Mini 1397: War is Hell (Game Over)

[Voidedmafia]

Ah, I see Voidedmafia did, in fact, hurt PeregrineV yesterday afternoon. That makes his continued chainsaw defense of him even more baffling.

Chainsaw defense? I find some of your actions suspect. Why does that mean I'm automatically chainsaw defending?

[Yosarian2]

Ah, I see Voidedmafia did, in fact, hurt PeregrineV yesterday afternoon. That makes his continued chainsaw defense of him even more baffling.

Chainsaw defense? I find some of your actions suspect. Why does that mean I'm automatically chainsaw defending?

(shrug) It appears that you are attacking me for hurting PeregirneV. You have not really been able to explain why you have a problem with me doing that, at least not in any way that makes sense, and I find that especally odd since you were voting for him at the time.

So, yeah, if you can offer some other explanation for your actions, that would be good. At the moment, if PeregirneV flips scum, you are going to be high on my suspect list, because it looks to me like you were both distancing from him and trying to deter people from killing him at the same time.

[Voidedmafia]

Ah, I see Voidedmafia did, in fact, hurt PeregrineV yesterday afternoon. That makes his continued chainsaw defense of him even more baffling.

Chainsaw defense? I find some of your actions suspect. Why does that mean I'm automatically chainsaw defending?

(shrug) It appears that you are attacking me for hurting PeregirneV.

Well...if you recall, I got on you because I thought you were hurting him without the prerequisite 5 votes. I won't deny that "hurting PV" hasn't been part of my angle, but that phrase isn't the entire thing.

You have not really been able to explain why you have a problem with me doing that, at least not in any way that makes sense, and I find that especally odd since you were voting for him at the time.

Answered above. Also, I'll probably have to refresh myself on what exactly I disliked, but I feel like the other parts weren't directly related to you hurting PV.

because it looks to me like you were both distancing from him and trying to deter people from killing him at the same time.

I'm voting and hurting him, but at the same time I'm trying to stop people from hurting him? Do you not see how convoluted that sounds if I'm scum trying to bus/distance PV? Also, even if that's the case, so far I've only objected to you hurting PV and not anyone else; if your explanation here is in any way true, why just attack you and not everyone else?

[Yosarian2]

Ah, I see Voidedmafia did, in fact, hurt PeregrineV yesterday afternoon. That makes his continued chainsaw defense of him even more baffling.

Chainsaw defense? I find some of your actions suspect. Why does that mean I'm automatically chainsaw defending?

(shrug) It appears that you are attacking me for hurting PeregirneV.

Well...if you recall, I got on you because I thought you were hurting him without the prerequisite 5 votes. I won't deny that "hurting PV" hasn't been part of my angle, but that phrase isn't the entire thing.

You have not really been able to explain why you have a problem with me doing that, at least not in any way that makes sense, and I find that especally odd since you were voting for him at the time.

Answered above. Also, I'll probably have to refresh myself on what exactly I disliked, but I feel like the other parts weren't directly related to you hurting PV.

because it looks to me like you were both distancing from him and trying to deter people from killing him at the same time.

I'm voting and hurting him, but at the same time I'm trying to stop people from hurting him? Do you not see how convoluted that sounds if I'm scum trying to bus/distance PV? Also, even if that's the case, so far I've only objected to you hurting PV and not anyone else; if your explanation here is in any way true, why just attack you and not everyone else?

From my PoV, this was what happened:

1.I put PV at 5 votes, and hurt him

2. You attacked me for hurting him, claiming he wasn't at 5 votes.

3. I pointed out you were wrong.

4. You gave this oddly reluctant agreement ("Eh...I guess..."). For some reason you seemed unwilling to commit to more then that. And the tone seems odd, if you were, in fact, in support of the PV wagon/

5. You eventually gave in and hurt PV, several hours later.

6. However, you continued to attack me, giving no new reasons since #2

If you had some other reason for suspecting me, or some other justification for your behavior, I'd be interested to hear it. As it is now, your behavior looks suspicious to me, especially so if PV flips scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why are you still attacking Yos? The 5 votes issue you keep bringing up makes no sense at all.

[Voidedmafia]

I'm...not?

[Voidedmafia]

Well, to be more correct, I need to refresh myself as to why Yos felt bad to me. I said that already. If you want to label it as a "wait-and-see" kind of thing, that's fine (cuz it kinda is), but I'm not attacking him right now.

[Tierce]

Pseudo Votecount 1.9

(5)

PeregrineV

- Tierce, quadz08, Kinetic, Voidedmafia, Yosarian2
(2)

MattP

- Xalxe, Albert B. Rampage
(1)

Yosarian2

- PeregrineV

(5)

Not voting

- kanyeknowsbest, scooby, MattP, Lady Lambdadelta, Zdenek


Let me know if there are any mistakes.

[Mr. Flay]

PeregrineV snarls and spits defiance, reeling with the blows but throwing back spite and venom in equal amounts to any of you. The problem is, he is outnumbered, knows it, and is impotent against his hate of the fact. His swipe at Kinetic breezes past without effect. When Tierce's next blow lands, he stumbles and utters "¢ҩ¢ʎᴤʉ¢ʎξԓ!" with a low and clear voice, then collapses to the ground in a bubbling, oily heap which bursts briefly into Stygian fire. The flames gutter low, and when the ooze burns away, only his sigil remains.

Duke Berith, Great Demon of Hell, has been slain.

---

First Damage Tally of Epoch II:

• Kinetic
  has taken 1 damage.
  
• kanyeknowsbest
  ,
  MattP
  ,
  quadz08
  ,
  Tierce
  ,
  Zdenek
  ,
  Yosarian2
  ,
  Xalxe
  ,
  Voidedmafia
  ,
  Lady Lambdadelta
  ,
  scooby
  and
  Albert B. Rampage
  are all at their default HP after giving and receiving 1 Heal apiece.

Kinetic and Yosarian's actions are unspent.

[Voidedmafia]

So...no heal on Kinetic, Albert?

[quadz08]

large post about Kinetic

HURT: PV

Yeah uhhh

that doesn't look real good Kinetic. Wanna splain why you didn't respond to this even a little tiny bit?

Also, Yos/voided stuff. I'm of the opinion that yos is overreacting slightly to voided's tone (as opposed to reading his intent), but the fact that voided still hasn't really backed off from Yos does make me question that opinions.

[kanyeknowsbest]

im just about caught up. ill finish and summarize my thoughts on the game 2morrow afternoon yall. apologies again :x

[Kinetic]

large post about Kinetic

HURT: PV

Yeah uhhh

that doesn't look real good Kinetic. Wanna splain why you didn't respond to this even a little tiny bit?

Also, Yos/voided stuff. I'm of the opinion that yos is overreacting slightly to voided's tone (as opposed to reading his intent), but the fact that voided still hasn't really backed off from Yos does make me question that opinions.

Because I didn't read it, sent that post from my bed while still asleep, and I'm basically studying all day and night for a huge final exam on thursday and a paper due.... tomorrow.

Apologies, my attention is not 100% here right now. Also, Zd is scum. When I get some time I'll respond and make a big post, I've been thinking about something and that PV flip is making me rethink some things...

[quadz08]

Fair enough.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Exams coming up, a little behind. I'll post more asap.

[Zdenek]

Yosarian's pattern of votes and his reasons for them is really bothering me now.

His first stated suspicion was on me of OMGUS after Kinetic, Quadz and kdowns had stated their suspicions of me.

His second was on MattP, also for OMGUS, after Tierce, LLD and kdowns had stated their suspicions of him.

Next he votes ABR for not posting.

Next voted PeregrineV, for shooting back at Kinetic because shooting back is a pretty solid scum tell, this was after several people had suggested their suspicions of Peregrine.

Most recently he's been going after Voided for chainsaw defending Peregrine.

His votes on Me, MattP and Peregrine were votes on popular wagons.

His reasons for his votes on me and Matt and for his suspicion on Voided are all weak/boilerplate scum tells.

I also read Voided's concern about Yosarian showing up, putting the fifth vote on Peregrine and then hurting him as quite natural in the context of his earlier comments about wanting to raise the number of votes required to start hurting.

[MattP]

I am going to make a statement right now that I have the most important midterm of this semester on Friday and therefore I am INCREDIBLY limited access until then. Thank you for your understanding.

[Voidedmafia]

I am going to make a statement right now that I have the most important midterm of this semester on Friday and therefore I am INCREDIBLY limited access until then. Thank you for your understanding.

Good luck!

[Kinetic]

PeregrineV snarls and spits defiance, reeling with the blows but throwing back spite and venom in equal amounts to any of you. The problem is, he is outnumbered, knows it, and is impotent against his hate of the fact. His swipe at Kinetic breezes past without effect. When Tierce's next blow lands, he stumbles and utters "¢ҩ¢ʎᴤʉ¢ʎξԓ!" with a low and clear voice, then collapses to the ground in a bubbling, oily heap which bursts briefly into Stygian fire. The flames gutter low, and when the ooze burns away, only his sigil remains.

Duke Berith, Great Demon of Hell, has been slain.

---

First Damage Tally of Epoch II:

• Kinetic
  has taken 1 damage.
  
• kanyeknowsbest
  ,
  MattP
  ,
  quadz08
  ,
  Tierce
  ,
  Zdenek
  ,
  Yosarian2
  ,
  Xalxe
  ,
  Voidedmafia
  ,
  Lady Lambdadelta
  ,
  scooby
  and
  Albert B. Rampage
  are all at their default HP after giving and receiving 1 Heal apiece.

Kinetic and Yosarian's actions are unspent.

Wait... wtf. Why did Peregrine's second attack not him me? Interesting...

Large post incoming. I'm going to assume the reason I wasn't hurt was because of someone intervening, thank you. And if that's the case, I think I found scum. If there is another reason, well, I still think I found scum. Stay tuned.

[quadz08]

Somebody who is lurky/scummy needs to heal Kinetic. Matt/LLD/scooby/ABR are all valid choices as of now, but I do want to re-read based on PV's flip and see if I can find anything.

[Kinetic]

People who hurt PV:
Tierce (3 points)
Kinetic (2 points)
quadz (2 points)
voided (2 points)
Yos (1 point)
Xalxe (1 point)

Both Kinetic and Yos attempted to hurt PV again, but he was already dead before those hurts resolved.

People who didn't hurt PV:
Albert B. Rampage
kanyeknowsbest
Lady Lambdadelta
MattP
scooby
Zdenek

FOS

Zd, LLD, MattP

All three expressed clear willingness to push the Peregrine V kill, but then backed off when the hurting began. Neither of them hurt PV, despite bring around when the hurting began.

How does claiming simply when you use rage out power roles?

So you've expressed suspicion of me over our disagreement over strategy, and it turns out that you've been ignoring my posts on the matter. Colour me surprised.

When making the decision about claiming rage, we should keep in mind the possibility of power roles like the ophans of last game, which may noit accumulate rage at the same rate as others, or stronger roles that accumulate it faster. If there are these roles in the game, they could be outed quickly if we start mass-claiming rage.

Ophans additionally could be outed because of, for instance, a reluctance to use rage.

The case on Matt, while it had reasonable beginnings, has become somewhat unbelievable. For purely wifom reasons, I think he's probably town, so I guess I don't care if you want to kill him, but I'm looking elsewhere.

I don't understand the town reads on Kinetic at all, but there's more scum in the game.

Vote: PeregrineV

There's a reason . . . .

unvote: PV

I have to read, and don't want him dead before then.

Three days later, AFTER the hurting begins, suddenly your "reason" has evaporated and you distance yourself from the wagon. What was your reason for voting him, pray tell?

Actually, promise me you will seriously consider my case. And I want Xalxe to die next. And then LLD and then PV. I know you won't agree on LLD but I want those three dead before final 7 no fucking question

Also, I'm down with this. Wanted PV dead from the minute he was posting those votecount shenanigans.

Vote: PV

With PV's town flip, these fence sitters now look quite a bit like scum trying to express "support" for killing PV, while at the same time distancing themselves from any actual involvement. This is a bad thing in this game for the single point that once PV started shooting he became a threat to everyone because of his recklessness. These three directly facilitated PV's ability to continue hurting. If they had helped kill him, PV would never have gotten a second shot off. It is irrelevant that the second shot for some reason failed, because they couldn't have known that was going to happen. Their actions are scummy.

Major FOS

: Xalxe

I separated Xalxe off because he may have been the scummiest of all the "wagon sitters". Xalxe first mentioned his preference for the kill very early:

At first, yes. But as we've had time to see it, and PV has responded, I feel much more comfortable in it. The 5 came quickly, but they've been building up for a while. And in a way, LLD is 6, so we have 6 players who are ok with hurting our dear scum.

Make it 6.5; the speed makes me balk but as I said, Matt and PV are scum 1 and scum 2.

(this is me not hurting yet until my #3 is addressed)

This was 6 posts and 3 minutes after the first hurt. Perhaps his not hurting PV at this point can be forgiven, for now...

But in the time between the first hurt (Nov. 30: 2:49 PM) until his first hurt (December 2: 12:07 PM) is just under 2 days. PeregrineV made his second hurt was at December 2 at 4:58 AM. Had Xalxe hurt PV before that time, and either one other person, or if he had hurt PV before the end of the day on Nov. 30 and again on December 1st, he could have prevented the second hurt from PV. The fact that for some reason PV didn't hurt me is irrelevant. Xalxe waited for as long as possible to hurt to allow PV as much time to attack me, and then when PV's death was assured at the last minute he jumped in with the second to last hurt.

If scum DO get rage for being on a town kill, Xalxe's play and timing of his hurt is pretty much completely damning.

Unvote; Vote Xalxe

[Xalxe]

Oh yeah Kinetic? Well take this!

HEAL: Kinetic

I think that brings you back up.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't mind healing Kinetic but should I wait until I accumulate back my health to 1 above the Max? Anyone? Yes? No?

Also, I would have hurt PV but someone asked for no one else to hurt PV incase scum get stuff for being on a wagon or something? I was skimming because exams but I seem to recall reading that and I didn't have a problem with it.

P-Edit: God Dammit Xalxe, do you even read

[Xalxe]

Yes I read? Sorry for healing him?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes I read? Sorry for healing him?

It accomplishes nothing because now you drop to where he would have been due to the healing rules as I understand them (you only regain 1 within the time frame even if you heal multiple times)?