Two-Headed Mafia 2 - GAME OVER!

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Original Roll String: 1d17

1 17-Sided Dice: (5) = 5

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unvote, vote: the silent speaker

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Clearly.

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Yea, that guy's scum, too.

FoS: Everyone not voting TSS/Yosarian2

pretty sure this is crap.


Can we get back to lynching glorkos?

Your defense of TSS/Yos2 is noted.

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I read Glork's posts and my first thought was, "Ohmygod, MOS is contagious." On second thought I'm not so sure. Glork has got to be trying out a new playstyle, and it's a pretty radical departure from what I've come to expect from him. That leads me to wonder if he's trying to cover something up.

When's the last time you've seen Glork be utterly and completely serious during the very beginning of a game? Feel free to link to specific games.

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oops I was GlorkoS

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"Your frantic attempts are directing attention away from yourself are noted. "


lol we don't wanted to be voted out >_>. Why are u even talkin then? You're just tryuin to make urself look good.

huh? In english, plz.

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I said STFU.

Overly defensive? Nonsensical attacks on others? Clearly he's TSS/Yos2's scumbuddy.

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Vote: Pablito

OMGUS

vote: Save the Dragons

i think we should be able to guiotine one person's head while leaving the other intact

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Can't we just use AIM?

duh.

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In fact, I imagine you'll soon lament your request for more content from Mr. Jelly.

My disadvantage is that I dont know a lot of players here. Still the things that used to crucify GL games - I dunno - seem worse here. Just look at dragon mafia that ran for a day 1 month.

Dont expect consistency from me. I get lynched all the time for changing my mind and contradicting myself. At the very least im glad to have another head to scream WTF at me in AIM...

One month for a single day isn't bad...wtf are you talking about?

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Pretty sure we should get back to lynching glorkos.

Coron, the "I'm going to vote for Glork in every game we play together" bit is actually getting a bit old. I suggest you put your vote somewhere useful.

I think it's amplified by the fact that he can also employ the "I like voting for MoS randomly a lot" bit at the same time.

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how is that lurker hunting? He just posted 2 above yours...

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OMG PJ IS LURKING!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!one!!!one11!!!!!!eleven!!!!!

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Oh, for Pete's sake. Half the reason I signed up for this game (even though I feel overloaded on games) is because I know I have a partner who can make up for my lack of posting and vice versa. I'll comment on this game when I find time, but it's fairly low on my priority list game-wise.

<3

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Vote Count:

Mini Neo/sprotalic - 3 - (the silent speaker/Yosarian2, H2 da Tizzle/themanhimself, armlx/Nightson)

ChannelDelibird/ziliu - 2 - (thestatusquo/ubertimmy, MrBuddyLee/petroleumjelly)
Eon/re2fan - 2 - (Fritzler/ibaesha, Mini Neo/sprontalic)
MrBuddyLee/petroleumjelly - 2 - (Eon/re2fan, Glork/MoS)

ambic/HyToFry - 1 - (ChannelDelibird/ziliu)
Glork/MoS - 1 - (Coron/DrippingGoofball)
H2 da Tizzle/Themanhimself - 1 - (bird1111/ShadowLurker)
lordy/spectrumvoid - 1 - (Pablito/Save The Dragons)
Pablito/Save The Dragons - 1 - (lordy/spectrumvoid)

If you're looking for a few other common abbreviations to make the typing less painful (I noticed you shortened my name to MoS), may I suggest DGB for DrippingGoofball, TSS for the silent speaker, STD for Save the Dragons, CDB for ChannelDelibird, and MBL for MrBuddyLee. Now, the first three are probably more imperative if you don't want them all to be abbreviated. Just thought I'd make the suggestion.

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well, the only people that know the truth about your role would be scumbuddies, if you were scum. So basically you're claiming to be scum, and they aren't voting you because they know the truth and don't want to bus you? Got it.

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I'm busy for a couple of days (>5) rushing out a big project. I'll let my other head do the talking.

you start projects 5 days in advance? holy crap. you call that rushing it? holy crap. You have two heads? holy crap.

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Thanks, MoS.

I'm assuming PookyTheMagicalBear can be called Pooky?

Pooky, Pooks, Pookster, P<3ky, HuggleMeister, etc.

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pook is the shortest.

wtf? Pook? Are you on crack or something? Who would call the great PookyTheMagicalBear a simple "Pook"??? Blasphemy.

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right-o

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I just told random thought. I have rights to say what i want or its illegal in this game?
Anyway for me it doesnt seem like you can see difference between noob and scum. Right now im kinda holding my eye on Sprotalic if that makes you feel better.

So, what...you're claiming to be suspicious of someone Ibby asked you for your opinion on just so she'll lay off you? You completely avoided answering her questions, even though you acknowledged that they were there. I think your attack on Ibby for being so protown that she's probably scum is bullshit, especially this early in the game. It looks to me like you're flailing scum who's worried because there is so much attention on you right now, so you're trying to appease whoever looks like they can get you off the hook, without actually thinking things through for yourself or presenting any real arguments.

Unvote, Vote: Eon

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unvote, vote: Glork

I don't know about you, partner, but when I see Glork's vote sitting somewhere useless for an extend period of time I tend to think he's either a) hung over or b) lazy scum. He's been voting for us for ages, which I don't particularly mind, but the vote's not doing ANY work.

I like the Latvian and his partner. "You know i look tasty at this moment, attack me while you have a chance people! If you get me lynched you will get cookie." is priceless. I disagree with the people who say Eon doesn't post content--he explains why he thinks the votes on him are crappy or inconsequential. That's a lot more than other people do, and not terrible for a newbie at all.

*poke* Pay attention, please. Just because Glork didn't move his vote doesn't mean his other head didn't. GlorkoS moved his vote, and that's all that matters.

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I just told random thought. I have rights to say what i want or its illegal in this game?
Anyway for me it doesnt seem like you can see difference between noob and scum. Right now im kinda holding my eye on Sprotalic if that makes you feel better.

So, what...you're claiming to be suspicious of someone Ibby asked you for your opinion on just so she'll lay off you? You completely avoided answering her questions, even though you acknowledged that they were there. I think your attack on Ibby for being so protown that she's probably scum is bullshit, especially this early in the game. It looks to me like you're flailing scum who's worried because there is so much attention on you right now, so you're trying to appease whoever looks like they can get you off the hook, without actually thinking things through for yourself or presenting any real arguments.

Unvote, Vote: Eon

Listen i just told there is always a chance i never told "I KNOW IBBY IS WITH MAFIA" And how am i worried? Listen vote against me and you will see how wrong you are what do i have to worry about?

You have plenty to worry about. Try

death

. Death never helps you, unless you have a special role which activates upon death, which I doubt. As was previously said, any time someone on your team gets lynched, that's bad, especially in the early game. So yes, you DO have something to worry about.

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Not liking the Eon wagon. Might be wrong but it seems more like newbishness than actual scumminess.

Surely he can't be so new that he's

that

unattentive and sloppy with his playstyle. It's almost like he doesn't care.

Listen im not playing theater here.
Im getting voted for telling what i think =] You know i look tasty at this moment, attack me while you have a chance people! If you get me lynched you will get cookie.

First vote against me in this game was "RANDOM" and i just joked on it, 2nd was FOS from ibaesha which i replied to joking style and attacked fan in that post. Then Fan tells "STFU" and then we get massive amounts of votes because i replied to fan "/holds his mouth" You guys, instead of looking at us should look at different people who hold for this situation.

Actually, if you bothered READING the arguments against you, your reply to fan doesn't really factor into our votes at all. I know for a fact that it has nothing to do with GlorkoS's vote, and I'm sure that most other people aren't voting for that reason, either. Try reading the thread rather than assuming you know what we're thinking.

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Well if you were in our position I'm sure you'd try to defend yourself before trying to accuse anyone else.

So you're more worried about protecting yourself than finding scum? While being worried about your own death is important, if you can find scum you can get them lynched instead of yourself anyways. Just defending yourself doesn't do any good. I have yet to see either of you actually put in a real effort of finding scum.

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Well I don't see any reason to really attack anyone yet ;], I think by defending my team, then it will hopefully take us out from the list of possible scum, and have ppl focus on who the scum really is. So i think that's the best we can do right now ;]

my last post was supposed to reply to this post, but I couldn't find it so I quoted the other one since it's essentially the same thing.

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So quote those things that did =]

I just told random thought. I have rights to say what i want or its illegal in this game?
Anyway for me it doesnt seem like you can see difference between noob and scum. Right now im kinda holding my eye on Sprotalic if that makes you feel better.

So, what...you're claiming to be suspicious of someone Ibby asked you for your opinion on just so she'll lay off you? You completely avoided answering her questions, even though you acknowledged that they were there. I think your attack on Ibby for being so protown that she's probably scum is bullshit, especially this early in the game. It looks to me like you're flailing scum who's worried because there is so much attention on you right now, so you're trying to appease whoever looks like they can get you off the hook, without actually thinking things through for yourself or presenting any real arguments.

Unvote, Vote: Eon

try reading the thread, douchebag. People aren't just voting you randomly, we ACTUALLY presented an argument WHEN we voted you.

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unvote, vote: eon

yea amb,a re yo uever going t odo simpsons deep soutyh?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/posting. ... e&p=446930
Famous words

In light of a reread, I'm going to unvote, vote: re2fan for his "STFU" post. He's a newbie, and from what I think newbie scums are the most likely to lash out in insult when they're jerked slightly

Those definately were great reasons =]

one person voted you for re2fan's STFU post, and fritzler voted you without reasoning, as he usually does. NEITHER of those votes were made for the reason you claimed, which was because of your response to fan. Also, 2 votes isn't a massive amount of votes, as you previously claimed.

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It begins here:

Eon has failed to give any suspicions even though it is clear he has no troubles with posting and reading the thread.

Then we get this sort of thing:

Tell me what you're doing to find scum, plz. thx.

Then I see this (and my internet dies...it's a sign!)

I have yet to see either of you actually put in a real effort of finding scum.

Doesn't it seem a little ironic to anyone else that the accusation is that Eonfan isn't looking for scum?

"we're looking for scum cuz you're not!"

Pre-emptive strike: My defense of Eon is noted.

How is that ironic? Scum, in an effort to not assist the town, are more likely to try and "contribute" to a game without actually contributing to the scumhunting process. It's a perfectly reasonable scumtell, especially among newer players.

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...So you're more suspicious of re2 and tsq than the person you're voting, but you'd rather keep your vote on that person than the people you suspect the most?

FoS: armlx

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Now that's just stupid. If they made that comment and were actually scum, whatever they did to try and direct the next lynch would be thrown out the window since THEY WERE SCUM. Now, saying this doesn't make them less suspicious (although it IS something to be considered if they are indeed protown), but it certainly DOES NOT make them more suspicious.

FoS: TSQ

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aww shit.

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Okaaaay this is very very bad.
Hrm well Glork heh its kinda interesting, everything you told is like "Lets hang those 2" But lets remember what Ibaesha told, im going to sound scummy but SHE WOULD DEFINATELY check spectrumvoid.
Glork so why dont you add them to suspect list?

Whether or not the cop would investigate someone isn't a good reason for us to meta-vote, especially since we don't have the results of said investigation. There are many reasons for a cop to investigate someone, and it doesn't always mean they check whoever is the scummiest. Therefore, making the assumption that the cop would indeed check spectrumvoid is merely a matter of opinion as to who you think is the scummiest. Since we, as my other head pointed out, were never sold on the SV/Lordy wagon, we have no reason to be going after them today. Even if Ibby would have checked SV, that STILL does not mean we should go after them, because we shouldn't just blindly follow the cop. Without knowing the results of their investigation, we have no way of knowing whether there suspicions we correct, so if we don't actually think they are suspicious, it's a really bad strategy to just go after whoever we think the dead cop *might've* investigated.

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2) lordSV is pro-town, scum killed person who was suspecting us the most to frame us.

The reason they might've investigated you is what makes you suspicious. 'Framing' on you wouldn't have had much effect until it was revealed the target was a cop.
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Scum couldn't have known leaving Ibby alive could result in an investigation result on you, so that can't be the reason they got killed, unless -of course- you did it to avoid being investigated.

Are you suggesting here that scum can't have known Ibby was a cop

unless

said scum was Spectrum?

Near as I can see, spectrum's claim's a fairly standard one - scum pick a target and NK the main accusers of that target to make the target look like scum NKing their worst enemies. Standard discussion with unfortunate WIFOM limitations (you can't take it as evidence of the potential targets' innocence, since then if they

were

scum they'd be even more likely to NK the most troublesome ones)

This is what I was getting at, Mgm. You can't come to any solid conclusions because it's wifom whether Ibby was killed to stop her from pressuring SV-scum or if they were killed to make SV-town seem even more suspicious to those who wagoned them yesterday.

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hehe, oh well, time to make better choices ppl =[. so anyone hazzard a guess on how many cops we have left? /is not a cop

How is Adele doing with that PBAC thingy! LoL

Right now i have my FOS on:

Armlx-nightson -- acts weird
Zilu/Delibird
SpectrumVoid/Lordy
Glock/MOS


now i would have to say FOS is the same on all of those ppl except, Glock/MOS

and though we agree on Armlx, that may be his evil strategy.

poor ibesha =[ /never liked doctors

No...just...no. Never speculate something like that again, please. Trying to figure out how many of a power role we have left is far more helpful to the scum than to us. The only use knowing how many cops we have left would be to us is that we would know that someone was lying if we had more cop claims than there were cops in the game. However, we have no way of proving how many cops we have, so the scum can easily affect the speculation to try and make it seem like there are more cops than they think there are, enabling them to safely claim cop. Also, no one should EVER claim to not be a cop, because that just narrows down the scum's choices on who they need to kill the next night.

Would you care to explain your FoS on us? Also, I'm sure my other head would appreciate it if you took the small effort of spelling his name correctly. He is not a gun, he is a Glork.

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You have a lot to learn, young padawan. Attune yourself to the Force, you must.

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I think trying to pick out scummy things and poking people to see their reactions is pro-townish.

and? what's your point? care to reference someone you see doing this, or are you just bring Captain Obvious?

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*zzZZzzZZzzIagreezzZZzzZZzz*

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Hmm. I always seem to forget about the specifics of this game easily, probably because of the inordinate amount of non-content early on.

In any case, I think a couple of my opinions were deleted, specifically one where I noted that I think Glork/MoS have been acting as a sort of "protector" for Eon/Re2, which I find rather disturbing (as in, whenever Eon/Re2 come under fire, one of the two of them always seems to bring up a new topic of dicussion, or they directly try to quash the suspicions on Eon/Re2).

FoS: Glork/MoS

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I will, however, need to discuss this game with MBL, since the two of us have (unfortunately) very different opinions on the state of the game (at least as of about a week ago). In particular, I don't believe he fully agrees with our vote being Eon/Re2, but I am not 100% sure on that subject. We'll get back to you on that.

You fail to note that we were also one of the hardest pushers against Eon/Re2 yesterday, so we haven't been protecting them this whole time. As for today, their reactions seem genuine, and we've said so. We've also stated our own suspicions. I don't see how you can see it as scummy just because we decided we don't suspect those two anymore, and we're actually offering up our own opinion as to who is scum. If we're going to get berated for offering a differing opinion, why are we playing at all?

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lolz reading comprehension ftl

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You called?

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Vacation until a week from monday

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I'm here, but busy. Watching Kevin Smith movies all day

And finals this week, so...

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So basically, you're saying you're not willing to put any effort into a game after complaining that most mafiascum games are full of pure dribble, which is generally caused by people not putting any effort into the game. Good job there, hypocrit.

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You MOS have made 44 posts. Look how much of it is dribble? Let me quote some...

I'm here, but busy. Watching Kevin Smith movies all day
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You called?
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*zzZZzzZZzzIagreezzZZzzZZzz*
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You have a lot to learn, young padawan. Attune yourself to the Force, you must.
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aww shit.
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Right-o

etc... Those are entire posts. And theres more. Yet this said you are better than most, but when most of the game is made up of post fillers, I don't see how I'm supposed to conclude anything. Anything I presume about who is scum has to be tempered by the fact that there isn't enough content to back me up. Thus without a bandwagon forming for very little reason, I'm not likely to be followed. TO make matters worse there isn't anyone I remotely feel is or isnt scum due to the posting quality.

Where did I say I was better than most? And wth does that mean? Better than most? Better at what?

And I don't see how you proving that there are dribble posts helps your case. I never said there weren't dribble posts. In fact, I never made any claims. I merely asked you to clarify your position, because it looks pretty hypocritical from here.

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"Yet, this said, you are (still) better than most..." is how it's to be interpreted.

You said "So basically, you're saying you're not willing to put any effort into a game after complaining that most mafiascum games are full of pure dribble, which is generally caused by people not putting any effort into the game. Good job there, hypocrit."
The claim against you is that you yourself are being hypocritical by calling her a hypocrit, because you

yourself

are not posting content... and then semi-attacking ambic for not wanting to take an effort into posting content in a game where it probably won't be read, and no one will take an effort to respond, etc.

Ah, ok. I was confused about that.

Here's the thing. I'm not being a hypocrit, because I'm not claiming to have a problem with Amb not posting content, EXCEPT for the fact that he complained about other people not posting content. I'm calling Amb a hypocrit for complaining about people not posting content. I myself am not complaining about people not posting content, so I can't be a hypocrit by calling Amb a hypocrit.

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I think Pooky's got it.

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Original Roll String: 1d8

1 8-Sided Dice: (6) = 6

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Vote: Lowell/Sprontalic

I'm a cop, I got them guilty about 60 seconds ago.

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No, I'm serious. I'm a daycop, and I just got you guilty.

Day 1, I got armlx/Zindaras innocent (random choice), and Day 2 Eon/Re2fan came up innocent as well (I had been suspicious of them day 1). I felt that it wasn't worth exposing myself as a cop to save them, although I did my best to say they were innocent and try to get someone else lynched. And now I just got you guilty.

May I also point out that Lowell's first response was to think that I had sanity issues, instead of thinking that I might be scum lying to get him lynched. This is something that scum are prone to do (believing claims that incriminate them but trying to find ways to make themselves innocent without disputing the claim). I think it's fairly obvious here that Lowell/Sprontalic are scum.

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armlx/Zindaras?

That's an odd target.

Also, hate to be a metagamer, but I doubt that Courk would be so quick to send a PM.

I don't buy this for one moment.

read my post. I specified that it was a random choice. I used the dice function in my notes.

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o.O

SV, you've played in like 50 games on mafiascum and were nominated for "Most Prolific" player for the 2006 scummies, and you've never head of the cult role? WTF?

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Please vote Lowell/Sprontalic, they're scum. My other head thought it would be funny to claim scum since he doesn't have time for this game anymore, especially since someone seems to think we're scum. Cops are often considered to have guns when the gunsmith role is used, since RL cops usually do carry guns. The gunsmith claim could also be a lie, however, which would give us two scum now. This is a pretty open and shut case. Lynch Lowell/Sprontalic, then SV/klebian.

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I will not quote night conversation. However, here is how things went roughly in my mind:

Night One:

StD and Pablito are bickering with each other in-thread. I had considered using this as scum in order to draw an investigation towards me {since I figured we had some sort of investigation immunity}. This led me to believe Std/Pablito were doing something similar, and thus likely to be SK. I had them killed.

Night Two:

I actually don't quite remember how we came to decide on killing TSS/Yos2. Probably because TSS was suspicious of Glork, and we didn't want him to expand on those thoughts. Also, they were rather difficult for us to read, so better off with them dead.

I wanted TSS/Yos2 dead, actually.

Day Three:

I watch as Pooky-Adele do absolutely nothing to stop their lynch. I am thoroughly disgusted, especially since neither of them ever contributed to night discussion.

Night Three:

I told scum-buddies that Amb was very likely the SK/Vig, and that spec/kleb were likely a third Cop or a Cult Leader with a failed recruit. I wanted to kill spec/kleb. But Glork was worred about Thesp catching him. So once again, we do what was in the best interest of Glork.

Day Four:

I watch in exasperation as Glork-MoS follow in Pooky/Adele's footsteps. Neither of them had ever really contributed to night discussion either, except to suggest we kill people who were suspicious of

them

. How ironic that they get called out as scum by the very person I wanted to kill, and the best they can do is roll over and die. Once again, I am disgusted. Also at this point I become very ticked that I was given "high-profile" partners, since that greatly increases the chances that we will either be investigated, a cult recruit target, role-blocked, or killed by SK (since we couldn't be sure if we were dealing with SK or Vig).

Note that my first post that day was after Glrok had already claimed scum, there wasn't much I could do at that point except run interference and confuse everyone.

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I must note that I had a lot of fun playing after Glork basically claimed scum for us. The reactions of some of the players to my posts were absolutely hilarious.