Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Legacy (Game Over)

[AngryPidgeon]

I still maintain a Zab flip will go a long way to help determine the alignment of Acosmist

How exactly? Does scum Zab point to Scum Acosmist?

Instead of try to smooth things over and explain away the heat on him he just leaves with saying a bunch of nonsense. And there's a distinct lack of

scumhunting too

anything.

I played in a game where IaI posted a scum QT link from another ongoing game just to make a shitty point against MoI. He also self-hammered in that game. Hes not exactly the paragon of good play.

Jason, Yates and Nero are town because of the dayvig/AV action.

What about it makes them town exactly?

zabriel is setting off the scumdar. His speculation of the possibility of having more than 1 mafia, indicates that he may know a bit more than he's letting on.

Really, you think hes so bold as to start suggesting that in the thread as scum?

I also don't like how he had to add his comment in the exchange between myself and Zoroaster. It feels like he was trying to deflect attention (which I point out), because of the heat being put on him.

Because trying to get people to not wagon you is a scumtell.

This coming from the guy who is accuse me of OMGUSing you because you apparently made a case on IaI that I haven't read yet.

Did you vote IaI ever? I think you said about 2 sentences about him IIRC. Gratz.

@ kise -

when I first started reading the game I got a knee jerk scum read on yates based on his Sheeping of shariza on BC

. However, as the wagon started building based on his questioning of Jason, that started to lessen because I have a hard time reconciling scum Yates continuing the line of questioning when he was being criticized and gaining votes for it. It, however, did not make my scum read go completely away wherein I support the wagon for pressure sake. Will I support his lynch today? Probably not, but pressure on him to help me get a read, absolutely. I'm torn on Yates, even after I just said that I was feeling better about him, I was coming in here to ask him if BC was his pony right now why wasn't he actually pressuring him or commenting on him.

You say you're confused, you're no more confused than I am. Well, I'm not confused just in a state of self doubt. In the only game that I have experience with Yates he was a strong town read. I'm pretty sure I only started to doubt him a little near end game just before he night killed me. I have a really hard time reading people when this is my only experience, so I imagine it's possible I'll be paranoid about him for the remainder of the time we're alive.

@Tammy: What is scummy about the bolded?

Oh, maybe I misread. You said that yates is townier for his AV interactions? I read as you giving a pass to jason for his AV interactions but not Yates.

Spoiler: Fuck replacing in, people always call catchup posts scummy

I'm willing to believe Acosmist here. Nero's criticism of the jason wagon comes off as a little funny after he just jumped off it.

That being said, it would be way too terribad if he did that as scum, so I'm going to say town here.

Nero Cain's buddy detected.

Zabriel is a townread for aserting that there is an Acosmist wagon when there isn't in post 187. Too derp to come from scum, etc. And he outright does not know how fake claims work (or is pretending not to!, but no seriously).

Nero is still scum for pushing derp-town Zabriel.

Post 203: Zabriel still town. Although his Nero town read is ?

YES I READ > 100 POSTS BETWEEN THOSE STATEMENTS. NICE TRY THOUGH.

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Post 160: RapidCanyon wall. With a lot of opinions I don't understand and analysis that looks forced. If it were anyone else, I'd say they are prob scum. FWIW, I think that anyone that talks about themselves getting "mislynched" is more likely scum than not. Seriously this post is one enormous waffle, even for RC. And he places his vote down on someone that has made one post

(that he happens to agree with).

Ok. Lol and he FoS's PV and Shah for talking about his self-vote. Oh god, just kill it already.

This is my first large theme game, but I have to agree that speculating on PRs and alignment this early is dangerous. Wouldn't this type of discussion be more suited for D2?

poor post, no real content, no vote, no pressure
+scum points.

Agree actually

Oh, god are you about to pull "You can't agree with your scumreads on something because of cog dis" out on me? You are not MoI, so don't.

P-edit: Memond, read on Zabriel right now?
Is IaI replacing out a scumtell?

[Melmond]

Oh also,
@Tammy and Benmage: Why are you two voting me? You gave no reason along with the vote.

[Melmond]

P-edit: Memond, read on Zabriel right now?
Is IaI replacing out a scumtell?

Right now, I'm leaning town on zabriel.
And no, I don't think him replacing out is a scumtell, he said earlier that he had a lot going on in is life, I'll take his word for it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya. Melmond should die too.

Votes Zabriel for gut.
Switches to BC for doubting the Acosmist claim.
FoS's Acosmist.
Defends Zabriel from the 2-team slip attack.
???
Townread on Zabriel.

[Melmond]

Votes Zabriel for gut.
Switches to BC for doubting the Acosmist claim.
FoS's Acosmist.
Defends Zabriel from the 2-team slip attack.
???
Townread on Zabriel.

It was more than doubting the claim. He wanted to policy lynch him for it. Along with the other stuff I said.
Just because I currently think Acosmists claim is plausible, doesn't mean that I'm not going to scumhunt him.
As for Zabriel, my opinion of him changed. A lot happened and some good points were brought out that changed this.

[Acosmist]

If you are being serious you might want to check your iso.

Answering people's specific questions about my claim != me not being able to stop talking about it

Good to know you're going to bat for him, though. Makes me feel good about catching ALL the scums!

[Acosmist]

Seriously, the more I think about this the more I'm wondering how much we can forgive people for being village idiots. What exactly is a person supposed to do when pressed about the claim he made post 1? Ignore those posts completely? Because if someone ANSWERING DIRECT QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF IGNORING THEM somehow evinces an obsession of mine, then [arbitrary conclusion because seriously premise is false in all possible worlds]. I can guarantee that if I hadn't answered those questions, I would be getting heat for that from the same quarters.

So nope.

[Kise]

@Mel, I didn't know that that was what ThAd's 277 was about. What do you think about Kublai?
@AP, you gave the slight about RC agreeing with someone (had to be for a reason against RC). Just showing the 2-way street, is all. Plus poking at you.

Aco is trolling the fuck out of you guys and I LOVE IT.

[Acosmist]

I love myself too

[Nero Cain]

AP mudslings and Nero responds

Spoiler:

Spoiler: NeroCain wall with responses

Wait. What is this Zab wagon? He simply looks like someone not paying attention to the game to me. His ISO is all of 8 posts of -meh- What am I missing, here?

Quite a lot Yates.

First he jumps on the easy/lame Jason wagon.
1.

Lol, Jason deserved/s votes. Zabriel being on the wagon is not scummy

Then he criticizes me for jumping off of the dumb Jason wagon that ended up forming.
2.

Yes, YOUR interactions with the jason wagon are scummy. not Zabriels

3.And then he's like "welp I'm not doing anything since I'm playing high"

Smearing, misrepping. There are also other lurkers (like IaI, AV, Shah). Why are you misrepping Zabriel and accusing him of not participating.

He's ignoring

EVERYTHING

coming his way.

And I don't think he's scum hunting at all.
4.

Its not good scum hunting, but he at least has opinions on the Acosmist claim and suspicions thereof.

5.

@Zab

-Did you think KK's vote on you was SRS or RVS? If you thought it was serious why did you not respond?

Because not responding is totally a scum tell. Not.

Why did you not answer Ben when he asked what you meant by "playing high" and what did you mean?

Really? Who cares. You are just posting for the sake of posting now.

Why did you not respond to

Nero's criticism of the jason wagon comes off as a little funny after he just jumped off it.

No. Just no. I didn't join any Jason wagon. Yes I voted Jason but that was just RVS. You earn 5 scum Sickles for trying to rewrite history.

If you think scum are the one's pressuring Aco why are you not attacking any of them?

6.

I don't feel very confident in my reads until day 2 usually.

What would change between day 1 and 2?

I don't know. A flip? Maybe 2?

Acosmist seems town, and his claim seems legit. I think the FOXDIE part seems like a good explanation to the role.
Right now, out of what has been posted, Yates seems the scummiest to me. His role/flavor fishing doesn't seem good, especially because I get the feel that he's experienced enough to know that that isn't a good thing to do.
I need to do some ISO's and stuff though.

cool beans though we are talking about Zab now. What do you think of him?

7. LOL, stop redirecting Melmond's attention.

1.lol no. AVscum was on this wagon since it was an EZ hop. It doesn't nessisatily mean that Zab and Zor are scum just b/c they were on a wagon with scum but it does show that scum hopped on the Jason wagon and that others may have. Your position that Jason deserved votes is fucking derpy. He's atleast 50% confirmed town.

2. There was no

WAGON

. A wagon sprung up after I RVSed him but I never joined anything. Hence Zab's and your point is full of fail.

3. He was asked about this. He didn't respond so that's his fault not mine.

4. Opinions=//=scumhunting.

5. It can be, yes.

6. Well we've had a flip so he can start doing shit now.

7. But the Acomist crap is so page 4. We are long past that and its time to disscuss other players.

no its lurkergate. And given that AV scum was mad lurking we probs have other scum lurking.

1.Because obviously one lurking scum means that more are. Derp.

lol @ PV scumhunting AV after he got shot.

2. That is a town tell if anything though.

But at the same time, scum are also very likely to call their pusher town in an attempt to get the pusher to back off.

3. What? Nope. Nice excuse to keep pushing Zabriel though.

God I hope as I read further someone corrected this^.

@zabriel Sometimes mods will not include main characters (I know crazy). And also sometimes they won't include them, BUT they will give them to scum as SAFECLAIMS.

This makes Zabriel town though, no? I mean as long as were giving jason town points for slipping . Except Zabriel is too new to likely be pulling a BS stunt.

4.

FoS Kublai Khan

for his Zabriel case. Nope. For someone willing to give townpoints to jason for slipping, you don't see Zabriel's

misunderstanding of safe claims

to be townie? Especially considering hes not likely to be "purposely town slipping". Nope. And more nope. And a token 'why' tossed to Thadmiral about why he thinks the Zabriel wagon is shit.

That last post from IAI sucks dick!!!. I think its a slight scumtell to ISO since you should be reading the whole game instead. + it looks like jumping on the highest wagon instead of trying to find who the scummiest player is 'cause THE WHOLE "CATCHUP" POST IS DEDICATED TO ZAB. I simply do not get a town vibe from this 'cause I think you'd have more to say then just about one person.

I have an incredibly desire to switch gears and kill IAI.

5.ITT: Nero Cain preemptively prepares to jump ship to an IaI wagon pending general response. The town motivation behind your posts is blinding.

Why would you [IaI] join a game to be v/la for the first two weeks... Mind blowing...[/quote
6. This

1. Is this your first large? Scum lurk like crazy in larges.

2.Cool but I never said anything about it being scummy. Read better.

3. You either have no experience on this site or you are an alt playing like he's new since scum call their pusher town all the time.

4. Defend Zab harder!!! Zab wan't saying anything about that he didn't understand the term fake claim. How you got that, idk.

5.Yep. I looked into my crystal ball and it told me that there would be a IAI wagon forming soon. *facepalm*

6.We'll let Ben answer this but I don't think he was saying anything about IAI being a town read for that.

[Nero Cain]

you do know what he's doing right?

I think I do, actually.

IMO, I think he's just mudslinging and trying to make things personal so he and/or his buddies can be all like "herr derr Nero doesn't like AP" so silly players will be less likely to vote him"

His slot needs death and he needed it 6 pages ago.

[AngryPidgeon]

Lol Nero you just fenced about this slot 6 pages ago and looked to see if there was support for the wagon. I can't even believe no one called you on it so far. And you are slipping AND ADMITTING I AM TOWN:

Is AP usually this terrible?

Please explain to me how this DOES NOT IMPLY I AM TOWN.

And what is your read on Melmond.

Looking at wall..

[rapidcanyon]

I am not entirely sure that it was a dayvig that killed AV as opposed to a daytime serial killer. AV made 4 posts and none of them seemed really scummy to me when read while ignoring the fact that we already know his alignment. So, why would a dayvig feel the need to shoot so quickly and on someone who barely had any posts?

Not for nothing but if I didn't see the daykill in my preview edit, AV's name would have been on my list too. He didn't do anything obvscum, but his contributions weren't informative or pro-town at all. I'ma say town dayvig because they could have killed off a townish player instead of AV and - barring a forensics type role - would not have been sniffed out.

unvote
vote: i am guilty

kekekeke

BUT, not if they want to fake-claim DayVig.

Still catching up.

[Kise]

Is AP usually this terrible?

Please explain to me how this DOES NOT IMPLY I AM TOWN.

[Nero Cain]

lol @ AP thinkin' I called him town.

Melmond is fairly scummy I guess but there are scummier players in the game like you, snifit and Zab.

[Kise]

!@#$%^&*()

I'm not trying to bully you or anything AP. What Nero said could apply to you at any alignment.

[Acosmist]

!@#$%^&*()

I'm not trying to bully you or anything AP. What Nero said could apply to you at any alignment.

If only town could be terrible, what would happen when terrible players got a scum role PM? Universe explodes? They suddenly become good even though they aren't? Pretty sure that's still universal explosion.

[rapidcanyon]

Catching up from I left off. I am writing as I read through. I like the Admiral's post 193, it is logical and makes sense overall.

Um, post 193 was authored by Jason...

My mistake, it was 173.

AngryP's 408. Yeah, Angry is a

lot

better than this as town from the games I've played with him. I am not sure if his substandard play indicates scum though.

@ AP, can you give me a couple of links to your scum games?

Also, his aggression seems misplaced. He seems to be jumping onto anything and everything to make people look scummy. NeroCain, Zab, BC, me, Acosmist, that's a lot of scum reads. He also seems to be jumping to conclusions - something I know he doesn't do as town but instead carefully analyzes every possibility.

He also generally controls the game and keeps everyone on track acting as a town leader. But this game, NeroCain seems to be doing it and AP is just being aggressive with no direction.

Vote is staying on AP. IAI's poor play doesn't help his case either. I voted for IAI but just to make sure.

Kise, don't try to make sense of what AP is typing. He'll have called everyone in the game scum by the end of D2 at the latest.

So, you are saying AP is bad as town? This is untrue from my experience.

Is AP usually this terrible?

No, he is scum. I am confident about this.

Look at Possesed Pastors in a Paranoid Parish Mafia where he was town. He caught scum day 1 and later led the town to victory. Also, he played just as well in an ongoing game where he was night killed and town.

VOTE: AngryPidgeon

[rapidcanyon]

Catching up from I left off. I am writing as I read through. I like the Admiral's post 193, it is logical and makes sense overall.

Um, post 193 was authored by Jason...

My mistake, it was 173.

AngryP's 408. Yeah, Angry is a

lot

better than this as town from the games I've played with him. I am not sure if his substandard play indicates scum though.

@ AP, can you give me a couple of links to your scum games?

Also, his aggression seems misplaced. He seems to be jumping onto anything and everything to make people look scummy. NeroCain, Zab, BC, me, Acosmist, that's a lot of scum reads. He also seems to be jumping to conclusions - something I know he doesn't do as town but instead carefully analyzes every possibility.

He also generally controls the game and keeps everyone on track acting as a town leader. But this game, NeroCain seems to be doing it and AP is just being aggressive with no direction.

Vote is staying on AP. IAI's poor play doesn't help his case either. I voted for IAI but just to make sure.

Kise, don't try to make sense of what AP is typing. He'll have called everyone in the game scum by the end of D2 at the latest.

So, you are saying AP is bad as town? This is untrue from my experience.

Is AP usually this terrible?

[/quote]

No, he is scum. I am confident about this.

Look at Possesed Pastors in a Paranoid Parish Mafia where he was town. He caught scum day 1 and later led the town to victory. Also, he played just as well in an ongoing game where he was night killed and town.

VOTE: AngryPidgeon

[Acosmist]

You seriously need to not even talk about ongoing games. You're putting them in play by mentioning them. Bad form, dude.

[rapidcanyon]

Sorry, forget the ongoing game then. Look at DarthYoshi's Possesed Pastors mafia. AP zoned in on scum-Tierce on day 1. Nobody else was able to figure it out, but AP later led the town on a game winning lynch.

[AngryPidgeon]

I do not care. Hes asking if I ALWAYS play this way. As if to imply something is off. I frankly do not care. I will gloat when he flips scum, post game or whatever. That is all.

@Kise: Frankly do not care.

P-edit: in a game of lol. What are you talking about RC?

[Acosmist]

I will gloat when he flips scum, post game or whatever.

Yeah this attitude is making my vote feel at home

getting some hot chocolate brewing

cozy fire

it's settling in for the night

[Kise]

@ AP, can you give me a couple of links to your scum games?

[AngryPidgeon]

Have none. enjoy.