NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[GreyICE]

Hey, Grey.

You town?

If so, tell me who needs death.
/feelslikesheeping.

Yup!

I've managed to read as far as the player list, wanna lynch shotty?

[GreyICE]

Okay, so focusing on the major wagons.

Rack is completely solid. The 'head B will come back and bail me out' stuff seems more like scum than town.
Firestarter is 90% town. I've been in one game with firestarter, he was the day 1 lynch, and lets just say that this is a different firestarter. He blatantly had no clue what he was doing and needed death in that game. Scum anywhere, it's on that wagon.
Marcos, Pine, these are two wagons I don't get.

I actually think shotty needs to die here. This fight-picking with NeroCain deserves lynching in its own right - doing nothing but picking a fight with a mouthbreathing idiot is worth killing someone for in its own right, and the attacking people is entirely baseless and over-the-top.

Vote: DrMyShotty

And I swear unto god, if one person tells me I'm picking on an easy target I'm ball-kicking you.

[GreyICE]

GreyIce:

How likely do you think it is that Shotty will be lynched today?

Oh come on Deas. First, I think he's scum. Second, do you think he's ever getting night killed if he's actually town?

I think it's a good vote. Of the current wagons I like Rack, the others are total horseshit, and I could buy that they're counterwagons to Rack. But I admit to some curiousity who head b is~

[GreyICE]

Well you'll have to try a lot harder if you want him lynched.

I opened up the thread three hours ago and I ate dinner in there. Gimme a fucking break DV.

I'd prefer to see his reaction to the vote anyway.

[GreyICE]

I think it's a good vote. Of the current wagons I like Rack, the others are total horseshit, and I could buy that they're counterwagons to Rack. But I admit to some curiousity who head b is~

You have no idea who I am. Trust me.

Why do you like our wagon?


P-Edit: Head A. Still.

Because you're fucking useless. So far you've asked a few people some questions (NN, LLD, mastin). Of those questions, two of the three boiled down to "Why aren't you playing exactly the same as you were in other games" which is an underhanded way of making people look like scum for meta bullshit. Other than that, most of the rest of your energy (such as it is) is spent on vague pronouncements on what your reads are and scumplaining about all the people who are voting for you.

It's an excellent wagon, and I am about one useless post from your sorry ass away from joining it. If shotty wasn't that fucking bad I'd be on it right now.

[GreyICE]

I'd prefer to see his reaction to the vote anyway.

And reaction ruined.

Well screw you. I've had a long day and two gin and tonics, so let me just pass wind in your general direction.

[GreyICE]

Dayvig.

Daykill: Nero Cain

[GreyICE]

But every town player wishes it wasn't.

[GreyICE]

Oh yeah, I'm quaking in my boots that the great scumhunter Nero Cain has graced us with his presence.

[GreyICE]

Grey, you do think Nero is town, right?

Yeah, Shotty isn't gonna do a back and forth with his scumbuddies like that.

[GreyICE]

Grey, you do think Nero is town, right?

Yeah, Shotty isn't gonna do a back and forth with his scumbuddies like that.

So, pretending to dayvig him is rather silly, yes?

Call it wishful thinking.

[GreyICE]

I've never understood why people express desire to vig players they read as town for saying something they find stupid.

I desire to vig Nero Cain when I see him on a playerlist.

[GreyICE]

Admittedly, it's hard to note all the brilliant ways I catch scum when you're not reading the thread, NeroCain.

[GreyICE]

So who are the scum?

Well to start with, Shotty and Rack.

I'm sure there's more, but that's a v. good start.

[GreyICE]

I'll be honest with you all--in this game, I feel a little bit out of my league. I'm having difficulty getting reads, but not because of apathy (that'd imply I didn't care; I do, just have difficulty locking down reads, as they waver from town to scum and back). A lot of players here are of a different caliber than I am, be it better (like GreyICE) or worse (VIs), making it harder to relate. I'm not in my element, compared to other games where I do nicely.

It almost made me want to replace out--almost. The reason I haven't is that I realized that's exactly why I wanted to keep playing in this game in the first place: because if I'm never pushed outside my comfort zone, if I'm always in my element, then I'd stagnate and never grow. Only by being in a place where I'm WEAKER than most people would I stand a chance of actually getting better. By being in a place where I feel uncomfortable, weaker, and overall kinda useless, I can try to push myself.

I'm going to try and reset everyone to null, and see what happens when I take a look at the game again.

Mastin, why am I out of your league?

I fuck it up all the time. Like. All. The. Time.

You do too. We've had our disagreements, but it's not like I'm on some fucking pedestal.

That being said if you vote Shotty we can be BFFs.

[GreyICE]

Bah I can think of several where they were terribad. That one where you were in the hydra and I thought all the scum were really town, that was terrible. Or the one where I saved the serial killer from getting lynched like he deserved because of BS speculation

I've fucked up a lot.

But in this case, yeaahhh. This is not town shotty. Town shotty has no idea what's going on, so is vulnerable and confused. Scum shotty has no idea what's going on so he's loud and irritating.

OTOH Rack.

Oh Rack.

-_-

COINS
MUST FLIP THEM

Also there's like 24 players in this game, I've got shit all in patience trying to figure out who they are.

[GreyICE]

You're shotty's alt.

[GreyICE]

Nero Cain is an idiot. It's not an act.

[GreyICE]

Oh cool, so he's a slight improvement upon the worst of the worst. It's like he got a 10% on the test, but hey, someone didn't get ANYTHING right.

[GreyICE]

My vote is on Rack, we're killing him today BECAUSE he isn't responding.

You don't just remove your vote from someone because they aren't responding to go pressure someone else. No.

We're killing Rack.

Baaaaa

Sheeping the cutest person in the room.

Plus this needs to happen.

Vote: Rack

[GreyICE]

Shotgun is a bigger VI than Shotty, and we're not lynching him today anyway. Make a real vote FG

[GreyICE]

LLD will be VLA for a few days

[GreyICE]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

This ISO is truly awful -_-

Anyone wanna turn this wagon around?

[GreyICE]

It's about his hydra status.

He wants to know as a VT Hydra can both heads post and vote, or does one head have posting privileges and the other head has voting privileges.

The joke is that neither head is posting or voting.

[GreyICE]

I'll take my best shot at things.

1. Psyche <--Minor suspect, but gut right now says town.

2. Kublai Khan <--Major, MAJOR suspect; his reaction reeks of knowing rack was town.

3. scooby <--Probably town; look at his refusal to get on rack and pushing of Pine.
4. FakeGod jasonT1981 <--Probably town, by virtue of there being no way the rack wagon is THAT scumdriven.
5. Firestarter <--Probably town, by the same logic above.
6. The Mini-Librarian <--Same thing.

7. rack <--Confirmed town.

8. DeasVail <--Major suspect, especially with regards to consistently looking like he was on the edge of voting rack, but never following through.

9. Macros <--Not scum with the people attacking him, which if memory serves include Pine and Antihero. Oh, and DV as well. Still could be scum in a KK-Junpei scumteam, though.
10. Code_X NihilisticNinja <--Minor suspect due to Ninja's play.
11. Benmage <--Probably town via the rack wagon not being THAT scumdriven.

12. Pine <--Scum. I'm not sure if I'll be able to get enough on why before we go into night, but I'll try.

13. drmyshottyizsik <--Minor suspect. He's in the suspect pool with vijay and scooby, but I still need to check who was willing to wagon him.
14. HezLucky <--Probably town; just overall gut feeling.
15. drmyshotgun <--Town via claim, and via being on the rack wagon.
16. Nero Cain <--Town via interactions, and being on the rack wagon.

17. redFF <--Confirmed town.

18. Antihero Candy Corn Vampire <--Scum, especially if this game's single-faction. Words kinda escaping me, but I'll do what I can.
20. Lady Lambdadelta <--Town via the rack wagon.
21. Junpei <--Scum. See also, his push against me while voting rack and putting rack within lynch range, despite my request against doing so and his interest in me providing more content. (That last one's the biggy.)
22. Maxous <--Probably town due to the rack wagon, though he's of minor interest still.
23. vijay2vasandani <--Minor suspect, in the pool with scooby and shotty. Gut seems to recall liking something he's been saying recently, so maybe town.
24. GreyICE Praetyre <--Town due to the rack wagon.

Of course this is far from a complete list of reasons, but it gives a good start.

Okay, so far we have the following based on Mastin large game logic. RedFF and Rack are scum, Kublai Khan, Deas Veil, and Pine are definitely town.

This meta tell, it is AWESOME.

[GreyICE]

mage already told us there were two teams of 4.

I had forgotten about this. HOWEVER -- please show the class where he said two teams of four. I just found where he said 8 antitown roles. (I'd look closer, but I'm trying to get as much info in as possible before lockdown.

Here we have Nero potentially putting words in Ben's mouth.

Unrelated, please also consider the animosity between benmage and LLD in the signup thread that seems to miraculously dissipated now. Perhaps they're on the same team?

Yes, that's obviously it.

Please die.

[GreyICE]

Replace out unless RedFF is force replaced

And fucking blacklisted.

[GreyICE]

Yeah well this game is an energy drain already, and if I have to put up with lowlife bigots too then fuck it, I'm out.

[GreyICE]

There is a difference between swearing at people and being a bigot.

When I say you're being stupid, Junpei, I'm referring to your behavior and attitudes that make me think that. Not saying I think you're stupid, but it's a good example.

When a person calls someone (list of derogatory slurs). they are deliberately associating being part of a group with being negative. That an entire group of human beings is negative, and that the person is part of the group, and that is negative.

If you really think saying "Junpei, you're acting like a _________" and "Junpei, you're acting like a ___________" are the same fucking thing then you most certainly doing the former.

[GreyICE]

Oh look, mafiascum even censors the word it's so fucking offensive.

It's like the moderators know the difference.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, see the problem is that you think that if someone is homosexual they are inferior to heterosexuals. And that therefore the term is an insult.

In other words you're a fucking bigot, and on top of all the other FUCKING BULLSHIT I'm putting up with in this game you can call that the last fucking straw.

[GreyICE]

When the fuck did I ever say that if someone is homosexual they are inferior to heterosexuals?

ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME

lol, red is calling other people idiots

that's funny

have we ever played together?

I don't get the hate. In the end, we're here to play a game, call me scum all you want, but leave the personal insults in gd.

just kidding

(something I shouldn't have said)

This was a joke based on how I have insulted shotty and others all game, yet told antihero to cut the insults. The next post I insult him. I see no bigotry here.

YOU SAID THAT CALLING SOMEONE HOMOSEXUAL IS AN INSULT

RIGHT THERE

If it's an insult, why is it an insult? Because being homosexual is perfectly normal and in no way inferior? Like, I dunno, having blue eyes? How often do you say "Just kidding, blue eyed person?"

OH RIGHT
FUCKING NEVER
BECAUSE IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE

[GreyICE]

-_-

This is the worst fucking game I've ever had the displeasure of being a part of.

Replace out

I don't fucking even want to play with any of you anymore.

[GreyICE]

Replacements ruin the integrity of the game.

He replaced out because HE WAS BORED!?!?!?!?

Yes. Blacklist that.

I replaced out because the posting was drivel and then it turned excessively toxic.

Basically it boils down to this: the game was hellishly tough to follow due to people being jerks, and then RedFF turned the jerk dial up to 11 and the rest of the thread pretty much said 'yep, we're cool with that' and I realized there were very few people in this game who were actually tolerable and decent human beings.

You guys don't pay me for playing, and when I realize that the thread basically consisted of your typical 13-year-old racist/homophobic/misogynistic insult-spewing XBox Live crowd, I cease to want to be here.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, but see, I have it on good authority Andrew shares an IP address with Praetyre, a member of the scumteam who replaced out after one post.

So.

[GreyICE]

Also lol@Junpei thinking I am a teenager.

I'm 27, dude.

I'm a teenager and LLD is a guy...

That's some pretty sick reads right there bro.

[GreyICE]

Don't you feel bad, GreyICE. I carried the torch for you (far enough, anyway).

Yeah, I saw that. Nice job!