Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Tierce]

I think I’ve figured out what’s up with the SpyreX death and I really wish I would’ve thought of it at the time and that the game would’ve slowed down there to let him survive because I knew he was from Gallia and while there could be Gallia scum it didn’t strike me as likely with SpyreX given our early D2 convo.

What did you think was up with 'the SpyreX death'?

1, 2, 3 Not it. Oh and if we do massclaim at some point and I'm still alive I need to at least partial claim early in the order btw.

Please explain this.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I think I’ve figured out what’s up with the SpyreX death and I really wish I would’ve thought of it at the time and that the game would’ve slowed down there to let him survive because I knew he was from Gallia and while there could be Gallia scum it didn’t strike me as likely with SpyreX given our early D2 convo.

What did you think was up with 'the SpyreX death'?

I actually forgot about this until now. In Mafia in the Back Room, as town I had an ability where I would target player X and all other players who targeted player X would have their non-kill actions fail. In my mind it made sense that someone with that ability had targeted SpyreX on N2 which would explain the double no result neatly; however it hasn't really come up so no idea if I was right or wrong.

1, 2, 3 Not it. Oh and if we do massclaim at some point and I'm still alive I need to at least partial claim early in the order btw.

Please explain this.

Well obviously if I ended up last in a massclaim then I'd lose all my confirmability; I would need to at least partially claim early in the process so it was clear I wasn't just using provided information.

[Tierce]

You mean a Rolestopper variant. I mentioned it in this game already. It's possible it was/is one of the scum's abilities, instead of an actual roleblocker.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

You mean a Rolestopper variant. I mentioned it in this game already. It's possible it was/is one of the scum's abilities, instead of an actual roleblocker.

I've never seen it given an actual name so that's probably why it didn't register for me that you'd already suggested it.

[Gammagooey]

Vote: Lady Lambadelta

Still not super confident in this but everyone

else

looks town to me and although yes I know this is flavor garbage but I also think that a scum Sothe as a country cop would make a lot more sense than Zihark.

[Gammagooey]

and I did read over toasty's iso, even though it took me longer than I'd hoped. and singer's. and nik's. and some of ludi's. None of them look like scum to me.

[Glork]

I'm fine with lynch LLD / block DDD.

[Glork]

Also, GreyICE's role is the equivalent of Felix from Mafia w/the Kitties, or whatever the godfather was in Blood Bowl. I really don't expect there to be more than one "godfather." The Daliah role is just an elegant way of giving us a non-standard/breaking cop, and still giving scums (Godfather, and an SK) investigative immunity.

Creating a bunch of same-natured investigative roles with a bunch of same-natured "godfather" scums is cluttered and swingy design. It turns a pile of roles into mere novelties, rather than something elegant that can be mostly-relied on. From what I know about Vi's approach to design, having more inv-immune scum beyond Daliah doesn't fit. Giving them a single "godfather" does.

[Glork]

Unvote

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Lady Lambadelta

Still not super confident in this but everyone

else

looks town to me and although yes I know this is flavor garbage but I also think that a scum Sothe as a country cop would make a lot more sense than Zihark.

First off, I need an elaboration on the back half of this? What are you saying?

Secondly, I'm positive DDD is scum. Can you explain why he is town, given his investigation results+ the timing of his claim? Also, there's no way there are 2 (3?) country cops.

Further, with the amount of people going "OH THERE TOTES CAN BE 2 TOWN COUNTRY COPS" I don't trust you people to lynch DDD based on my flip.

DDD dies. Today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm fine with lynch LLD / block DDD.

7 v

I have to question why you would do this, given your expressed beliefs that:

1) The scum have at MOST 2 targets left.
2) There are 2 scum left.
3) DDD is scum.

Like, if everything is as you say, mislynching me today over DDD could cost you the game. I find it very hard to believe town!Glork would be so apathetic about this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I need to start looking for a DDD buddy. Unfortunately, despite my paranoia, Glork is pretty damn town. Trying to find game breaking strategies is town.

Tierce and Tammy are town because Day 1 don't lie.

Hindu is rock solid town.

Dana is CONFIRMED town.

Time to Edgar Allen this shit. (... because he's Edgar Allen PoE).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

2. Teleporting Speed Hippos (AurorusVox + PeregrineV hydra) replacing AurorusVox pregame
6. Gammagooey
11. Katsuki
13. Magister Ludi
17. Nikanor
22. singersigner
26. ToastyToast

Singer's not scum. I don't think TSH is either.

Nikanor/Gamma/Kats, I think of all of them, Gamma is most likely scum, followed by Nikanor.

Toasty was RBd on a night with no kill, very likely to be a buddy?

ML seems pretty townie, but he's been very silent this game.

My list of DDD buddies is:

1. Toasty
2. Gamma
3. ML
4. Nik

[Tierce]

Time to Edgar Allen this shit. (... because he's Edgar Allen PoE).

No matter how busy I am tonight, this one needed quoted. That's brilliant.

[Vi]

Mini Vote Count (50):

(Top to bottom, left to right) Ashera, Sephiran, Zelgius, Numida, Lekain, Hetzel, Oliver, Valtome
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-4) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, ToastyToast, Magister Ludi, danakillsu,

Glork

Glork (L-7) ~ Katsuki
Gammagooey (L-7) ~ singersigner
Nikanor (L-7) ~ Hinduragi
ToastyToast (L-7) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro
Lady Lambdadelta (L-7) ~ Gammagooey

Not Voting:

Teleporting Speed Hippos, Nikanor, Tierce, Tammy,

Glork, Gammagooey,

Glork

--With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

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[ToastyToast]

@LLD: how am I likely to be a DDD buddy? Like, I understand if you think the RB implicates me, but as DDD's buddy?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD: how am I likely to be a DDD buddy? Like, I understand if you think the RB implicates me, but as DDD's buddy?

Just because you were RB'd.

DDD has to be scum. I'm not scum and there's not 2 Country Cops.

It's not due to any connection between you two. I'm just operating off the perspective I have where DDD must be scum.

[Glork]

LLD, what about the possibility of the missing kill coming from Tammy's commute?

I really don't think Toasty is scum right now...

[Glork]

EBWOP: Plus, Toasty is 100% pro-DDD lynch. Pretty sure it's near-suicidal for scum to be busing at this point.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, what about the possibility of the missing kill coming from Tammy's commute?

I really don't think Toasty is scum right now...

...

And I actually completely forgot about this.

Do you think scum would try and kill her though? Knowing she would commute?

I guess it's entirely possible. Infact, it might be the only other possible explanation?

So, let's assume Toasty is town then and they tried to kill Tammy.

Who would advocate a Tammy death?

More importantly, who would want HINDU dead too?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: Plus, Toasty is 100% pro-DDD lynch. Pretty sure it's near-suicidal for scum to be busing at this point.

I think this sentiment becomes less true as the number of targets alive for scum dwindle. Lower the number, more chance for bussing.

Especially if they know who they need to kill. I still don't think DDD was truthful about his targets.

[Glork]

Tammy calimed to be the King of Kilvas.... if indeed the scums' targets are "royalty," like Empress King Tibarn (MoI), Empress Sanaki (Alch, who is also on TSH's list of protectees), and Queen Elincia, then any scum would want Tammy dead...

[Vi]

Vote Count XLVII:

Janaff
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-4) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, ToastyToast, Magister Ludi, danakillsu
Glork (L-7) ~ Katsuki
Gammagooey (L-7) ~ singersigner
Nikanor (L-7) ~ Hinduragi
ToastyToast (L-7) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro
Lady Lambdadelta (L-7) ~ Gammagooey

Not Voting:

Teleporting Speed Hippos, Nikanor, Tierce, Tammy, Glork

-Nikanor and Teleporting Speed Hippos are being prodded...

--With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

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[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Especially if they know who they need to kill. I still don't think DDD was truthful about his targets.

And I think you're just a paranoia monger who has absolutely no reason to suggest that other than it defames me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Glork, what are the odds Vi made a scum target a commuter who can commute consecutive nights?

(Can Commuters be RB'd in NAR?)