WoT Mafia, GAME OVER

[MrBuddyLee]

We should agree on the vig as well, if we want one.

[petroleumjelly]

Well, argh. I just reread Lowell's claim, and it

really

sounds like he's being truthful. Why?! Why must I be cursed with such indecision?

I suppose I could forego Vigging tonight, but I honestly think it's to the town's advantage to basically lynch two people at once (one via lynch, one via Vig).

I'm thinking Machiavellian-Mafia might be the best target for tonight. I just just checked on Wiki, and here's something interesting:

Marath'damane is an olde tongue word meaning: We are Seanchan. You will be leashed. Resistance is futile.

M-M claims the only Seanchan role in the game, and in fact, Marath-Damane is not a specific

character

(so far that I can see) at all. M-M has, in fact, not claimed a specific Seanchan character in the first place.

By the way, Illumina: can you verify if you were collared last night?

The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking M-M could be an all-purpose scum role who is searching for his partners (via Collaring), who cannot be tracked (since the Collared does the killing), and may in fact have the ability to recruit (via Collaring).

I'm actually wondering if it's safer to lynch Machiavellian-Mafia, and then have me Vig Skylink.

Any thoughts?

[mystery meat of doom]

Does it matter?

[mystery meat of doom]

EDBWODP: As in which we lynch and which we vig.

[petroleumjelly]

If Machiavellian-Mafia can

recruit

people, then yes, it matters very much. That will just add another scumbucket we're gonna have to kill, whereas lynching him now would take away that possibility.

Would like to hear other people's thoughts, though.

[MrBuddyLee]

I'd get M-M's specific rolename before proposing further action.

[Illumina]

Sorry for not checking in more regularly, it's been a busy week. (I had my wisdom teeth out, so I've been on painkillers constantly ><).

Anyway. Yes, I did get collared by M-M last night: The PM informed me that I was suddenly grabbed during the night, M-M knew my identity through the power of the collar, and could could control me to make kills for him. There was no mention of me losing my ability to communicate during the day, but I assume M-M has sustained control over me unless he tries to ID / collar someone else. I got a PM from him later saying there wasn't going to be a night kill, because his suspicions didn't quite warrant one.

Given that info, I was under the impression that M-M is either light-aligned or neutral. There was no change in my alignment, and the Seanchan never struck me as being aligned with the dark in the books. (A pesky thorn in everyone's sides, sure, but like the Aiel they're on the right side of Tarmon Gai'don.). If anyone who's read the later books knows something more about the Seanchan, now's a good time to pitch in.

Also, it goes without saying that M-M could have turned me to the dark side and you can't trust a word I'm saying - vigging him may in fact be the smartest move, if it's not possible to ID him another way with any certainty.

(btw, PJ, that translation of the old tongue sounds suspiciously similar to a certain phrase from Star Trek. I'm thinking someone must have altered the wiki.)

[MrBuddyLee]

So PJ can't talk to his Ashaman but M-M can nightchat with his collared channeler. Curious.

[petroleumjelly]

MrBuddyLee, I cannot talk with my Ashaman because I was never even

verified

as to whether or not I had an Ashaman.

My first question to the Mod before the game began was whether or not I really had an Ashaman in the game, and he could neither confirm or deny. I figured my Ashaman was simply my "flavor", until I realized that Broomhead (now Ghyrt) was my Ashaman on Night Two, when he refused to kill himself (quite rightly). This of course led me to believe that Mariyta was lying on Day Two (because I never targeted Mr. Flay) and that she was therefore scum.

And now that I think on it: Ghyrt, does your role explicitly mention that you work for Rand Al'Thor? If so, that might be enough to get MBL to shut his big yap, because he is consistently heading in the wrong direction.

I'm thinking no-kill might be the way to go tonight, as Illumina mentioning that M-M did not want to kill last night checks the story out. Skylink could very well be the last scum for all we know anyways.

[mystery meat of doom]

Well if Skylink is scum then no-kill. If he isn't, we should probably decide on a target at this time.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I'd get M-M's specific rolename before proposing further action.

My role PM just said marath damane so I'm not a specific character.

Looking at the claims I don't see anyone obviously lying except skylink, so I can agree with the considerations of no-vig.

[SpamWise]

I'm more inclined to go Skylink today, MM tonight.

[SpamWise]

That's if anyone is going to be vigged tonight.

[MrBuddyLee]

And now that I think on it: Ghyrt, does your role explicitly mention that you work for Rand Al'Thor? If so, that might be enough to get MBL to shut his big yap, because he is consistently heading in the wrong direction.

I'm thinking no-kill might be the way to go tonight, as Illumina mentioning that M-M did not want to kill last night checks the story out. Skylink could very well be the last scum for all we know anyways.

It's never the wrong direction to ask thoughtful questions, and I think I've been consistently helpful in this game.

I'm fine with a no-kill tonight. If Skylink's not our last scum then maybe we'll learn something from the flavor of any nightkill that occurs. Well, you all will, as I'll quite possibly be dead.

vote: Skylink

[MrBuddyLee]

Oh, and a guy like M-M couldn't collar more than one channeler at a time, right? I think collaring control is a 1-1 relationship.

[petroleumjelly]

Eh, I'll go with a no-kill tonight, then.

Vote: Skylink

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[Anonymities]

Fine we may as well do this. I wonder who I should RB.....Suggestions? We could test it PJ - you try and vig me and I RB your ashaman . Although...I'm not sure I feel that lucky. What if you have a second ashaman?

Vote: Skylink

[petroleumjelly]

No, I would rather not risk that, Anonymities. For all we know, there may be a scum role-blocker who will role-block

you

which allow my kill to go through on you anyways.

I will be no-killing tonight.

[mystery meat of doom]

Vote: Skylink.

[Illumina]

Vote: Skylink.

[mystery meat of doom]

unvote, vote: skylink

[Lowell]

Vote: Skylink

because all the cool kids are doing it.

Sorry I have been MIA of late. I went away, thought I would have sporadic internet, but did not.

Guy pulling the strings around here: don't Vig me, that's a big waste of time. For the record, I know nothing about Wheel of Time, and didn't make up whatever claim I posted.

[petroleumjelly]

Eh, I'll go with a no-kill tonight, then.

Now dance, my flesh puppets...

DANCE!

[mystery meat of doom]

HAMMAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

Or do we need more?

[Anonymities]

I'm leaving for Moab, Utah for vacation tommorow (August 15th) and expect to be back on Wednesday (August 23). I'll see you guys later. I hope you enjoy yourselves because I know I will be enjoying myself! I understand if I am replaced obviously. I wish everyone the best of luck in winning!