Mini 343: Donnie Darko 0:0:0:0 Game Over

[MeMe]

vote: Scalebane

You know why.

[MeMe]

Three players yet to post...of those, two have been elsewhere on the board since the game started...of

those

, one already has votes. I'll help out there.

unvote: Scale
vote: AniX

[MeMe]

Prove it.

[MeMe]

chamber: I'll pose a couple questions since you've apparently got no answer for my challenge (and, to be fair, I know it's

impossible

to prove your blanket statement "lurker hunting is unproductive" -- just thought I'd try to make you stand behind your words):

--If I'd simply switched my vote to AniX without saying why I was doing so or by saying "bandwagon" -- would that have made you hurry to vote me?
--If I'd voted Der Hammer (who currently has no votes) with the same "yet to post" reason -- would that have made you hurry to vote me? In other words, is the fact that it's

AniX

that bothered you? Or the number of votes? Or, truly, the "lurker hunting" as stated?
--Do

you

consider AniX a lurker at this point in the game? (For the record: I don't)
--Do you think that a player who does something you deem "unproductive" is somehow more likely to be scum?
--Do you think that simply waiting for everyone to post once while NO ONE posts a second time (as was the case before my vote change) is a better idea (or more productive) than making something happen?

[MeMe]

you just ousted yourself as scum in the process

Do you

really

believe this? Because it kinda looks like a "bs reason" for

your

vote.

[MeMe]

Um...no. I'm asking you a question. Are you refusing to answer?

[MeMe]

Well, that's what I was asking: whether or not you were serious. Now that you've answered...well,

wow

.

[MeMe]

Well folks -- due to my oversight during sign-ups, davidangelsummers was left off of the player list despite signing up rather early on. He alerted me to my error this morning and I PM'd nonny to see if he could be the replacement for either Der Hammer or AniX if one became necessary. Now that they've both arrived, I'll step out of the game to make room for him.

It's early enough in the game that this should be a very minor disruption -- but I apologize for it nonetheless.

[MeMe]

Um...hey again.

Apparently das didn't actually

want

to play -- but you all are witnesses to my unselfishness. Just the way I

like

it.

[MeMe]

Well, if you think the scum are voting you -- why the heck are you still voting

me

? I don't necessarily want you to claim at this point, but take a look at the lay of the land:

--Four are voting you (STD, Der Hammer, Scale, Colonel)
--Another said you looked jumpy (Sotty)
--Another said he's not sure which of you or AniX had a worse reaction (EmpTyger)

That's six people PLUS me who think the way you've behaved is worthy of note -- and not in a good way. That means that even if there are four baddies in this game (and you're not one of them), at least three townfolk are taking a hard look at you. That's quite a few this early in the game -- and that means that, if you're not scum, you're serving as a red herring. Does that make sense?

[MeMe]

she's still scum.

Back this up. And, when/if you do, explain why your feelings about my scumminess is stronger than your feelings about anyone else's scumminess. And let me remind you that you went from saying that "most" of the four voting you were scum...then shifted it to "largely joking" and "wouldn't be surprised if two were" and "at least 1 is" when I called you on it. Basically, make sure you take a look at the one or two or three on your wagon you think might be scum and say why they're lower on your suspicion list than I am. While you're at it, please explain to me how

you'd

react if someone said "chamber is scum" rather than "chamber seems the scummiest to me" or "I think he's likely to be scum." Your unqualified statements are just plain

weird

-- there's an unwarranted arrogance in them.

As for the majority of the town thinking I'm scum, thats their fault for mis-judging me.

I'll turn this right back to you and say that your vote on me is a product of either your misjudgment or non-town alignment. I'll once again point out that at least four townfolk agree that

your behavior

is the problem -- not our judgment. Continuing to be obstinate with your original vote while basically calling everyone who questions you scummy and/or lacking in judgment for doing so is unhelpful to say the least. I'm undecided on whether it's more scummy or stubborn -- so I'm eagerly awaiting your reply to help me figure it out.

[MeMe]

Um...no. It's the job of a pro-town player to LOOK pro-town so that other pro-town players can pick them out.

And if you can't be bothered to answer reasonable questions, I probably won't be bothered to continue to give you the benefit of the doubt. Doesn't that seem fair?

[MeMe]

Scumminess isn't definite.

Well, of

course

it isn't. If scumminess were definite, pro-town players would never vote other pro-town players. But to lay all of the blame at the voters' feet while giving the votee a free pass is just ridiculous. I don't know whether to laugh or be horrified that someone who's been on the site for more than half a year has put forth a theory that says, "if I look scummy to others and get lynched for it, it isn't MY fault." If you're pro-town and you start to get bandwagoned for your behavior, you should STOP your behavior. And here's a free tip: even if you're

scum

and get bandwagoned for your behavior it's kinda weird to keep it up -- which is why I'm having such a hard time figuring out whether or not chamber's a good vote. Regardless of alignment, his play is not optimal for anyone but a suicidal.

My current thinking is that because scum are more likely to hold on to a plan that's been shown to be poor (townies, when logic errors are pointed out, tend to be more open-minded), chamber's probably scum. But since it's so early in the game and there's not really a "plan" on the table -- it doesn't fit the principle terribly well.

And I think we need a vote count as mine doesn't match EmpTyger's.

[MeMe]

Just pointing out, chamber, that if you're town AniX may "recognize the situation" because he

knows

you're town.

I rather like my vote.

[MeMe]

Is chamber at 6 votes? If so, why isn't he talking? If not, what in the world killed the thread?

[MeMe]

Resigned "townie"? Interesting.

[MeMe]

Fair warning: I'll hammer tomorrow if 1) no one's unvoted (obv) and 2) there's been no compelling reason not to.

[MeMe]

vote: chamber

[MeMe]

I'm rather interested in Sentinel99. His twilight post read as "everyone remember --

I

didn't vote chamber!" And, as Scalebane pointed out, his posts don't support his claim that he's "the one who" pointed out chamber's past game habits.

[MeMe]

Another interpretation that just came to me: CK and Scalebane know each other in real life, though 1) I have no idea if nonny's aware of that and 2) outside-of-game information

probably

wouldn't be used as flavor text.

Thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

[MeMe]

I hope that's what you had in mind by wanting to see my reaction.

I appreciate you giving an explanation. That said, post 59 looks rather general -- not as chamber-specific as you indicated during twilight.

Basically, posting that you didn't see justification for the lynch seems really weird before alignment was known. If he'd have turned up guilty, you would seem unreasonable. Since he turned up innocent, you look like you were more sure than you

should

have been that he would. Do you see what I'm saying?

[MeMe]

MeMe:
How do you know that CK and Scalebane know each other irl?

We all play together on BSW nights.

[MeMe]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you don't know what BSW

is

. If playing with someone there constitutes knowing someone "in real life," so does playing with someone here.

I certainly didn't mean to be confusing, though. Seeing as there's been a thread announcing play times in the mish mash forum since 2003, I thought further explanation of the term was unnecessary. Looking at the thread now, I see that it spells out the site name rather than using the more common abbreviation.

I don't fault you for your line of questioning, but it's a dead end.

[MeMe]

Ah, thanks for explaining the BSW reference- indeed I hadn’t recognize it. However, it might not be a dead end. Consider (1) above: there is not only the question of whether someone targeted CK because they knew him irl, but whether CK targeted someone because he knew them irl.

My "dead end" comment was in reference to you thinking I might know CK in real life. I do find your block theory quite interesting.

Those of you questioning "why CK" -- did none of you find his end of day scramble suspect?

Especially

once chamber's alignment was revealed?

Still, I'd like EmpTyger to clarify what he's claiming. Your ability's out there, so why hedge?

[MeMe]

Scalebane -- I just did a search for "Colonel Kurtz" and didn't find myself as mentioning him with his full name. I did find that, in addition to Sotty7 (as you mentioned): Ixnay, chamber, and you all did so on Day 1.

Can you explain how, if you searched for "Colonel Kurtz," you came up with me (who referred to him simply as "Colonel")? And how you

didn't

come up with Ixnay?

[MeMe]

OK -- but why didn't you catch Ixnay's mention?

[MeMe]

At this point, I'd rather vote Sentinel or AniX over anyone else.

I've explained my suspicion about Sentinel's twilight post and his reply did not satisfy me.

I just took a look at AniX's posting records in the other two minis that show up in the first 30 or so pages of his posting record. One (Ranma) is still in progress, alignment not known -- but he's posting much the same. In the other (Cheese), he was scum and posted rarely and never voted. I'd rather get rid of him then let him hang around without helping (if town) or without posting enough to catch him (if scum).

vote: AniX

[MeMe]

Sotty,

--I

want

to vote AniX. As I said when I did so, I took the time to check his last couple of minis (since there's not much to go on in this mini) and noted that he posted rarely/didn't vote in Cheese, his last completed game, and was scum there. I'd prefer to pressure him with something more than a prod. Don't you think something doesn't look right about

him

?
--I'm not against him being prodded, but I doubt it'd make much of a difference without actual consequences. Even when he's showed up in this game, he's added nothing to the discussion. Pull his posts and see.
--The current discussion when I switched votes was Scalebane/EmpTyger, which I paid attention to and followed up with my own unanswered questions. If deciding to bring up a new topic of discussion is "distraction," then color me guilty. But then

you'd

have to be guilty of distraction for FOSing olio (a new target), right?
--And, anyway, when it's six votes to lynch, why

not

vote rather than ask for a prod?

Basically, there's a reason I hate lurkers. Your opinion that we should leave him alone if the thread's moving without him -- the translation of which could be "why vote a lurker if we can lynch a participant instead" -- means that non-participation becomes a winning strategy. Why encourage it,

especially

when the player in question has utilized it successfully when anti-town? I find your post questionable, Sotty, especially in light of the fact that I gave my findings about his recent lurk-fest in my vote post.

[MeMe]

Just because you've done it in "every game in the history of time-space" doesn't mean I'm interested in giving you a pass to the end of the game.

Here's a question for you: what made you stick up for chamber on Day 1?

[MeMe]

I'm not asking for a pass until the end of the game. I'm just saying that the only "evidence" you are using to vote for me is based on your preception I am lurking. I am asking that if you are going to vote me, at least come up with something a little more concrete than "lurking".

Erm. You've said you're doing it on purpose because it works for your side -- so, it's not a perception, it's a fact you've admitted. As for coming up with something "a little more concrete" -- well, that's a ridiculous challenge seeing as if you're

lurking

you know darn well there's going to be precious little "concrete" to go on. That's your whole strategy, right?

To answer your question: I don't recall "sticking up for chamber" so much as I questioned whether or not the bandwagon on him would yield results.

I suppose it is a matter of perception -- but to me, even going back and reading all of your day one posts now, you seemed determined to make me look silly (MeMe's establishment -- chamber stepped on MeMe's boots -- chamber doesn't like MeMe's playstyle, so get him) while continually saying that chamber's actions weren't that scummy. I think it's pretty clear that chamber's

actions

were scummy -- the question was did that translate to a scum

alignment

. You even said...

So by all means continue to press chamber, as that is benefical to town knowledge and thus benefical to the town. However, I want to see some tangible evidence, so I'm afraid I cannot choose a side, as Emp has demanded, until I see some.

...which is what everyone else seemed to be doing already, while you watched. And, interestingly, this "keep the pressure on" seems at odds with your recent statement that you questioned whether the bandwagon would yield results.

Here's the deal -- I'm looking at three people right now. You're one of them

because

you seemed intent on lying low. In my opinion, a silent threat is more dangerous than a loud threat. My opinion of you is going up that you seem willing to participate when asked to do so, but now that your silent strategy has been exposed in this game, it makes sense that you should just toss it and play this one.

One more question -- Do you agree that, had chamber turned up guilty, it'd have been logical to interpret your actions as trying hard not to vote him?

~~~~~~~~~

And Sotty, please note that AniX needed no prod.

[MeMe]

unvote: AniX
vote: Sentinel99

[MeMe]

Now for MeMe

unvote: AniX
vote: Sentinel99

I'm assuming this is for lurking?

His disappearance without bothering to reply to my last question (despite posting in the Little Italy forum -- in 320 -- on August 1) certainly doesn't make me

less

suspicious of him.

[MeMe]

~hellllooooooo~

Those I can't imagine voting today: Chess83, EmpTyger, MeMe

Those I could totally see voting today: Sentinel99, Sotty7, AniX, Scalebane (that order)

Those I could, given a compelling argument, be talked into voting today: Ixnayonthehombre, olio, Save The Dragons

[MeMe]

I feel so lonely I could die.

Don't

take that seriously.

[MeMe]

Seriously -- WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

[MeMe]

Sure

if

we lynch Scale today, Emp will be pushed some more tomorrow but setting up the lynch like that is crazy. This means if we lynch STD today after your points against him then you should be the next lynch.

You seem to ignore the possibility that Scale and/or STD may be revealed as scum if lynched.

[MeMe]

Hear, hear.

[MeMe]

Oh, Sentinelllll.....how're you coming?

[MeMe]

I don't feel the need to be a featured player in every discussion -- some get on well enough without me. I do, however, ask questions when a discussion prompts some and they haven't yet been asked by anyone else.

Sotty -- I'd like to hear your thoughts on Sentinel. I find it really odd that you fault me for being "on the edge" and yet seem to be quite comfortable with players who aren't anywhere

near

the edge.

[MeMe]

And how, pray tell, would you expect me to play if town?

[MeMe]

I'm quite happily voting Sentinel99, not Scalebane -- though nonny had it wrong in her last count, I just noticed.

[MeMe]

I'll be out of town for the next couple of days.

[MeMe]

The scummiest person, in my opinion, is the one I'm voting -- but you can find a list of people I'm willing to vote/those I find the scummiest in post 209, from more than two weeks back. Not much has changed.

I'd love for you to explain, Chess, what Sentinel has done to "fairly convince" you that he's town.

[MeMe]

Another interpretation that just came to me: CK and Scalebane know each other in real life, though 1)

I have no idea if nonny's aware of that and 2) outside-of-game information

probably

wouldn't be used as

flavor text.

Meme tries to link Scalebane and CK's

Tries to link their what?

[MeMe]

Erm...check again, Scalebane. My posts aren't

unnecessarily

long -- but there've been more than a couple that have clocked in at a few paragraphs.

I'm keeping an amused eye on those who are eagerly nodding their heads in supportive agreement at the allegation that I'm not being helpful/am on the edges/detracts from the town. Sotty's last post is one of the more interesting along those lines.

[MeMe]

Turns out the new girl in town is found dead in the middle of a back road. Gretchen Ross (Colonel Kurtz) is dead, from the wounds on her most likly done by someone she knew, someone who had it out for her perhaps?

Another interpretation that just came to me: CK and Scalebane know each other in real life, though 1) I have no idea if nonny's aware of that and 2) outside-of-game information

probably

wouldn't be used as flavor text.

Thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

So. nonny says the victim most likely knew the killer. It seemed as though that meant the two characters knew each other -- but as I knew the two

players

knew each other as well, I thought I should mention it as a possible interpretation. Do you think it'd have been better for me to sit on that information?

Also, keep in mind, EmpTyger has claimed the kill. You can pretty much bet I was actually trying to figure out who might have killed CK...no reason for me to misdirect, regardless of my alignment.

What a weird accusation.

[MeMe]

Death scene flavor shouldn't be dismissed as moot. Whether or not it's

fair

is another matter...sometimes the mod doesn't think through what they're giving away and sometimes it's a balancing choice. Still, a lot can be gleaned from it because it's very rarely misleading.

But, you have the claimed killer above only you in suspicion, which rather makes your point about leading the town to "scum" at odds with your stated interpretation.

That said -- the issue STD and I were discussing was if me telling everyone what I know is "subtle tactics" with which someone could genuinely have a "beef" or whether full disclosure of something that may be relevant is the right thing to do. Got a comment on

that

?

[MeMe]

If the answer to "should I sit on the information" is "of course not" in both cases -- how can you defend basing an accusation on sharing the information?

And despite this statement...

keep in mind I'm not accusing you of anything yet,

...your later clarification here...

If you're town, of course not. But I'm not accusing you of being town, so suggesting I would consider you to sit on the information seems silly. If you're scum, of course not; I've already explained why.

...rather implies that you

are

accusing me (but not of being town).

How ironic that your "toying with an idea" is beginning to look an awful lot like subtle tactics and/or planting a seed...

FOS: STD

[MeMe]

I see that Sentinel has signed up for UPick in the mini theme queue. If he has time to play that game, why in the world would he "need" to be replaced in

this

one? It'd take an hour, at most, to read the dang game. I'm really irritated that he'd apologize for "detracting from the game" and go right ahead and compound the problem by forcing someone new to do what he's, apparently, unwilling to do (read and post). I mean...why won't he? Because he just doesn't wanna?

I'm keeping my vote right where it is and I'm STRONGLY AGAINST nonny replacing Sentinel99 while he's still on the site and apparently has time to play, now. I still think his twilight post was way suspicious and his behavior today is unbelievably inconsiderate and/or scummy.

[MeMe]

Also, I don't think you can really moniter my activitiy anywhere else on the site and use that in a particular game.

Sure I can. No rule against it.

I mean, I'm sorry, but stuff came up, and I can't exactly structure my entire life around a GAME. I mean, if you guys will still have me, I'll try and catch up real fast.

No one's asking you to structure your life around a game. But you came back and said you "need to be replaced" -- which, evidently, isn't the case.

I'll look forward to your comments when you're caught up.

[MeMe]

Not to beat this into the ground, but since I brought it up I want the point I was making to be

clear

. Sentinel99 signed up to play a new game 12 minutes after he said he needed to be replaced in here.

And, yes, I've seen S99's post clarifying his meaning. This is not a commentary on that -- just a response to Chess83's "be it a week ago or a month ago" comment which showed he didn't have the full picture.

[MeMe]

What I

really

need right now is a vote count.

[MeMe]

That is one

hell

of an attention-grabbing post. I think I like it.

[MeMe]

nonny

: would you please confirm whether or not we're under threat of deadline? Given the fact that we've not been given a specific time for the deadline and that the last vote count was incorrect, I'm thinking that it would be rather crippling if the thread gets closed tomorrow.

I'm still pretty sold on my Sentinel vote -- but I can't find much wrong with Emp's points of suspicion against Chess. Point in his favor is that I think he's answered well...though I agree with Emp about the "waiting for someone to catch" oddity. When I err as town, I generally try to clarify before it becomes a red herring to town/weapon for scum.

Also, Sotty seems to be missing.

[MeMe]

@MeMe

What happens when we rid the world of lurkers? Where would your suspicions lie? I'm not sure we have that from you.

I vote lurkers when there's no one I find more suspicious than the lurkers. Right now I'm voting the active Sentinel99.

Again, I ask why people are where they are in your list of suspicion.

Sorry, I didn't quite realize you were expecting me to answer -- thought you were just mentioning that I didn't expound at the time. My list of suspicion is now a month old and I stated that it hadn't changed much more than two weeks ago. But, sure, I can tell you what I was thinking at the time.

Those I can't imagine voting today: Chess83, EmpTyger, MeMe

Chess83

: because his initial analysis of the game looked like someone searching for answers to me.

EmpTyger

: I believe him.

Me

: duh

Those I could totally see voting today: Sentinel99, Sotty7, AniX, Scalebane (that order)

Sentinel99

: His twilight post is still so incriminating in my eyes. His lurking didn't help.

Sotty7

: a note I made about her day one said that she "seems to want to wait to see which way the wind is blowing before committing to a vote" (specific example: defended chamber's reasoning, but then said he looked "jumpy" -- looked like she was trying to have it both ways). I think that fairly typifies her play this whole game. She's also posted less often/less content than I, but insists on accusing me for being "on the edge" of discussions while ignoring those who participation is barely there.

AniX

: lurker. mid-level suspicion based on that and his responses when I called him on it.

Scalebane

: based on a day one observation that he was willing to side with me rather vocally -- when chamber came up town, I wondered if that's because he thought I could take the fall as the leader of the lynch. Also, he's perpetuated the misinformation that I've only been lurker hunting.

Those I could, given a compelling argument, be talked into voting today: Ixnayonthehombre, olio, Save The Dragons

These three are just people for whom I'd not noted neither particularly suspicious nor innocent behavior.

[MeMe]

It makes

me

very unlikely to switch to you.

[MeMe]

Post count:

19 - Ixnayonthehombre (21, including Der Hammer's)
21 - Sentinel99
22 - AniX
28 - Sotty7
33 - olio
35 - Scalebane
38 - Save The Dragons
40 - EmpTyger
55 - Chess83 (56, including BrizzyBoi's)
56 - MeMe

Just saying everyone can stop with the "MeMe's not active" line. It's simply not true.

[MeMe]

Allow me to clearify, your posting as of late is not active, nor is your content helpful. Example, your reaction to my claim was "Don't worry about me voting for you." You gave no reason.

If I'd wanted to fully state a reason, I certainly would have -- my posts are quite deliberate. To say that it wasn't helpful is rather ridiculous, seeing as my post swung the vote away from you. You're welcome.

Your response to Emp's long post was "wow, I'm impressed"

Full quote --

That is one

hell

of an attention-grabbing post. I think I like it.

Basically an acknowledgement that the post was a shocker AND a compelling argument against you.

I am paraphrasing these quote because I am in a hurry, but basically you are just making side comments and not really contributing, and you are not posting a whole lot, as of late.

I'm reading everything and posting when I think I should. I don't suffer from logorrhea.

Also MeMe, can you do a D2 vote count, interested to see what that looks like.

I'm assuming you mean post counts, which can be easily grabbed by clicking the drop-down box at the bottom of every page. I'll be happy to do one, but it'll take a couple of minutes.

[MeMe]

Day 2 Post count:

16 - AniX
17 - Sentinel99
18 - Ixnayonthehombre
20 - Sotty7
26 - Scalebane
28 - olio
32 - EmpTyger
34 - Save The Dragons
40 - MeMe
55 - Chess83

[MeMe]

A few questions for EmpTyger --

--Why do you assume you will "definitely not be being protected by a doctor" tonight?
--Why

must

you vigkill? I've no problem with it if Sentinel's revealed as scum, but if he's not it just seems reckless.
--If killing Chess is the sounder choice for "determining the OTHER mafia" (

who's the first, praytell

), why not simply vigkill him and direct the cop in a different direction (like to ME), speaking of which...
--...since you say "a cop is still likely outstanding," who do you think it's probable was investigated

last

night?

*note in red I really want answered before nightfall. It's lookin' like a slip.

[MeMe]

MeMe:

<snip>*note in red I really want answered before nightfall. It's lookin' like a slip.

You’re picking a really bad time to bluff. Had I more time, I’d punish you for it.

I don't even understand this. I asked you several questions that arose out of a post

you

made -- I didn't pick the time, nor do I get how you could possibly term it a "bluff."

Let me put it clearly: you say "the other" mafia. Who are you assuming is the first? And why are you assuming there are only two mafia anyway? And why the hell didn't you answer the other (apparently non-bluff, according to your ridiculous retort) questions rather than throwing out a weird accusation? Here's my guess...because it was

right before

deadline and you thought that nonny'd be closing the thread without me having a chance to respond!

So, EmpTyger -- I've got a challenge for you: go

ahead

and "punish" me for it (oh the hubris!).

Kill me tonight

.

Town: if I'm not dead tomorrow, ask yourselves why

not

.

[MeMe]

You were bluffing because there would be no consequence in any way if I didn’t answer before nightfall. But now, in case the town has not yet figured it out:

I wasn't bluffing. And to say that there would be "no consequence" if you didn't answer is unbelievably obtuse. There's more game -- there'd certainly be consequence for me

tomorrow

if you truly thought I was bluffing. The fact that you think you'll either be cleared or killed (now I'm thinking doubtful) tonight shows that you thought you could hold off until then to accuse me. I don't think anyone should consider you cleared tomorrow if you simply live. There's absolutely no guarantee of a vigilante in every mini game.

Total and utter misquote. I did *not* say “determining the other mafia”. What I said (in [415]) was “determining other mafia”. And I have better things to do than direct the cop for you.

You're absolutely right. Misread on my part and, for that, I apologize. Please admit, though, that seeing it as I did (that you said "

the

other") -- my questions were valid.

Would you agree that, if I were not scum with Chess, there was no reason for me to save him? Would you further agree, then, that Chess makes more sense to vig than AniX tonight to "verify" alignment and the cop can check AniX?

EmpTyger -- I'm really distrustful of you right now, as it should be apparent. I don't like when someone attempts to railroad me or says I'm trying to "bluff" without explaining why. Your point about me misquoting you is certainly fair -- but your implication that it was nefarious in intent is not.

-I’m going to vigkill because there are enough good targets. The same reason why I must lynch. You wouldn’t advocate a nolynch in this situation. The same logic holds for consensual vigkilling.

This is idiotic. If there were

one

good target, this would make sense -- but with so many, it's as good as a shot in the dark. If Sentinel's town, you could bring us to lynch or lose unnecessarily (if you're truly a vig and mafia is successful tonight, we'll be down to seven tomorrow, three of whom could be scum) -- because you seem unable to see/consider this, I'm starting to think you're not too worried about the town.

And I have better things to do than direct the cop for you.

Really?

I feel knowing Chess’s alignment would be more useful in determining other mafia, however, but since a cop is still likely outstanding, there’s no reason for me to resort to such a drastic measure to test alignment.

Did you not direct the cop to investigate Chess here? 'Cause that's certainly what it looks like.

-I’m not the cop. You know I’m not the cop. But as for likely investigations:
Town: if MeMe’s not dead tomorrow, ask yourselves why not.
(ie: Cop: do not waste your investigation on her; if she lives, she is the godfather.)

You know, the town is not so stupid not to take into consideration the fact that if I'm not dead tomorrow, it's possible it's because no one tried to kill me.

Here's my claim, though: either I'm dead tonight and it doesn't matter or I'm alive and EmpTyger's scum. If, by some chance, I'm alive -- I don't want anyone pretending I took the time to create a claim overnight. I'm Mrs. Rose Darko, vanilla townie (oh! see why Chess's claim is extra believable to me?).

[MeMe]

So, I'm dead, right?

Yes -- even though nonny hasn't closed the thread, deadline hit and you're dead.

[MeMe]

Oh, and doc, please don't protect me. I want it clear that if I'm alive tomorrow it's because either:

1) I'm unnightkillable
2) EmpTyger lied

[MeMe]

grr.

[MeMe]

Why are you disappointed that town won, nonny??

Woo-hoo town

!

Yeah, EmpTyger, I understood you feeling backed into a corner -- but one thing neither you nor I verbalized was the "what if Sentinel turns up scum after all" scenario. Once he did, I convinced myself that you'd leave me alive regardless of your alignment.

Ah well -- it all worked out despite our little throwdown!

[MeMe]

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