Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Legacy (Game Over)

[mastin2]

Not murder in-thread.

Murder, as in, track you down, find where you live in real life, and kill you for the

stupidity

of this.

[mykonian]

Could use, yes.
Would use, no. If she shot anyone we didn't want her to, with any excuse at all, she'd still be lynched.

We have control over her right now. She can't get away with ANYTHING. No killing the cop, no killing a player we don't want her to. She does, she dies, period, end of discussion, no excuses accepted.

I'll repeat: lynching her is exactly what the scum want us to do.

I didn't want an Admiral kill. He wasn't even voted much or in any way a possible lynch soon. Still he was shot.

[Acosmist]

ok

so tomorrow what we need to do is lynch BloodCovenent

[Benmage]

ok

so tomorrow what we need to do is lynch BloodCovenent

Yes, after we lynch Tammy again.

Who I will repeat is the best lynch FOR THE TOWN.

[mastin2]

ThAd was almost universally null-to-scum in people's lists. There were decent cases showing why he was scum. There were many players who expressed interest in a ThAd lynch. There were almost none who opposed. Then, to top it all off, ThAd was caught lurking, having not posted despite being spotted online, increasing people's already quite substancial suspicions on him.

It. was. a. good. shot.

Yes. It hit town. But it was not a bad shot.

Shooting someone like Benmage, yes, that'd be a bad shot. Shooting someone like ThAd was

exactly

what she needed to do, and did.

[mastin2]

And again, I'll point out:
Tammy is not group-scum. She's lone-scum. She needs to get the game down to two players.
She's also responsible for the only scum death we've had so far.

The mafia are group-scum. They can win when they make up 50% of the town, and that's at a number substancially higher than for tammy, ~8.

The mafia are more of a threat than Tammy.
And Tammy is more of a threat to the mafia than she is to the town.

Ergo,

The mafia want Tammy dead more than the town do.

[mastin2]

Right now, we should be focusing on group-scum.
We KNOW that Tammy CAN'T be groupscum. And Tammy lynched will just produce dead town, with no dead scum.

We gain NOTHING from the Tammy lynch THAT WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE, yet we LOSE a valuable asset.

Compare and contrast to the scum. They know that Tammy is a thread, they know lynching Tammy will produce dead town, they know lynching Tammy will prevent there being dead scum, they know that they'll be removing a valuable town asset, and they know they can now focus their nightkill elsewhere. They GAIN a lot from a Tammy lynch and LOSE NOTHING.

[Yates]

What happens tomorrow when she rolls in with a fuckit mentality and shoots idno ... me the cop.

Ok. This is the first convincing argument you have made. I can only counter by asking you this; why didn't she shoot you if she knew she was going to be lynched anyway? THIS is why I believe her claim. She *could* have killed you but she didn't.

As to this:

Blocked nk equals I can be protected tonight.

Don't be too cavalier. Our Doc could be limited shot.

[mykonian]

ok, mastin, keep arguing with benmage then, I guess.

Mind if I sneak in a pidgey lynch in between?

vote pidgey

[Yates]

Yates

your

a fuckibg idiot.

Irony?

PereV can confirm that my default position on SK's is to lynch on site. I'm telling you that I think there was something wrong with your investigation or that your investigation result was misleading somehow. Can you confirm that your result determines alignment? Or is it something more vague like "this person can kill people?" As you know, there are games where the doctor can be mistaken for the SK because the doctor has a knife.

[mastin2]

Mind if I sneak in a pidgey lynch in between? vote pidgey

Nope, not really.

Unvote,
VOTE: pidgey.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm seriously at a loss here. The issue is that she is a thread to both teams and it benefits each team to let the OTHER team waste the lynch/kill on her.

So I don't know. I'm kind of leaning towards Benmage's logic that keeping her alive is high-risk high-reward and we don't necessarily need that. We're in a favorable position with the current flips and that Benmage will likely be able to get some nights of results back.

[mastin2]

A favorable position, might I remind you, THAT TAMMY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR.

[AngryPidgeon]

And Yates, what the actual fuck. Where is this "Tammy is innocent" stuff even remotely coming from? How likely is it that there is a framer specifically and that Tammy was framed over (Me/Zabriel/You!).

If Benmage is wrong about what his role does, then I will be pretty shocked.

[Benmage]

Flat out guilty and flavor suggests sane.

Stop overthinking.

Scum leads right now are not great.

She could be a second scumteam member.

Best option for town THAT ELIMINATES FUTURE RISK... is lynching Tammy now.... great you lynch her after she shoots me.... too fucking late than.

[mykonian]

Benmage, I really doubt that any mod would give a scumteam a daykill. It is near impossible to balance.

[AngryPidgeon]

I dunno. But Tammy is in a sort of kingmaker position if she wants it. Its definitely a high-risk / high-reward thing.

[Yates]

Where is this "Tammy is innocent" stuff even remotely coming from?

Read a few posts up. I think Mastin is thinking along the same lines as well.

Best option for town THAT ELIMINATES FUTURE RISK... is lynching Tammy now.... great you lynch her after she shoots me.... too fucking late than.

You still never answered my question. Why didn't scum/SK Tammy shoot you instead of ThAd?

Listen, dude, I think Town's mission in life right now is to keep you safe. I think scum know this. I think scum HAVE to target Tammy tonight. Why don't we compromise and lynch BC? We can lynch Tammy tomorrow after you have found a second[third?] scum. Deal? To me - this is a huge win and finishes the game before Day 5 at WORST.

[AngryPidgeon]

You still never answered my question. Why didn't scum/SK Tammy shoot you instead of ThAd?

Because SK Tammy shooting COP BEN gets power lynched so hard she doesn't know what hit her. Duh??

The ONLY play for SK Tammy is to kind of go along with trying to look like a Dayvig.

[AngryPidgeon]

Just a thought, what if Tammy is BP? Isn't it common for SK's to typically be BP or investigation immune? It could explain the lack of kill.

[mykonian]

seen her posts it wouldn't surprise me. That's fine. Either we lynch her now or we don't want her to die.

[Yates]

Because SK Tammy shooting COP BEN gets power lynched so hard she doesn't know what hit her. Duh??

The ONLY play for SK Tammy is to kind of go along with trying to look like a Dayvig.

EXACTLY! This is what I've been saying. We either have a day vig OR we have an SK that is EFFECTIVELY a day vig. She can't kill tonight since she already shot right? That means we get a Ben result tomorrow regardless. If she survives the night [SK's are typically BP right?], we direct her shot tomorrow and determine her fate based on the efficacy of her shot.

So, in practice:
We net a SECOND night without a Townie killed
We net a SECOND night of Cop results
We net a day kill of a potential scum read

How do we lose? Tammy, who didn't kill Ben today decides to kill Ben tomorrow only to get instalynched?

[Yates]

Oh I forgot:

BONUS: if Ben gets an innocent read tonight, Tammy takes care of Acos without us wasting a lynch.

This HAS to be the play.

[Acosmist]

The SK will suicide? Interesting strat

[Yates]

Your powers are weak, old man. They are only active at night.