Well, I've prepared a summary of Day 1, but I realised as I got to the bit with B Rob's massive post, that it was covering roughly the same thing. But I'll post it anyway, because a new perspective is always good, and it might remove some of the imagery that I never contribute.
Day 1 Summary
Random Voting
People voted a lot. Not much else, since random voting starts the game by providing conflict.
Varian vs. Rosso Carne
This argument started Varian defined what a maverick was, and Rosso Carne complained that this was an insult to his intelligence.
Rosso Carne wrote:unvote, vote:varian
for thinking im stupid enough not to open freaking wikipedia.
Then various people took the sides of the brawlers. Anti-Varians consisted of Rosso Carne and Channel Delibird, while anti-Rosso Carnes, consited of Varian and serinah80.
Serinah80's Third Vote
Serinah80 recived two votes from ChannelDelibird and Maverick for putting the third vote on Rosso Carne, (the other two being Varian, and yours truly via a random vote).
Rosso Carne also expressed his suspisions about serinah80.
Rosso Carne wrote:serinah80 wrote:unvote
vote
Rosso Carne
If Varian over reacted, then Rosso started it by being agressive.
Acting like a jerk means acting like a scum in my book. Especially so early in the game...
(note: I didn't say he was a jerk, I said he acted like it.)
8)
Here's one to say: I am, in fact, a jerk. =D
You're argument is so wierd, I don't kno where to begin. Maybe with, like, there are certain people in this world that would always be considered scummy on those grounds. On that note,
unvote
and throw a true and actual
FOS:serinah
for trying to start an early bandwagon on crap data.
Varian, however, pointed out that the third vote when it took seven to lynch, was not terribly important.
Varian wrote:And since when is placing the 3rd vote when it takes 7 so horrible? If he placed the 6th, ok. But the 3rd? I'd say you guys are the ones trying to build a bandwagon out of air.
Meanwhile in
Varian vs. Rosso Carne
Erotomachia claimed that Rosso Carne was more agressive than Varian (post 38 ), and pBug voted for Rosso Carne (post 40).
Back On The Ranch in
Serinah80's Third Vote
Serinah80 defended her vote hopping, as a noobish random vote jumping.
serinah80 wrote:
Also I don't see how two random votes are suspicious. I'm a noob and I like to jump around with voting here and there. Why is it suspicious on the first day if we don't really know anything anyway? All votings are random in their nature anyway.
In response to this ChannelDelibird unvoted her.
ChannelDelibird wrote:First of all,
unvote: Serinah80
I think you're confusing the word 'impression' with 'argument' here. But anyway, I see the point you're trying to make about the random votes, serinah, but really after you've done one it's a bit pointless and needlessly confusing to do a second. I would normally interpret it as a way to mask not wanting to lynch the person you originally random voted for.
But I agree with B Rob - it's not helping because it's not about anything remotely important. The only way we'll get useful information about behaviour is if it's in reaction to something actually related to the game.
Which leads us into...
Maverick's Jumps
Maverick accused ChannelDelibird of 'agreement without contribution'.
Maverick wrote:Alright,
Unvote: Serinah80, Vote:ChannelDelibird
You keep coming in and agreeing with what everyone else is saying, you don't add anything to discussions that is your own opinion to help us get more information. All you have done is make votes for no reason, and then agree with what other people are saying when you unvote. To me it seems like a desperate attemp to get the finger off of yourself.
Serinah80 claimed that Maverick was becoming suspitious due to his jumping and pointing at everyone.
serinah80 wrote:I think you're confusing the word 'impression' with 'argument' here. But anyway, I see the point you're trying to make about the random votes, serinah, but really after you've done one it's a bit pointless and needlessly confusing to do a second. I would normally interpret it as a way to mask not wanting to lynch the person you originally random voted for.
ChannelDelibird got my meaning. I forgot that you use the word "impress" with a positive meaning only in English. My apologies.
And thanks for clearing up the reason why continuous random voting can be suspicious. I hadn't thought about it. You mean, that if I and Maverick were a scum, I could easily make him my random vote and then quicly change it to mask a cooperation?
Well, that's not what happened here. I was just being silly.
Alright, Unvote: Serinah80, Vote:ChannelDelibird
You keep coming in and agreeing with what everyone else is saying, you don't add anything to discussions that is your own opinion to help us get more information. All you have done is make votes for no reason, and then agree with what other people are saying when you unvote. To me it seems like a desperate attemp to get the finger off of yourself.
- Maverick.
I'm not sure that ChannelDelibird hasn't shared his own ideas nor given new helpful information. But even if it is true, it does not show that he's a scum. I don't think I have either. You can hardly say that comment about knives is relevant, can't you?
Another thought. If CB would not post his reflections on the situation, you could accuse him in lurking. And I think you would.
Which brings me to my main thought. Why are you so jumpy and pointing at everyone all the time? Your actions are far more suspecious than ChannelDelibird's.
Unvote Rosso Crane
Fos: Maverick.
Maverick claimed that he was agressive on purpose to start discussion.
Maverick wrote:Finally some good discussion. I've been overly aggressive the entire game on purpose and nobody, until now has noticed.. or at least said anything about it. All I'm trying to do is to start conversation that will actually lead to something, not trying to make myself suspicious.
As of now, I'm happy with my vote on ChannelDelibird, because I still say that he's trying too hard to cover something. He may not be scum, but from all we have to go by, in my opinion he is the most suspicious.
Oh and Serinah80, just so you know you didn't bold your unvote so the mod won't get it.
BRob then voted Maverick anyway.
ChannelDelibird also became suspisious (see post 63).
Interlude: Twito Arguments
Twito breaks the lurker cycle and comes out with suspisions for ChannelDelibird.
Twito wrote:Rosso Carne first completely over reacted and replied something that made no sence since what Varian had said had nothing to do with him. He even votes based on this completely made up evidence. Then Varian pointed this out and (counter?)voted Rosso Carne for acting like moron. Rosso counter confirmvoted after that which is a scum tell to me.
Then ChannelDelibird fosses Varian for over reacting even though Rosso had first agressively over reacted.
serinah80 points out Rossos behavior and votes him.
Maverick votes serinah saying that serinah didn’t give argument againts Rosso when he voted even though he did. Looks like Maverick is trying to re-direct the conversation away from Rosso.
ChannelDelibird hops on serinah wagon.
Rosso unvotes his confirmed vote and fosses serinah for trying to start an early bandwagon on crap data even though there is currently an attempt to start wagon on serinah with worse data. Since when is placing the 3rd vote when it takes 7 so horrible?
B Rob makes his first post. Right away he fosses both Varian and Rosso saying that conversation is useless. Imo that has given some nice info.
ChannelDelibird unvotes Serinah80 as he notices that wagon didn’t catch fire. Doesn’t really give any reason as to why he unvotes.
Then agrees with B Rob hoping that ppl ignore the whole conversation.
Maverick Unvote: Serinah80, Vote:ChannelDelibird. No reason given for Serinah unvote other than the vote on ChannelDelibird which imo has some good points.
Serinah now unvotes Rosso Crane and fosses Maverick.
As interest againts earlier suspects has fallen B Rob now tries to direct the conversation on me with kinda shit reasons since he blames me for only posting 2 times and he himself has only posted 2 times.
Based on that:
Vote ChannelDelibird
and fosses on many others.
Then warpdragon breaks his lurker cycle as well, and argues against ChannelDelibird.
warpdragon wrote:Hello all. Sorry for not posting more, but I was out of town.
I have read the thread and feel that Twito is trying to take up space and make it look like his posts mean anything. He also makes it look like he accidental messed up his unvoting of ChannelDelibird, however, he was never voting him to begin with. In fact, his vote should still be on varian. Interestingly enough, he neither names his fos's nor fos's CDB when he feints the unvote.
Vote: Twito
B Rob looks to be taking the easy way out with the lurker wagon but is in reality not helping the town because he did not even notice I had not said anything. The varian and rosso carne argument was a lot of overreaction but it did lead to some good discussion for dissection. ChannelDelibird also seems kind of suspicious, but maverick does as well. I'll need a little more time to sort that one out.
TB agrees that Maverick is agressive and votes him.
B Rob Band
This band started when Maverick accused B Rob of lurking, and taking the easy way out.
Maverick wrote:Actually I don't recall ever asking to be lynched, all I said is that if you don't believe that I'm town I can't convince you so the only way to find out for sure is to lynch me. I guess that means "Lynch me please", because that's how your taking it.
Also
Unvote: ChannelDelibird, Vote: B Rob
Because BRob is playing one of the weirdest games I've seen.. he starts off saying hardly anything and somewhat lurking as to cover something. Then he votes someone else for the same reason and when someone notices he unvotes and starts talking a lot, and now seems to be taking the easiest bandwagon possible "The guy 'asking' to be lynched". ChannelDelibird quickly follows, not to say they started the wagon but they definately have made it an official wagon. Right now you two are the most suspicious to me.
Varian comes along for the ride as well.
B Rob then analyses Maverick and deems him town, as well as unvoting him.
B Rob wrote:Maverick, if you weren't seeking your own lynch, then you should be more clear about it. This post is about as clear as mud:
Maverick wrote:That's not true, if I were to get lynched then people would see that I was town, and it would give them a better idea of who is scum. I'm not saying I should be lynched, nor am I saying that me being lynched would give town scum for sure. But I definately think it would narrow it down a bit.
This is what you say in the following order:
1) Lynch me because then you'll see my alignment.
2) You shouldn't lynch me.
3) Lynching me may not help you find any scum.
4) Lynching me would reduce the number of players, which would help you find scum.
Then you post this:
Maverick wrote:Actually I'm pretty sure I havn't backed off at all. Right now the fingers of many are pointing at me, which in turn will lead to something else whether I get lynched or not. Something is bound to happen from this, and that's all I wanted. I honestly don't care if people believe me, so if it takes me getting lynched to figure out i'm just town go for it.
It really seems like you want to be lynched.
Hmm... after reading his posts again, I think Maverick is town. As for weather or not he was asking to be lynched, I think it's debatable at best. I'm going to
Unvote: Maverick
However, ChannelDelibird still argues that Maverick's arguments are confusing the town.
ChannelDelibird wrote:He's still doing a very good job of confusing the town with all this though. He's an experienced player, so I'm leaning more towards the idea that he's deliberately doing that rather than the idea that he's just getting tangled up in his own thoughts. Vote stands.
Rosso Carne votes B Rob for unvoting.
Rosso Carne wrote:Wow, and we find another victim of "Oh fuck, someone suspects me, I better unvote" syndrome. Honestly, this is time and time again classic IE scumtell. Add in the fact that You seem to be backing but not overall connecting to serinah, and BRob definitely has scummy on him.
Vote:BRob
TB votes Rosso Carne for being protective of Maverick
TB wrote:All right, that post is the limit.
Unvote, vote Rosso Carne
.
I'm getting the feeling that Maverick's buddy's are trying to protect him by attacking B Rob, while the arguments they use are extremely poor.
I understand B Rob's reasons for unvoting, and I was tempted to unvote myself, but since Maverick was still the most supicious guy in my book, I didn't. With this post:
Rosso Carne wrote:I also had other scummy vibes from you, and none from mav.
that completely changed.
I don't think it's possible to get no scummy vibes from Mav. By don't explaining yourself on the "other scummy vibes" you don't have a lot of evidence.
Either Maverick is scum and Rosso Carne is trying to protect him, or Maverick is protown and Rosso Carne is scum trying to convince other people that they shouldn't e making a mislynch, thus gaining the trust of the town.
14 posts later, B Rob votes Varian for being the most scummy.
B Rob wrote:Varian wrote:If someone asks to be lynched, ignore that, and judge them based on other things. For instance, if I was getting attacked from all sides, even if I was town, sooner or later, if my defense kept failing, I would just be like "Fine, lynch me then." Its a sign of frustration, and that is no where near the level of LAL.
That sounds more like an admission of defeat then a sign of frustration. But that's semantics.
Varian wrote:Its not that hard to ignore a "Fine, lynch me" comment and make a vote based on everything else aside from it. If they
are
scum, chances are they'll have more scummy indicators than just that.
What are Maverick's other scummy indicators? Remember, you are voting for me because I unvoted Maverick.
Honestly, this is a matter of opinion, and if you want to lynch me over my idea, then you need to rethink your standards.
Unvote: Rosso Carne Vote: Varian
I think either or both of them could be scum. Varian seems the scummiest at this point.
The old serinah80 vs. ChannelDelibird argument shows up for ten posts, before finally being resolved.
ChannelDelibird wrote:serinah80 wrote:ChannelDelibird - logical, thinks through everything he says. I personally find this type of players the most suspicious. maybe it's because I'm the exact opposite by nature. I don't understand sherlocks. so FoS CDB.
You think I'm scum because I play differently to you? WTF?
FoS: serinah
It is not in your best interests to just get rid of everything you 'don't understand'.
ChannelDelibird wrote:serinah80 wrote:Me not geting you might be because my way of thinking is different than yours. "I don't understand you" should be actually read here: "I can't imagine what it's like to be a methodical and logical person." So here I'm basically saying that your actions might not be suspecious but I only see them like that.
That is the point that I recognised you making and was concerned about. I have not been twisting your words but I don't think there's any point pursuing this argument any more, we've both got our points across.
PBug, in post 138, thinks that B Rob is jumpy.
PBuG wrote:Vote: B Rob
very jumpy. Suspects anyone that votes for him. Hmmmmmm...
TB, wtf.
TB wrote:which means that there is a good chance they are scum trying to get us lynching each other.. [/b]
Have you played mafia before? That would be an extemely bad assumption of three players, two of which are highly experienced.
Then, Twito pushes B Rob for a roleclaim.
Twito wrote:There is absolutely no discussion. I think we should get some.
So..
B Rob, what about a roleclaim?
Unvote: ChannelDelibird
Vote: B Rob
B Rob then puts forward his arugument that Day 1 roleclaimers only benefit scum.
B Rob wrote:I haven't posted because I'm working on a long analytical post. I should be done by later tonight. If you lynch me before then, then town deserves to lose.
Twito wrote:There is absolutely no discussion. I think we should get some.
So..
B Rob, what about a roleclaim?
Unvote: ChannelDelibird
Vote: B Rob
No.
Day 1 roleclaims only benefit scum.
Maverick puts foward the possiblity that B Rob could be town.
Maverick wrote:Pbug, there are many votes on BRob right now, and I can't recall right off hand of more than one person he's suspected that has voted for him. I'm starting to think BRob may be town, but as of now none of us really have anything else to go by. I don't know about pbug either though, he doesn't post much, then when he does his information either doesn't help at all, or doesn't make since. Then calling himself a highly expierenced player, even if it is true I don't like cockiness. Just my opinion though.
And finally, for the last major event in Day 1, B Rob posts his famous post, thrice. This causes a stream of unvoting due generally to "major contribution".
And so that is all I have to offer at this time.
I'm not trying to get in the way of B Rob's post, this is meerly a summary, as I see events. I hope this helps in some respect. I hope this qualifies as a major contribution.