NY Mafia 155 - New Age Mafia II - Game Over!

[Quilford]

Seriously, anyone who had reasons for thinking umoms was scummy... for fucks sake, die already.

This statement bothers me a lot. AGar seems to be far too sure that no one could have had valid reasons to think umoms was scummy. I don't think he even knows what the reasons are in most cases, and yet he blanket condemns them all.

Do you realize that this appears very much like trying to stifle discussion, right? This is very odd, especially after your comment that the game has a slow start.

This is also bothersome, because saying it 'appears like' stifling discussion suggests that nhammen knows that is not actually umoms' intent. But nhammen has been so consistent in sounding contrived at all times that I suspect it could be a personality tell more than a scumtell. Could do some meta reading to get a better idea if this is true or not, but let's be honest, I probably can't be bothered.

Unvote, Vote redFF

. Found somewhere better for my vote. I don't like the general brushing aside of the wagon just because it was quick. Justifying the fact that he and everyone else was only in it for the lol quicklynch, and there was generally nothing behind it. Giving people shit for prying into the votes on a bandwagon (spoiler alert: kind of the result of early bandwagoning, brah).

Yeah, unlike, say Tierce, who is sticking to her ridiculous guns, redFF is trying desperately to play down his association with the attempted quicklynch when he was one of the biggest proponents of it. And his attack on Rhinox in post 119 is tremendously insincere. He clearly didn't have a problem with Rhinox wanting umoms to address the points against her when he made post 99, but as soon as Rhinox starts getting some backlash, suddenly Rhinox is being totally dumb to suggest that there's anything for umoms to address. I don't see how you can reconcile those two posts.

UNVOTE: umoms
VOTE: redFF

You seem to be being

really

conservative and cautious with your language.

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I've slept on it, and I think Tierce is the way to go, you guys. Her bizarre play reeks of being caught in doing something stupid, and she seems smart enough to understand why that style of play is stupid.

No because pardon me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've been around at the right time to know Tierce well and I think her behaviour is summed up perfectly by what JDodge and Bella said in Post #168. I do wish she'd stop talking about it, though.

~~

So vote Rhinox instead. UT is also a tops vote.

[redFF]

that is absolutely beside the point.

you didn't have a problem with Rhinox until other people did.

I can't be suspicious of someone if someone else is suspicious of him?

[iamausername]

You seem to be being

really

conservative and cautious with your language.

I am not sure what I'm supposed to do with this information.

that is absolutely beside the point.

you didn't have a problem with Rhinox until other people did.

I can't be suspicious of someone if someone else is suspicious of him?

The problem is that you seem to be suspicious only

because

someone else was suspicious.

- Rhinox does a thing.
- You post, showing clear awareness that Rhinox has done this thing, and no suspicion of him for doing it.
- Other people post, saying that the thing Rhinox did was suspicious.
- You post again, and

now

you're suspicious of the thing that Rhinox did.

Why did it take so long for you to realise that what Rhinox did was supicious?

[redFF]

I don't see where I said I had no suspicion of Rhinox? I just said I had a reason for voting umoms.

And yes I posted that I was suspicious of Rhinox, responding to stuff Rhinox had said since my last post.

I really don't see the problem here.

[Quilford]

You seem to be being

really

conservative and cautious with your language.

I am not sure what I'm supposed to do with this information.

iunno either, I was just reading through your posts and I noticed you called nhammen out for really contrived language -- which is a super legit point -- and then I realised you'd been posting more conservatively and cautiously too, but more subtly to the point where it could be subconscious, even? nhammen smacks of someone using contrived language because he's not comfortable with this playerlist, whereas you smack of someone using contrived language because you don't want to draw attention to yourself.

[iamausername]

I don't see where I said I had no suspicion of Rhinox?

So you're saying you

were

suspicious of Rhinox when you made post 99, but you were still comfortable pushing for a quicklynch on the person he was voting?

iunno either, I was just reading through your posts and I noticed you called nhammen out for really contrived language -- which is a super legit point -- and then I realised you'd been posting more conservatively and cautiously too, but more subtly to the point where it could be subconscious, even? nhammen smacks of someone using contrived language because he's not comfortable with this playerlist, whereas you smack of someone using contrived language because you don't want to draw attention to yourself.

OK. Thanks for letting me know.

[Quilford]

b(.-.)b

[Quilford]

haha wait

p(.-.)p

[redFF]

@iaun
I don't really remember how I felt towards Rhinox when I made post 99, though it was definitely his posting on the next page that made me think more about him, so no I wouldn't say I was suspicious of him around post 99. You're putting words in my mouse and trying to get an wagon going on "easy pray" now that people are calling you out for lurking.

[Quilford]

those are funny typos

[redFF]

heh
*mouth

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote Count:

10 to lynch

nhammen: 7 (JDodge, Simenon, AGar, Primate, redFF, Glork, Untrod Tripod)
Tierce: 4 (scooby, Thestatusquo, Quagmire, Staeg)
Rhinox: 3 (umoms, Quilford, Tierce)
redFF: 3 (Flameaxe, Rhinox, iamausername)
umoms: 1 (nhammen)
Thestatusquo: 1 (Bella)

Not Voting: 0

Current Deadline:

Sunday August 5th, 10 PM EST

[Primate]

It's possible I might fall a couple hours foul of the post deadline getting home tonight, so prod dodge.

[iamausername]

@iaun
I don't really remember how I felt towards Rhinox when I made post 99, though it was definitely his posting on the next page that made me think more about him, so no I wouldn't say I was suspicious of him around post 99.

Could you be more specific about what prompted your suspicion of Rhinox? Because I'm having trouble seeing post 119 as a reaction to anything besides post 91.

You're putting words in my mouse and trying to get an wagon going on "easy pray" now that people are calling you out for lurking.

I'm pretty sure nhammen would be much easier prey if that was what I was doing.

[redFF]

More 91-117 and everything in between, not just one post.

[JDodge]

You know what UT is really really strong scum, his latest post reads 'HI I AM STATING THE OBVIOUS TO SHOW MY CLEAR, TRANSPARENT, TOWNIE THOUGHT PROCESSES; OH AND ALSO DISREGARD THE FACT THAT THIS IS MY FIRST MEANINGFUL POST IN SEVEN PAGES.'

Anyone wanna wagon him?

I kind of like nhammen better still, but it's evening out enough that I'd be up for it.

[Glork]

I think we should massclaim.

[Rhinox]

Also, this redff wagon is bad and people should feel bad.

redFF: 1 (Flameaxe)

wow what a wagon.

unvote, vote redff

dumb? or scummy?

redff is dumb for sure. But mostly I'm just interested in exploring why JD seemed to overreact to one vote on red.

I don't see any evidence of Rhinox looking for motivations--he's jumping on actions and declaring them scummy without showing how, if ever, said actions further the scum cause. He's more interested in criticism than in finding scum.

So would you say your post shows evidence of looking for my motivation, or shows how, if ever, my actions further the scum cause? >.>

I don't know what you mean about more interested in criticism than finding scum. I think umoms is scummy and I've explained why. What part do you have a problem with? Can you show me examples of what you're saying I'm doing here?

I've been trying to get actually responses/discussions about things because thats how I play. When people react with "what the fuck is this shit" or "you're just making things up as you go" - that stuff is just useless rhetoric meant to look like you're doing something when you're not doing jack shit. "what the fuck is this shit" says nothing about what you think the problem is or why. "you're just making things up as you go" isn't even trying. Unfortunately this is the type of play thats the acceptable and "cool" way to play in the current meta. Its just not how I play.

[Flameaxe]

I think we should massclaim.

This guy is a winner in life. We should all follow his logic.

[Staeg]

Yeah totally.

[Simenon]

I could buy a UT wagon. Love his response to JDodge: "I'm not posting because I can't decide how I feel about this one thing."

[Glork]

I'm being 100% serious. It should have worked in both Almost Normal and Closed Normal in Team Mafia, had the town done it right. I think people are terrified of massclaims, but it's such a struggle for scums to fake something D1 and maintain it throughout the game. They basically can't claim any information role other than regular-cop, which seems to have fallen out of favor in today's meta. They can claim Doctor, but if there's any SK, multiball, a real doctor, etc., they're walking corpses. There are very few fakeclaims scums can come up with D1. I want it to happen.

[Staeg]

Yeah totally.

This is now serious.

[AGar]

Seriously, anyone who had reasons for thinking umoms was scummy... for fucks sake, die already.

This statement bothers me a lot. AGar seems to be far too sure that no one could have had valid reasons to think umoms was scummy. I don't think he even knows what the reasons are in most cases, and yet he blanket condemns them all.

It was a page 3 wagon aimed at a quicklynch in which several voters just called for a quicklynch. If there were actual reasons (other than the bullshit nhammen and Rhinox have made up), please enlighten me on these Page 2 scumtells you miraculously can find, because I'd love to hear them, since I've obviously been playing wronger than I already thought I've been for these past 3 years.

I'm being 100% serious. It should have worked in both Almost Normal and Closed Normal in Team Mafia, had the town done it right. I think people are terrified of massclaims, but it's such a struggle for scums to fake something D1 and maintain it throughout the game. They basically can't claim any information role other than regular-cop, which seems to have fallen out of favor in today's meta. They can claim Doctor, but if there's any SK, multiball, a real doctor, etc., they're walking corpses. There are very few fakeclaims scums can come up with D1. I want it to happen.

I'm ok with this.

[Staeg]

However, glorky, why didn't you suggest this earlier?