In post 1492, snifit wrote:Christ, Jason. Tammy IS the guilty result.
I think it's clear she's the SK. Leaving her alive is a huge mistake. Town is in a great position, and leaving the SK alive will only erode that. She shot scum--that's gravy. Let's lynch her, and use our huge number of lynches to our advantage.
In post 1485, Acosmist wrote:My problem with the cunning plan is not the obvious one.
It's the fact that we can definitely lynch scum now or maybe lynch scum now.
Let's just do the certain scum today.
I can certainly try. The scum want Tammy dead, and then you want Tammy dead, but there are plenty of people who are town and willing to listen to alternatives. The key is to coordinate which Tammy counterwagon to focus on. I'm advocating Kise, right now. Pidgey, myk, and BC are the alternative wagons right now. Myk, pidgey, and Tammy (the respective voters on said wagons) are almost certainly open to other options. (Especially Tammy.) And we're discussing them and coordinating them right now.Benmage wrote:You won't get majority on anyone else,
But not scum dead, and not revealing anything about the setup that we don't already know. It's impossible for Tammy to be groupscum. She'll flip day-SK, and that's it. No setup info at all. Nothing we don't already know.-antitown dead, helps reveal setup info check check
Except she's not killing anyone we wouldn't mislynch anyway.-and eliminate future miskills check
What pro-town motive is there to end the day prematurely? We're discussing who the scum are. We know what Tammy will flip: non-mafia. So we're discussing who WILL flip mafia. There's nothing in that which we don't want to drag on; everything being talked about is things we should talk about.-day isn't dragged out check
Again, this plain and simple an Appeal to Fear, with no basis in facts. The facts are shown by the trends in-thread. She could have shot you today, Benmage. She didn't. She could shoot you tomorrow. She won't. Her play speaks for itself; she's in a town mindset, even if she isn't town.-ensures no foul play, and cop remains alive check
I can. Tammy is lynched, flips exactly what we know she will, and we have a dead townie. We're no closer to finding scum than we are today.-requires us to kill her at a later (maybe less fortunate position) This can be a minus or a check... we can't predict the future
Again, anyone she'd kill is someone we'd have mislynched.- killing town minus
So don't have her kill without the target claiming. Instantly prevents this.- killing town PRS minus minus
There's plenty of reason to keep her living. You're right, we technically don't need it, but we also don't need her lynched; it works both ways.We don't need it, bottomline. No reason to risk her living.
Again, THIS IS AN APPEAL TO FEAR. A Day-SK is already incredibly powerful. She can stop lynches dead by killing, and she can't be tracked, she can't be watched, and her kills can't be stopped. That's strongman, ninja, and semi-governor all in one packaged deal.As scum won't NK her, probably can't.
In post 1502, mastin2 wrote:I can certainly try. The scum want Tammy dead, and then you want Tammy dead, but there are plenty of people who are town and willing to listen to alternatives. The key is to coordinate which Tammy counterwagon to focus on. I'm advocating Kise, right now. Pidgey, myk, and BC are the alternative wagons right now. Myk, pidgey, and Tammy (the respective voters on said wagons) are almost certainly open to other options. (Especially Tammy.) And we're discussing them and coordinating them right now.Benmage wrote:You won't get majority on anyone else,
But not scum dead, and not revealing anything about the setup that we don't already know. It's impossible for Tammy to be groupscum. She'll flip day-SK, and that's it. No setup info at all. Nothing we don't already know.-antitown dead, helps reveal setup info check check
Except she's not killing anyone we wouldn't mislynch anyway.-and eliminate future miskills check
What pro-town motive is there to end the day prematurely? We're discussing who the scum are. We know what Tammy will flip: non-mafia. So we're discussing who WILL flip mafia. There's nothing in that which we don't want to drag on; everything being talked about is things we should talk about.-day isn't dragged out check
Again, this plain and simple an Appeal to Fear, with no basis in facts. The facts are shown by the trends in-thread. She could have shot you today, Benmage. She didn't. She could shoot you tomorrow. She won't. Her play speaks for itself; she's in a town mindset, even if she isn't town.-ensures no foul play, and cop remains alive check
I can. Tammy is lynched, flips exactly what we know she will, and we have a dead townie. We're no closer to finding scum than we are today.-requires us to kill her at a later (maybe less fortunate position) This can be a minus or a check... we can't predict the future
Again, anyone she'd kill is someone we'd have mislynched.- killing town minus
So don't have her kill without the target claiming. Instantly prevents this.- killing town PRS minus minus
There's plenty of reason to keep her living. You're right, we technically don't need it, but we also don't need her lynched; it works both ways.We don't need it, bottomline. No reason to risk her living.
Again, THIS IS AN APPEAL TO FEAR. A Day-SK is already incredibly powerful. She can stop lynches dead by killing, and she can't be tracked, she can't be watched, and her kills can't be stopped. That's strongman, ninja, and semi-governor all in one packaged deal.As scum won't NK her, probably can't.
And on top of that, you think she's bulletproof?!?
Not a chance in hell.
In post 1497, mastin2 wrote:Aco, bluntly, I think you're town, but if you continue pushing this lynch, I'm policy-lynching you tomorrow for killing the one person who can safely target you using this logic.
Why? So I can let us do the scum's work for them, waste our lynch, and let us get nowhere? Heck no.myk wrote:Can you please not make such posts?
The fact that ThAd flipped town does not mean it was a bad shot. Again, how was ThAd a bad shot, when half the town was suspicious of him? And a lot more had him as null? And he was doing something questionable? Again, he was a good shot. I woulda made a similar shot as a day-vig.snifit wrote:She fired off an awful shot today (on someone who just spent a lot of time convincing himself she was scum...HMM) and she's going to continue to fire off awful shots.
And YOU are giving THE SCUM exactly what THEY want.You're giving her exactly what she wants.
In post 1506, Acosmist wrote:In post 1497, mastin2 wrote:Aco, bluntly, I think you're town, but if you continue pushing this lynch, I'm policy-lynching you tomorrow for killing the one person who can safely target you using this logic.
Good luck with that. Getting bored with isolated people thinking they can lynch anyone for anything. Let me know when one vote is a majority and I'll be sure to be appropriately scared of you.
In post 1474, Yates wrote:Your powers are weak, old man. They are only active at night.
In post 1509, Benmage wrote:In post 1506, Acosmist wrote:In post 1497, mastin2 wrote:Aco, bluntly, I think you're town, but if you continue pushing this lynch, I'm policy-lynching you tomorrow for killing the one person who can safely target you using this logic.
Good luck with that. Getting bored with isolated people thinking they can lynch anyone for anything. Let me know when one vote is a majority and I'll be sure to be appropriately scared of you.
Mastin is a fucking retard if he thinks an SK will suicide.
In post 1507, Acosmist wrote:Ben, is Yates town? Are you sure? Because I thought he had a cunning plan, but now I'm thinking he wants me gone and hopes the SK didn't read carefully.
Same with mastin.
In post 1511, Acosmist wrote:In post 1509, Benmage wrote:In post 1506, Acosmist wrote:In post 1497, mastin2 wrote:Aco, bluntly, I think you're town, but if you continue pushing this lynch, I'm policy-lynching you tomorrow for killing the one person who can safely target you using this logic.
Good luck with that. Getting bored with isolated people thinking they can lynch anyone for anything. Let me know when one vote is a majority and I'll be sure to be appropriately scared of you.
Mastin is a fucking retard if he thinks an SK will suicide.
Yates seemed to think he would. She. Whatever the SK is.
In post 1512, Benmage wrote:In post 1507, Acosmist wrote:Ben, is Yates town? Are you sure? Because I thought he had a cunning plan, but now I'm thinking he wants me gone and hopes the SK didn't read carefully.
Same with mastin.
I think they're both town.. but the magnitude of derpness coming from the to is so great that they just might be scum.
In post 1508, mastin2 wrote:
And YOU are giving THE SCUM exactly what THEY want.You're giving her exactly what she wants.
In post 1514, Acosmist wrote:In post 1512, Benmage wrote:In post 1507, Acosmist wrote:Ben, is Yates town? Are you sure? Because I thought he had a cunning plan, but now I'm thinking he wants me gone and hopes the SK didn't read carefully.
Same with mastin.
I think they're both town.. but the magnitude of derpness coming from the to is so great that they just might be scum.
He did lie about my ability. Seemed to want to keep the SK alive so she could die killing me tomorrow.
In post 1518, Tammy wrote:I have to catch up on every thing since Monday, but just caught Benmages last post.
Why would I shoot you benmage? If I wanted to shoot you, I'd have done it already. What are you going to do? Investigate me again? You know what you should, maybe you'll get the correct result this time.
In post 1518, Tammy wrote:I have to catch up on every thing since Monday, but just caught Benmages last post.
Why would I shoot you benmage? If I wanted to shoot you, I'd have done it already. What are you going to do? Investigate me again? You know what you should, maybe you'll get the correct result this time.