning the players voting on him, putting enough pressure for him to talk and make more then one sentence posts really. I'm not going to discredit putting pressure on people via votes(if putting presure on him to talk more and to stop being scummy is there intent that is, idk, I can't read there minds). I'm placing one on Jake to do just that, get him to talk more. Not to bully, but I do think he is a good player and can make good reads if he'd just post. But I do think that if Lurker is town, one voting for him is scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

I was on my phone and being lazy.

181 was definitely one of the posts.

vote: safety

[SafetyDance]

I'm not answering for what Robert wrote, I can't. Understand I can't stop you from making reads about the slot though.

Correction, I was specifically asked my thoughts of mhork v lurker by mehndi and said if I had to pick one it would be lurker. Get your facts straight

They are, thanks. You mentioned you'd join lurkers wagon but you never did. I'm not ignoring that mention from any pre-scumslip wagon analysis.

The point about noticing the scum slip, its Probably because nobody fully read that wall of text.

Scum could have read the walls and ignored it. If there's a SK then they'd want it ignored too so they can get rid of obv maf night one themselves.

I'm sure people may have missed things but I don't understand why in a game where reading = hunting you would not be reading everything.

Medhi, what are your thoughts on Xis?

Xis I don't suspect currently.

Safety if you can find one game where scum have killed based on voting records and not voting intent or many other rreaspns night 1 I'll consider the theory, but I've never seen kills for that basis (and mafia didn't kill both spice and un since mafia vigs are very powerful and very unlikely to exist).

I did mention I didn't expect both kills were for the same reason but the possibility of one of them. I'm trying to understand the reason behind why sucm chose them (and yes, its with limited knowledge atm, I haven't read everything) and all the people on the initial wagon are still alive. I want to find out why. My view that since the lynch was a formality because of the slip, you can't read too much into the actual lynch-wagon whereas the original wagon pre-claim is more valid.

Mafia Vigs may be too powerful but what about maf getting a one-shot from a card? Do we even know for sure its not a 3 maf team + vig?

I was unsure whether to reveal this but considering it doesn't reveal my role sure, I also got a chance that gave me a 1 shot doc. I can reveal who it was on, but the main point is chance/community chest cards can give other role powers beyond things like a vote.

Who was it on?

[Jake from State Farm]

They are, thanks. You mentioned you'd join lurkers wagon but you never did. I'm not ignoring that mention from any pre-scumslip wagon analysis.

this really isn't true. I was asked specifically about 2 wagons and nothing else, I was basically saying if I had to choose between the 2 I would join lurker's wagon over Lord's. Turns out I misinterpreted the question I was asked (or it wasn't clearly worded)

[Jake from State Farm]

forgot to mention when I made that comment I had not even read the game thread, I just skimmed over 2 people's isos.

[Jal]

Jake, this is the main reason I think the Robert slot is town:

Vote Jal

for reasons i can't think of right now.

Unvote

Vote: Robert2424

For forgetting to think about thinking.

Not-thinking = Anti-town.

Why would Lurker serious vote (and I do think even he thought it was serious according to his wall) his scum buddy like that?

[Jake from State Farm]

Distancing

[Jal]

That early? I think Robert's post is crap that you pointed out, but I can see it from a new person if they really think I am scum - and see that I may be attacking a poor townie.

I'll come back to thsi thread later and make a vote. My mind just feels elsewhere irl and on site.

[Mehdi2277]

Mafia getting a vig shot is very rare. I think there's only been one or two mafia vigs in 13ps for the history of this site.

I mainly think that robert's choice to vote jal twice makes him pretty likely town. As scum double voting is fairly useful and to put it on someone that no one wanted to vote as well I don't think is likely for him.