Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Legacy (Game Over)

[Benmage]

All evidence points to a single-faction game.
Multi-faction talk, just like Tammy-is-BP, is nothing but fearmongry.

Simply untrue, especially on the basis that the theme is split.

***But why can't Tammy be part of a strong small scumteam that daykills? Its been done before.

We have a guilty. We don't know the setup. You lynch it. You won't convince me, nor get a majority to lynch off her. That is the biggest realization you need. Otherwise this blackhole continues.

[pidgey]

So we lynch safe over guilty.

[Benmage]

Aco's play has been, in a word, safe.
He's never strongly pushed for something, he's playing reactionarily rather than taking actions, he's consistently on the defensive and showing concern for his own life, he's done very little actual scumhunting, his reads have been highly sheepish, so overall, he's an active lurker, who isn't at all using his PGO claim to push strongly against his suspects. (Speaking of which, he has close to none.) He's done plenty of buddying and lots of parroting others, not contributing his own voice to the discussion.
Interactions with other players I suspect are just the icing on top of the cake.

Add in all the points about his claim, and how they're much the same as the points for Tammy (only more optimized), and he's a VERY strong lynch candidate.

Except we have a guilty on Tammy. So there's no guess work there.

He's a miller claim. All your points against him could easily be considered town. Moreover..... if he was scum, I doubt he would've taken such a pathetic approach to the game D1, no? Thats asking for trouble. Seems the opposite of logical scum play.

I think your reaching here just so you can have Tammy live.

[Tammy]

Benmage - I think you no that's not the case and you're pushing this possibility for the same reason you outed your role the other day - you were getting pissed that you weren't getting your way and people were arguing something different than what you were saying.

[Acosmist]

Aco's play has been, in a word, safe.

lolwut???

[Acosmist]

OK do not end this day yet, I like this push by the scum. Definitely do not have daychat or someone would have screamed for them to shut up.

[pidgey]

Can tammy hypothetically shoot herself?

[Kise]

All evidence points to a single-faction game.

WHAT EVIDENCE???

ON DAY 2 OF THIS LONGASS GAME???

WE CANT GET FLIPS ROUND THIS BITCH, HOW DO WE KNOW ANYUTHING???

[Benmage]

Benmage - I think you no that's not the case and you're pushing this possibility for the same reason you outed your role the other day - you were getting pissed that you weren't getting your way and people were arguing something different than what you were saying.

Its a multi-theme'd game we have no idea what the setup is. Thats a strong point whether you wish to dismiss it or not.

You are guilty. You need to die. Even worse. Discussion has become a blackhole, if you were town, shit you'd be asking for your own head by now. I have done it before, if its the best course for town.

I'm going to the gym. This game is getting pathetic. Here comes the apathy. GJ Mastin.

[Benmage]

KiSe

EniX had daykilling nontown factions aye?

Its themed... we don't know. We do know we have a guilty.

Shits so simple I am just in awe that she aint dead yet.

[Kise]

@KISE

Hey dude didn't one of your enix games have essentially scum factions with daykills?

Yes, in two of my games in fact. One had daykilling mafia, the other had daykilling 3rd parties. In fact pappums was a player and I believe Faraday reviewed it.

[Yates]

@Yates 1849: I argue she did go rogueish.

Well, to be fair, she was put in a position where she had to shoot or die. She wasn't given 1/2 a day phase to have Town direct her shot. So, to my estimation, she took a good shot [that COULD have been directed at Ben] but it hit Town. Thus, she was able to at least verify that she CAN kill during the day and that she IS willing to play ball.

Also, here's a quote for those of you who don't remember Tammy agreeing to allow Town to direct her shot:

I never said I wouldn't deign to test it. I am actually considering it regardless; it's just a silly question to ask me. If I'm the dayvig - yes, of course I'd do anything to help town because I win with town regardless. If I'm the SK - yes, of course I'd do it.

Either way, I have to say yes.

This Tammy smokescreen issue with play out everyday she lives.

I don't agree with this. It's an issue today because it just came up and we need to come to a consensus on how to deal with it. If we can get resolution on it today, we can carry on without this as a distraction. Would this be more agreeable to those of you opposed to a Tammy lynch if we were to come up with a situation where Tammy *IS* the lynch? Obviously, we lynch her if she goes rogue so that's one scenario. The other would be if we had X number of Town deaths with no scum deaths or something like that? Something that would motivate her to keep shooting scum, essentially.

One says today... One says later. But all agree she must die.

And I think we are in agreement on this regarding the PGO claim as well, right? Which is why I think that is a reasonable substitute lynch for today. When we have more info tomorrow and we have a plan in place, we have half a day to determine a Day Kill - see the flip - then adjust accordingly.

For anyone spreading the mutifaction BS and that I'm part of some team. Take a deep breath and ask yourselves why benmage is still alive? Think about it.

This is a good point. If we have multiscum, Tammy would have shot Ben anyway. Scum for a cop? Easy swap.

[Acosmist]

Can tammy hypothetically shoot herself?

Seems unlikely without violating the rules.

I let a vig kill herself in my game and people seemed shocked that was even allowed. For an SK, there's no possible justification. Soooo, doubtful.

[Benmage]

@KISE

Hey dude didn't one of your enix games have essentially scum factions with daykills?

Yes, in two of my games in fact. One had daykilling mafia, the other had daykilling 3rd parties. In fact pappums was a player and I believe Faraday reviewed it.

Point made.

Lets also go back to a game Tammy referenced. Faraday's ASOS.

In that game we all believed Zedenek Was the SK..... so we delayed killing him to hunt for scum. But he turned out to be part of a 2 man scum team.

No reason not to kill Tammy. Yeeeeeeesh.

[Yates]

In that game we all believed Zedenek Was the SK..... so we delayed killing him to hunt for scum. But he turned out to be part of a 2 man scum team.

No reason not to kill Tammy. Yeeeeeeesh.

Were you able to limit the damage done by team 2 in that game? Did you have a pet Zedenek shooting at scum team 1 for you?

I have never seen this so I actually want to know how that worked out.

[Kise]

This is a good point. If we have multiscum, Tammy would have shot Ben anyway. Scum for a cop? Easy swap.

She shot ThAd before anyone even brought up her being on a possible day mafia. No telling, but she may have thought she'd get away with simply vig/SK accusations. From what I saw, no one outside of maybe Ben said they'd lynch her after she took her shot. I remember seeing people wanting her to prove she was the daykiller. All in all, the theory of day scum wasn't up yet. At best, multiball was mentioned and dismissed after the no deaths N1, but no one thought of a day mafia until after she shot.

Lets also go back to a game Tammy referenced. Faraday's ASOS.

In that game we all believed Zedenek Was the SK..... so we delayed killing him to hunt for scum. But he turned out to be part of a 2 man scum team.

There's a pretty good chance Faraday helped pap work something similar in this game. I remember Faraday giving me a daykill in the MGS game last year.

[Yates]

She shot ThAd before anyone even brought up her being on a possible day mafia.

That's true BUT if she is multiball scum, wouldn't she know that? In which case, my argument stands - scum for a cop, easy swap.

[Tammy]

I didn't reference asos. Where are you getting that? I don't even know anything about that game.

[Tammy]

Benmage - I think you no that's not the case and you're pushing this possibility for the same reason you outed your role the other day - you were getting pissed that you weren't getting your way and people were arguing something different than what you were saying.

Its a multi-theme'd game we have no idea what the setup is. Thats a strong point whether you wish to dismiss it or not.

You are guilty. You need to die. Even worse. Discussion has become a blackhole, if you were town, shit you'd be asking for your own head by now. I have done it before, if its the best course for town.

I'm going to the gym. This game is getting pathetic. Here comes the apathy. GJ Mastin.

I don't doubt I'm dying today. Half of you won't listen to the positives of leaving me alive to let the mafia take me out through night kill. I've still been scumhunting today, and don't discount hose just agreeing with you today. I bet you there's at least one scum hoping to get on your good side by agreeing/parroting.

[WrathChild]

For christ sake. WE LYNCH TAMMY. I will take a hot steamy turd in the middle of my kitchen and roll around in it if she doesn't flip scum.

[Tammy]

^^^ like this guy who's literally done nothing since replacing in except spread multiball crap theory and thrown suspicion on town for "slipping". And here he's trying to sound oh so protown by repeating to lynch me.

[AngryPidgeon]

The only lynch I will actually accept today that isn't Tammy is WC.

[mastin2]

The only lynch I will actually accept today that isn't Tammy is WC.

I would

prefer

Aco, but I can do that.

[mastin2]

Also,

Mod:

I'm taking the weekend off. Busy week this week has left me exhausted. I'm going to sleep in tomorrow and slack off the entire day.

In a few words,

V/LA over weekened.

[WrathChild]

^^^ like this guy who's literally done nothing since replacing in except spread multiball crap theory and

thrown suspicion on town for "slipping"

. And here he's trying to sound oh so protown by repeating to lynch me.

Oh they're town now? That's good to know. You a cop too?

I'm not trying to sound protown. It's the best play to lynch you, the end. So far you're the only person that's killed anyone this entire game. That's stop that.

I wrote a book on optimum Mafia plays here's an excerpt:

Spoiler: Optimum Mafia Plays by Wrathchild, Fourth Edition 2012

Chapter 4.1.9: Early Game Guilty Reads from Claimed Cops

Always lynch a guilty read from a claimed cop before anyone else, especially if their name is Tammy and LyLo is far far away. If scum are left alive they will do nothing but reap and sow confusion throughout the thread as long as their black hearts still beat.