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This makes no sense. You say that had you not realized he was 1 from lynch, you would have done the same thing I did, but you wouldn't have stated your reasons, which is all my 'overly apologetic unvote' was? Stated reasons. In fact, nowhere in my unvote did I do anything remotely apologetic. I just unvoted, and explained why. You then go ahead and place a vote on me for something 'you would have done yourself.'think that much pressure on somebody is not deserved if you don't have a reason. And that quick and very apologetic unvote seems fishy too. What I'm saying is, maybe not so much the quick unvote, (I would probably have quickly unvoted if it really was true that I didn't realise he was one from a lynch) but more the apologetic excuse seems like a slight over-reaction. Anyway, it deserves a vote.
Keeping in mind you've been lurking, and your first post on the page is just a bandwagon hop restating others reasons, and using crap logic, I think it warrants a
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I will admit that what I did looked scummy, but that's because I wasn't aware of the vote count, and what I like to do day one is form wagons to gain information. I unvoted when I realized that he was one from lynch, which was not 'backpeddling' or 'over apologetic' as some seem to think, but was the right play.
I'll claim if you want, but like... It was really just a stupid mistake on my part.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Uh....
Two different people. Two different justifications...Isn't that funny?
I voted Elias to put the bandwagon to the point where thered be a significant ammount of pressure. I put on too much pressure, because I did not realize it would put him one from lynch.
Those two posts are directed at Ziliu and are backing up what I said originally in post 45.
I guess I'm not the only one who needs to learn to read the thread.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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MAFIA 101 FOR ELIAS BECAUSE HE'S AN IDIOT: Day one is random. In order to stimulate discussion, people form bandwagons, because they force reactions. That was the justification for joining the wagon. The same justification EVERY OTHER PERSON ON IT HAD. Sorry everyone, this may seem a bit defensive, but it really isn't. I'm just frustrated that this is the third time I've had to explain this.perhaps you felt that i was lurking after a total absense of less than a day? what exactly was the reasoning behind joining that wagon in the first place.
The tail end of this has been covered above. But additionally, ZOMGURSTUPID Have you not read the entire last page of the thread, which has been devoted to discussing the relative truth or untruth of my statement that I did not know I was putting you one from lynch?signifigant pressure for what? you must have noticed at least that i had 3 votes on me already, and that's certainly enough to require a response from me. what was the point of another vote at all?
Additionally, since I have already offered to claim if need be, your further attacking me is meaningless unless you're trying to get a concensus to overrule wuffles.
Those last two votes struck me as wrong, as they seem quite a bit more defensive from Elias then would be normal seeing as he is no longer under significant pressure, and the points he is raising have already been discussed. Am I right here, or am I way off?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Uh...Elias, I think I responded to your main point pretty well.
@ Wuffles. Conceded, sorry for misunderstanding.
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While it's true that many others haven't been posting (First of all, yes, maybe I've been lurking, depends how you choose to define lurking. But if I've been lurking, many many more people in this game have been lurking.
But I do acknowledge that you have a point in your defense. I probably was a bit unclear, but what I was trying to convey was that it was not so much the unvote in itself which my scumdar pinged on, but more the tone of the post in which the unvote was contained. Call it a hunch.
Then you say that I just bandwagon restating others' opinions. Well, I have to say that I consider that better than very blatantly bandwagonning someone to lynch minus one without stating any reaons whatsoever.
I won't like a claim from you though. Not yet. Though I'm curious to hear what others think about thestatusquo.mod note: Can we get prods, please?I find the kind of lurking where you post without saying much to be far more likely to be a sign of a good scum player.
And no, it's not better, because while mine was a mistake, yours was a very calculated move, which makes it more suspicious in my eyes.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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K.Uh, no, I'm still happy with my vote where it is
I'm actually happy with not voting at the moment. My biggest suspect is elias still, based off of his extremely defensive reactions.Ahem, back to business. Well, with this TSQ stuff cleared up, lets put some pressure on the lurkers, eh?
Vote: Luna.
I could be persuaded to go lurker hunting. But only for Ziliu.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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K. So. That's your only response after not posting anything since your overly defensive begining to day one, and saying you didn't see anything at all by page 4? Not good enough. Not good enough at all.unvote, vote lunalovegoodThis puts her at three. See, I learned my lesson.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Hey, Ziliu. If you're going to mislead the town, I would suggest that you do it by NOT POSTING CONTENT THAT PROVES YOU WRONG IN YOUR OWN CASE. Kthx bye.
[what]made you change your mind?
Well, maybe THIS:
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2)That's your only response after not posting anything since (insert last post here.)
3) and that's her only response to being called out is a determined refusal to be productive.saying you didn't see anything at all by page 4?
So. Three responses, WITHIN your last post that tell you why I voted her, aside from lurker hunting. If you had ANY patience at all. you'd have noticed that I said a POST EARLIER that I was making up my case, and planning to post it after class.
I reiterate. Learn to read.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Ziliu, I never said I was sure you were scum at all. In fact, I never even voted you. Nice job with the improvement of the reading skills, though, because I didn't change my vote after norinel voted, but instead after luna refused to respond to the case against her. I did so with a plethora of reasons that you've already admitted I supplied, and a warning to others where she was in the lynch count. What exactly was scummy about it?
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No mafia, already under suspicion would OMGUS as blatantly as she just did, so I am very inclined to believe in her noobness right now. So,lunalovegood wrote:Okay here you go a complete sentance happy? Andvote: TheStatusQuobecause you all said to make a decision and that is mine and i know this is going to get a ton of complaints but that is my opinion.unvoteand we'll see what happens from heretout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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And wuffles, that's my response to the request. All my reasons typed out. (I like to say things like "she's scum obv." in order to get someone posting, not necessarily because I'm sure. I thought the jokng nature of that tone of voice was easy to pick out. I guess I was wrong.)
While I WASN'T sure she was scum, I was very suspicious, but I think she just pushed herself over the suspicious threshold, and into the 'too guilty to be guilty catagory,' and I will not support any lynch or bandwagon of her.
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Those aren't actually reasons. But ok.
Yes, of course you're allowed to defend yourself, but overly defensive reactions are often a scum tell, because a town doesn't really need to be desperate, because they have nothing to hide. Defend yourself with logic, not emotional appeals.What, I'm not allowed to defend myself? And yes, I know I over-reacted, but I tend to get overly-defensive over everything.
@cdb:Um vote without a reason? You could have at least said "I'm jumping on the band wagon" or something.
It was not a false accusation. He posted once, (after his random vote, that was my mistake.) rehashing others opinions. That is lurking, friend. I'm starting to get awfully suspicious of you, townies don't need to invent reasons to push their case.No, you FoSed him for lurking, which was a false accusation. You said you would only lurker hunt if it was for Ziliu, which suggests that you already felt he was scum(my).
It's actually none of that. It's a gut feeling that she's playing too poorly to be scum. And that's all I advertised it as. Again, townies don't need to invent cases...WIFOM, craplogic, BS...seriously, this is a non-argument. Newbies are just as likely to be scum as they are to be townies, no matter how ridiculously scummy they may be. Note that I do not support a luna wagon at this time, but your reasons for hopping off it are crap.
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I think this has already been extensively covered in the thread. Read please.
See response one.I saw where you were coming with the reasoning but he has a right to defend himself.
[quoteI didn't post my reasons before because I was in a rush and I know I should have so yeah I'm sorry. That's all I can say now because I obviously can't go back and fix it. [/quote]
You know...Right now, I'm honestly not sure if you're just a noob town player or a noob scum player. I'm learning towards you being town, but statements like that make me start to lean the other way.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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The 'accident' that you keep mentioning IS the defense. It was a day one wagon to put pressure, I didn't know how close to lynch she was.
Guys, this is distracting us. I am town, we need to focus on finding scum. Since I am not scum, all you guys are doing is throwing out red herrings. Perhaps you're scum trying to push a lynch on a town, or perhaps you're just a bad town player, but either way, you're not helping the town by focusing on me like this.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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-Ok, fair point. I didn't think of it that way. I'm still not scum, though.ziliu wrote: <snip>
1. hypocrisy: Accusing me of bandwagonning when you do the same without giving reasons
Let me repeat this, because you still seem to be inable to read. I NEVER VOTED YOU. EVER. I FOSd YOU BUT I NEVER EVER VOTED YOU. Everyone has been pointing out what they find suspicious. That's how this game is played. I have shown why I thought Luna was scummy, and now I tend to think that she's 'too scummy to be scummy' So I'm not voting atm, waiting for something scummy to come up.2. Vote-hopping (from me to luna) and accusing people left and right, probably to get attention off yourself
That is because up until now I had not heard any argument against me besides "HE PUT HIM ONE FROM LYNCH LOLz." So I was inclined to believe it was scum throwing out red herrings, and focusing on a moderately scummy thing I did accidentally to force a bad lynch. You just actually posted reasoning, which makes me inclined to believe you're not scum. Not sure about CDB though.3. Desperately using non-arguments (I'm town, you should be focused on scum) to try to draw attention on oneself.
I have responded to every point made against me.In general, I feel that you have very strongly played to get focus elsewhere without addressing the points made against you.
My style is a little bit abbrasive and rude. I find that this gets the most reaction out of people, and helps me judge scum the best. It is not by any means 'a non pro town' style. Like, there are some rediculous styles, Lordy in scum chat just basically shouts "I'M SCUM." over and over again, so I don't think you can accuse me based soley off my playstyle. It seems to me like it would be the same regardless of like...what role I have. :rolleyes:And instead rely on an aggressive attitude and tone in your post towards other players to ridicule to put everyone who's trying to say anything against you in a bad light. Which, IMHO, is not pro-town behaviour.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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@CDB. My claim is what my pm says I am. I'd be willing to be any other vanilla can confirm it.
@Wuffles. I already posted defenses, but people did not believe them. I got frustrated, and thats what came out.
@Everyone. Vote for me if you like, I'm town, but vanilla, so voting me might not be a terrible play, certainly better than lynching power, or even outing power. But mafia would be better. *shrug*tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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@ arafax:
Perhaps you should stop editing which posts of mine you use, and pay attention to 140, where I most def said this:Arafax wrote: In posts #9, #115, #118 TSQ says these "you're obvioulsy scum" type posts...What is that?...You're not claiming cop because you said it about multiple people...So, what is that all about?
Yeah...So like why are you only paying attention to some of my posts in order to make me look more scummy then I am?me wrote:And wuffles, that's my response to the request. All my reasons typed out. (I like to say things like "she's scum obv." in order to get someone posting, not necessarily because I'm sure. I thought the jokng nature of that tone of voice was easy to pick out. I guess I was wrong.)
Yeah...Pretty easy to understand based off of the fact it was RANDOMVOTINGSTAGElolz and I was just throwing random suspicions or half suspicions out, just like everyone does.Arafax wrote:In post #11 you make a statement about Elias & Luna being scum buddies?...What the heck are you doing?
Yeah, my post 18 was directed at norinel, and I think you'll find it makes much more sense not through your distorted context if you read her previous post. kthxbiArafax wrote:In post #18 you call Luna on lurking...It's still the random stage and many have not even posted yet, but you're bringing out lurking already?.
Well, admitting you're confused is the first intellegent thing you've done in this thread, because that post was directed about ZILIU, and was in the middle of a drawn out discussion with CDB...Like...Do you just read through the thread and pick out things that look scummy out of context?Arafax wrote:In post #48, did you then post that he wasn't lurking?...I'm confused.
Well like...This might be understandable, considering you've asked me this before. I say MIGHT because I already answered it in post 88Arafax wrote:Post #85 you say that you'll go lurker hunting, but only for Zuilu...What's that all about?
AND you hadn't ANSWERED ME IN A MANNER THAT SEEMED LIKE YOU AGREED WITH ME IN 89!!!!!!!me wrote: And Because Zilziu is like a lurker second class. He popped up once, jumped on a bandwagon, and has disapeared since. So he's a lurker + suspicious.
So now we get to the meet. You just completely made up a case against me. Like. Not any of it was even close to being relevant, and not only that, you said you found me suspicious for something you said you agreed with me on. Like...I don't see how what you just did could be pro-town behavior. A pro-town does not need to invent a case, ignoring contrary information in the thread like you just did. So it warrants aArafax wrote:
Sounds good enough for me.Thestatusquo wrote:And Because Zilziu is like a lurker second class. He popped up once, jumped on a bandwagon, and has disapeared since. So he's a lurker + suspicious.
Wuffles, whats with the "rawrs?"...You only use them sometimes, I see?vote: Arafax
Guys will probably jump on me for OMGUS voting, but I'm not. I'm not voting ziliu, wuffles or CDB, because they have at least attempted to use logic in pushing for my lynch, arafax did not.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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No, it's not rediculous. When looking through a thread to build a case, you look at every single post a person makes, and see how it affects your case. At least that's what I do, wuffles. I'm not saying that he needs to post/read posts of mine which are referring to naked girls being pushed past my dorm room, but if he is going to call me out, he should at least read the posts that are directly contradicting what he's saying. Not doing so is skimming, and just attempting to make me look bad, which is not something town would do. If town was building a case and saw "Hmmm... I'm not really right about any of this" you would assume they would stop building the case. That's not what arafax did.
I can buy the confusion shtick up to a point. And that point is where he says he finds me suspicious for something he not only had a conversation with me about, but agreed with me about. That is uber scummy behavior, folks.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I think two things are rather interesting:
One, obviously I still think Arafax is the play, and two, has anyone noticed how luna has not posted at all since she stopped being in the center of attention?
Wuffles is interesting, I'm going to re-read all his posts tonight, and see if he doesn't strike me as scummier than arafax, but I doubt it because arafax is looking really scummy to me.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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