Open 465 - Wot's... Uh the Deal? (Game Over! Town Win!)

[Majiffy]

Page 78 takes 2 days to fill. 79 and 80 fill in less than 6 hours. Fuck you guys.

Vote Count

ProHawk (L-2): Adam-12

Not Voting: - Mantisdreamz, Guile, ProHawk, Leviathan93

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Day Three has begun. Deadline is Thursday, Jan 17th (I think?) at 3:00 PM EST

[ProHawk]

Adam, make sure you read Levi's scum game, I want to see if we come up with the same thinking.

[leviathan93]

the more you poke at me, the more i'm going to know you are scum. just saying. it will be an excuse on your part hawk. adams too. but i feel more for your case. i know I am a townie. i know mantis is a townie. and people are saying guille is a townie and that I am wrong about his being under the radar which is what got me to be thinking he was scummy in the first place. the majority of games i have played scum is always the ones who have played under the radar. getting people to lynch true townies who are out in the open and trying to discuss people who could be scum. the scum slips that people say happen never really happen from my experience. they have been only excuses to lynch town or players they don't like.

[leviathan93]

read the scum game all you want but it will literally show you nothing.

[ProHawk]

Levi, do you mean the more I poke at you the more you want me dead? Why would scum poke at you? You just said scum is the one who [has] played under the radar...

[leviathan93]

yes I did. and yes I did just threaten you. At this point in the game and in this situation Im betting scum is going to be trying to pull something. Especially since I know my own alignment. and to be accused specifically at this time when it would rather be possible for me to be lynched earlier in the game scum want me alive for lynch or lose so they can lynch me then. if im lynched now, then who would they kill? mantis? that would leave you, adam, and guille as the last ones. the two town people would know which one of you is truly scum in that situation. but with me there, I know where the alignment would turn. therefore unless he can avoid it scum will not be targeting me this round. so i can be lynched then. scum would poke me because it would be a great opportunity for them to do so. "why trust levia? he seems to be looking extra scummy at the moment. lets lynch him." and then another town would be gone. and put you in the exact situation we are in now. who should we trust? hawk or adam? i say we should decide that now rather then in lynch or lose. I honestly don't care which one of you goes now.

[Mantisdreamz]

UNVOTE: God DAMN! im getting really annoyed by people convincing me to change my votes. =/ and almost forcing me too, because im so fucking unsure in this situation.

sorry Levi. it's just that i really don't think Hawk is scum. He has been the same the whole game, relaxed, and questioning. I saw Adam as having much less contribution than what he has throughout the thread. If he is scum, i can related to that... it's similar to my scum game. you go all out on day 1, and then after that, participation fades a bit.. or, you lose steam.

Plus, the smart move as scum, when it came to bork, was to bus. At least, i would do it in that circumstance. When you're scum, and your buddy is going down, you tend to feel more paranoid about making sure you don't stand out from the wagon. ...sooo, you add your vote to the wagon and bus. Taking a huge stand to your scum buddy's wagon is a pretty huge risk... and it allows town to center in on those who were against the wagon. So, if scum is a part of those standing out from the wagon, they're going to be under a lot of scrutiny the next day. Which is the exact opposite of what scum want. Which is why (partially), i think that Prohawk is not scum. Not too mention what i already have said, that he still maintains a certain demeanour of questioning and confidence that looks like town.

[Majiffy]

Hey come play in my Mother of God marathon game, people.

[leviathan93]

then mantis vote adam so I will just hammer him. lets not dilly dally with this anymore.

[leviathan93]

if he is not scum then lynch me in lynch or lose so we lose.

[ProHawk]

Levi, do you not see your own scumminess dripping from your lips?

[leviathan93]

and if so then lynch me now?

[leviathan93]

id love to shove it in your face about how wrong you are.

[ProHawk]

...I'm sure you would.

[Majiffy]

scumminess dripping from your lips?

I have the weirdest boner right now.

[leviathan93]

if you aren't going to lynch me now when the time is perfect, then that leaves only three other viable options. guille who we think is town and im like "ok, fine, he can be town" and then hawk, and then adam. mantis im giving the free ness cuz she is tracker. i know two confirmed town at the moment. me and mantis. therefore scum would be in adam hawk or guille. if people think hawk's abruptness and carelessness is not scum then ok then lets just lynch adam. id rather be the hammer then wait for someone to hammer. its how i play the game.

and thanks for that nice addition majiffy. =P

[Majiffy]

[Adam-12]

@Mantis: Ok, then if Hawk is not scum and we end up in LYLO with Hawk, Levi & Guille, what should the town do? That's what I am asking you because you need to be very clear on it.

Your choice of viewing Hawk's behavior and my own are one side of a coin that can easily be flipped.

But based on what you have been saying, let's assume that in LYLO it will either be Levi or Guille as scum -- see I totally disagree. I think you have glossed over a clear scum profile from Hawk. It really was your point about his frustration over the Mollie wagon that got me thinking about that and then he repeated it in D2.

You see Hawk that defended a town read and is calmly questioning and voting to catch scum, I see a Hawk who was frustrated over losing the Mollie wagon & was confident that his Mala lynch would go through and he would end the day. I further see his manipulation during D2 to survive it and engineer a Thor lynch and his denial of such manipulation (how is that calm?) further shows he is scum.

You realize this will be the end of the game if Hawk is scum because in LYLO he will manipulate a win right?

[leviathan93]

BUT if both of you are town THEN IT WOULD BE GUILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ProHawk]

Adam, your appeal to fear of my "manipulation" is pretty scummy, just saying...

[Adam-12]

Btw, the only thing I could take away from Levi's 2nd scum game was the fact he hasn't appeared to have learned how to play since that game and actually he played much better that game than this one!

In other words, this game he sounds even more clueless than in his very first game.

Now for why he is town from this game...

[Adam-12]

Adam, your appeal to fear of my "manipulation" is pretty scummy, just saying...

Really? You are the one that denied you made the claim you should be lynched after Thor right? You are still denying it??

[leviathan93]

that is such a correct analysis adam. =) thank you!

[ProHawk]

Here is what I don't get... Levi practically says he is going to hammer you and you literally don't care.

Let me re-post what you said I said so you can get it straight instead of spinning it.

[leviathan93]

mantis. =P i see hawk more scummy then I see adam. if we are wrong why can't we just lynch adam tomorrow?