Mini 332 - Camp Scum Lake - Mod Abandoned

[Rosso Carne]

vote:PBuG

. might as well lynch him now before he has to be replaced.

[Rosso Carne]

lol, reference to your hiatus a bit back, noted in n00B 220 and RAF

[Rosso Carne]

^^^Heh, it is^^^

[Rosso Carne]

unvote, vote:varian

for thinking im stupid enough not to open freaking wikipedia.

[Rosso Carne]

confirm vote: varian

Yeah, I think explosions in the face of a vote, esp against an obvious jerk is a definite scum tell.

[Rosso Carne]

unvote
vote

Rosso Carne

If Varian over reacted, then Rosso started it by being agressive.
Acting like a jerk means acting like a scum in my book. Especially so early in the game...

(note: I didn't say he was a jerk, I said he acted like it.)

8)

Here's one to say: I am, in fact, a jerk. =D

You're argument is so wierd, I don't kno where to begin. Maybe with, like, there are certain people in this world that would always be considered scummy on those grounds. On that note,

unvote

and throw a true and actual

FOS:serinah

for trying to start an early bandwagon on crap data.

[Rosso Carne]

with all due respect, it is page 2.

And yes you overreacted. I'm a part of this conversation based on the fact that I'm a part of this game. If you can't take random voting without exploding, whats the point of it.

[Rosso Carne]

Sorry I havent been on in a bit.

Just to end this, I like getting into an argument and be a jerk D1, as its the only way to get any information out of anyone. I didnt want to start a major bicker contest, but explosions on D1 have always helped in later days. And no one take any true offense to this, but if you think I'm bad, don't even think about playing with some others *cough*BJ*cough*AniX*cough*

As for t3h actual content. Serinah's actions through the game have been odd to me. I have some suspiscions as to who her partner may be if she turns out scum. 2 or 3 people have illustrated scummy behavior while trying to distance themselves from Serinah.

and btw

!list

and

aud: can we get a prod on warpdragon

as he hasnt checked in.

[Rosso Carne]

First of all, @ BRob, I feel its better kept for now, and if you're going to hold it against me, just know that (assuming a supposed setup of 3 scum) the other pairs (assuming serinah turns up scum) are different dependent on later information. So with all these dependent variables, giving scum an out like that is a bad idea.

@ Serinah: I've always tended to think that voting someone with plausible (keyword) reasons, then pulling it off about 10 posts later without other plausible reasons is extremely scummy behavior. The "Vote, oh fuck, someone suspects me, unvote" syndrome.

[Rosso Carne]

Wow, and we find another victim of "Oh fuck, someone suspects me, I better unvote" syndrome. Honestly, this is time and time again classic IE scumtell. Add in the fact that You seem to be backing but not overall connecting to serinah, and BRob definitely has scummy on him.

Vote:BRob

[Rosso Carne]

{WARNING: THIS IS A JOKE}

Notice the at the end of the paragraph, and the <.< and >.> to denote shift eyes at the start.

>.> {<---shifty eyes}
<.< {<---more shifty eyes}
{these denote jokes}

WTF I hit a nail on the head? Did you look that fact up on wikipedia? {<---winking face}

{YOU MAY NOW RETURN TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED GAME OF MAFIA}

[Rosso Carne]

Wow, and we find another victim of "Oh fuck, someone suspects me, I better unvote" syndrome. Honestly, this is time and time again classic IE scumtell. Add in the fact that You seem to be backing but not overall connecting to serinah, and BRob definitely has scummy on him.

Vote:BRob

Rip him appart? Come on, you make is sound like there's that much to go on! I had a little more time to think over it, and I've decided that he's probably protown. He really wasn't asking to be lynched, that was a misinterpretation on my part. Note: Channel Delibird seemed to buy into my misinterpretation. I unvoted him because I think he is protown. Shouldn't we lynch scum?

And how am I linked to serinah? I haven't mentioned her at all, nor has she mentioned me. It sounds like you are trying to establish a potential scum pair that you can point to.

Vote: Rosso Carne

Slightly WIFOM here, but why would scum mention one another during the day, especially day 1. Just seems like that would put a target on scums heads right off the bat.

I say youre actions are linked as it seems that you're voting/suspiscion record are practically the same, as well as your "oh fuck..." behaviors (guess I'll be writing that a lot this game). on top of this, I feel your vote is slightly OMGUS.

[Rosso Carne]

So? Maverick did the same thing to me, and you said nothing.

I also had other scummy vibes from you, and none from mav.

[Rosso Carne]

or, i honestly got nothing but a little aggression from mav. He never really asked to be lynched, that was fabricated/misread/whatever, and how are you sposed to get any information without a little aggression. I thought his bandwagon was extremely unreasonable mostly scum taking advantage of a mob mentality.

[Rosso Carne]

Although I dont like BRob at this point, pushing a claim like that is far and away out there. It's too early to give scum a possible big out like that. It's page 6, and we really don't have much hard information.

[Rosso Carne]

And after about 20 minutes of my life down the tubes, I suddenly wish this was Bad Idea mafia.

First off, you wanna throw accusations at me D1, don't use that kind of logic. I'm a jerk, thats not scummy. It's the way I play, so get over it. And as far as accusations of lurking, well sorry I don't submit a point by point analysis of the entire 9 pages of game. Sorry to sound like a jackass about that, but you're fishing, and thats such a scummy move D1. What scum wouldn't want a D1 claim. Easy target or easy person to set up for not dying during the night.

BRob, your question earlier, 2 or 3 people included channeldel, eroto, and yourself. They were

feelings

, and now that theres some actual information on the table, the Meatdar points somewhere else. Also keep in mind, I wasnt suspecting you earlier cuz you unvoted, I suspected you because you erratically shifted your views as pretty much any misshapen post was made, first to me, then mav, then varian, etc.

I don't quite know what to think about you {and dont take this personally for later games I may have with you}. General freshmen {including myself} enjoy making PBPAs cuz it signifies making justice to the town, and acting as a sort of scribe, but I don't like the general pull from you that followed...

EOP, as duty calls. I'll finish this thought tommorow.

[Rosso Carne]

First off, thanks for actually letting me finish my post.

To finish, PBPAs are viewed, by many experienced players as a way to both bog down the game and as a scum technique to suck up to the town. You wanna attack me for metagaming and keeping good policy? Do it outside the game.

As for the rest, BRob, your post is incredibly beneficial, not really to my opinion of you, but helped nonetheless. Twito, you want a quick day 1? Why is this? day 1 is where you get the most information to be used later when the town actually has some hard information to use.

BRob, the statement I was going to hope you wouldnt take offense to is that you are still not horrible experienced, so if you are scum, you probably wouldnt be ballsy enough to post such a huge post without garnering such suspiscion. The reaction to your posts however, really point to scum bandwagoners.

unvote, vote:twito

[Rosso Carne]

I'm used to day / lynch or max 2days / lynch.

In a 12 player game, 1-2 days is hardly enough to get random the random voting stage in. Fast day=no informaton-->easy scum win

[Rosso Carne]

@eroto:

Even a week is hardly enough for 12 uninformed people to form an opinion, supply it, and then add to it based on what others give. there's no reason to demand a quick day, and its horrible for the town if that happens. How else was I supposed to take that?

[Rosso Carne]

point by point analysis

[Rosso Carne]

I again feel a reference to "I'm FREE, FREE" coming.

[Rosso Carne]

I guess what set me off is that I absolutely hate claim pushers, especially in board games {scumchat, not so much, where D1 massclaims are commonplace}. A claim D1 helps no one but scum in about 70% of situations. So in that case, explosion necessary.

[Rosso Carne]

...you did that... O_o

[Rosso Carne]

What??? Where the hell are you getting that from??? I was the 5th vote on him, and I didn't even consider lynching him until this wagon started developing!

FOS Maverick

oh, come on, quit jumping around like this, BRob! You can't fos someone because they made some stupid mistake or thinking you did something you really didn't...

2 - I agree that no one should get away with acting like a jerk even if he's town but that's not my reason for voting RCrane. My reason is he's pointing his finger around. You know it's actually strange, because BRob has done that too but he doesn't feel scummy doing that...
Can't explaine that right now. Havta think...

uhhhh, does anyone else find these two out of sync? More to come laterz on.


And a scummy Twito wagon, Mr. BRob, you jump around more than some particular mexican beanz.

[Rosso Carne]

Let's examine Uncle Rosso's wagon, shall we?

Random Vote: Rosso Carne

Mostly because it sounds Italian.[/b]

to which I responded

^^^Heh, it is^^^

Next, all you bw scum jumped on

unvote, vote:varian for thinking im stupid enough not to open freaking wikipedia.

to which I got a nice

Um... huh?

That wasn't even directed at you, Mr Brilliance.

You weren't even involved in the conversation about maverick having to do with knives. Not even mentioning the fact that a Razz usually denotes a joke.

Unless you've got 2 accounts in the same game?

Unvote, Vote: Rosso Carne for being incredibly and wrongly touchy.

unvote
vote Rosso Carne

If Varian over reacted, then Rosso started it by being agressive.
Acting like a jerk means acting like a scum in my book. Especially so early in the game...

(note: I didn't say he was a jerk, I said he acted like it.)

Cool

{also starting the massive many misspellings of my name by serinah -_-} along with my backing by Mav and CDB, and eroto attacking me ON PAGE 2 {if you people don't get that I was freaking joking by now just say so and I'll get replaced}

Then came the

Rosso Carne, you are at fault here. Varian was not saying "Oh, you must all be incredibly stupid not to know what maverick means", but that was what you took from his post. You were clearly not random voting, and to say it was is clearly trying to avert suspicion.

Unvote; Vote: Rosso Carne

followed by

I don't think we can lynch Rosso for being rude.

and

Also, I do find it suspicious that Rosso Carne random voted twice

As for Rosso Carne, I don't feel any need to vote him due to two random votes because that is weird but not lynch worthy..

The Mav quote is obvious in that ITS PAGE 2, I'm allowed to randomly vote however many times I wish for whatever pun I'm trying to make. It's not going to upset the balance of the game.
The serinah quote is gonna be hit on laterz.

Then BRob jumps down my throat cuz I wanted to keep a little thinking secret, which eh..I guess I can agree with, but it was page 3 and those things are definitely better left to the dirt pile until more solid info comes up. Then Serinah backs off {uhh yeah} but complains I was being too aggressive. Well, in the words of a great man:

Would you prefer I not start bandwagons, and we all sit around singing "Kumbaya"?

We get no discussion whatsoever if no one does anything. I like starting discussion, and starting random wagons and arguments early is great to do that, but its usually nothing with lynching over unless someone does something stupid. It almost always leads to better discussion and an overall better day. But you people have let this explode and day just keeps dragging and dragging. So back to my wagon: About this tie the mav attacks came {TB, eroto, BRob, CDB, twito, and yellow all voiced some stuff} so Uncle Rosso was out fo the loop {except I attacked BRob}. Then BRob OMGUS's me

Rip him appart? Come on, you make is sound like there's that much to go on! I had a little more time to think over it, and I've decided that he's probably protown. He really wasn't asking to be lynched, that was a misinterpretation on my part. Note: Channel Delibird seemed to buy into my misinterpretation. I unvoted him because I think he is protown. Shouldn't we lynch scum?

And how am I linked to serinah? I haven't mentioned her at all, nor has she mentioned me. It sounds like you are trying to establish a potential scum pair that you can point to.Vote: Rosso Carne

And TB follows suit with this pair

I also had other scummy vibes from you, and none from mav.

All right, that post is the limit. Unvote, vote Rosso Carne.
I'm getting the feeling that Maverick's buddy's are trying to protect him by attacking B Rob, while the arguments they use are extremely poor.
I understand B Rob's reasons for unvoting, and I was tempted to unvote myself, but since Maverick was still the most supicious guy in my book, I didn't. With this post:

I also had other scummy vibes from you, and none from mav.

that completely changed.
I don't think it's possible to get no scummy vibes from Mav. By don't explaining yourself on the "other scummy vibes" you don't have a lot of evidence.

Either Maverick is scum and Rosso Carne is trying to protect him, or Maverick is protown and Rosso Carne is scum trying to convince other people that they shouldn't e making a mislynch, thus gaining the trust of the town.

Yeah, you were trying to lynch a guy because he "asked to be lynched" {GAH BUT REALLY DIDN'T}
Then BRob shifts from me to Varian. Serinah:

Rosso Crane - my favourite scum. Smile Well, I think he is. Agressive and sharp. His goal of game seems to be lynching someone. It might be town that likes action but I think it's a scum that wants to win. I'll be quite surprised if he turns up dead tomorrow. or any other day for that matter.

...and after I didn't jump on the Mav wagon. BRob posts his pbpas and PBuG resurfaces from the depths to unvote, vote BRob, then unvote for "major contribution" and get back on me. Twito follows suit:

Sorry I'm not buying it. I think you are acting scummy and saying that's just the way you play doesn't make it okey.

Vote: Rosso Carne

Oh, but I'm sorry Mr. Twito, Youre acting scummy and the way you play doesnt make it ok either *crying face* Yellow unvotes his random vote. PBuG and Twito back up their as me countering and such. Serinah again misspells my name in a wagoneer attack:

When you say something like: "I'm waiting a reaction" meaning that you'll probably have a scum reacting, then you probably will not have a reaction.

Almost every time Rosso Crane writes something I wanna vote him. Now after his voting Twito was gonna vote him.
But then someone said it's a bandwagon. That made me rethink voting. Don't want to look scummy.

But you know what?? I don't think it's a bandwagon anymore. If a guy is acting so agressive all the time, if he's only way of playing is changing votes all the time for crappy reasons, then he is scummy. Yeah, I've had enough. Voting Twito for bloody having an opinion about game speed?!!

Twito thought that we could play faster. Well, so what?? Of course it would be great! I'd love it too. To wish or maybe enven say a little bit impatiently that he's used to 1-2 day lynches is not scummy in my book.
Voting for such behaviour is.

The more I play the more sure I am.

vote: Rosso Crane

And thats about it. Analysis to come laterz on.

[Rosso Carne]

In review:

Let's analyze the reasons Rosso has been voted on.
1.

I am agressive and try to incite discussion.

Although it's a little of a lot of people, this is captained by serinah. The main point of day 1 is to have a paper trail of information for which to pound scum later. This can't be done if all we do day I is sit around, name our town, go to church, sit around eating fast food all day, and eventually go and vote no lynch cuz we love each other so much. There has got to be discussion and I started some. Jumping down my throat cuz i get people talking is senseless.

2.

I didn't find Mav scummy {dot dot dot}

Uhhh, I still don't get this one. Started by TB and later sorta getting a following by BRob, eroto, and even Mav himself, I don't get how that's even a plausible reason for scumminess. I more felt the people on Mav's wagon were scummy for wanting him lynched. He never asked to be lynched. There's got to be some scum on that wagon, cuz if Mav were lynched and turned up town, we'd have had no information, and scum win day 1.

3.

I pushed a twit wagon

Twit acts scummy. He tells me that the way I play is no excuse for acting scummy. Well Twit, you act scummy, but the only backing you have for it {as given by serinah} is thats how you always play.

What bothers me the most are serinah's on again, of again relationship with me. It seems like every other post she changes her view of whether it's ethical to lynch someone for being a jerk, based on if the votes are falling my way. She jumps on every wagon started and pulls off whenever anyone else does, each time saying either "we cant lynch Rosso for being rude" or "let's lynch Rosso, no jerks in this town!" That just strikes me {as is I'd hope be obvious} of scummish behavior. YOU serinah, want someone lynched, and the votes have hit me the most, but once they fall away, youre gone too. EVERY TIME like clockwork.

On that note I hate PBuG's lurking too. He resurfaces the one time Rosso gets hit, and calmly unvotes and revotes in succession.

And twit is just scummy. If an argument based on metagaming doesnt work for one's personality, then an argument based on metaaming surely doesnt work for one's play style.

[Rosso Carne]

...bandwagon=lots of votes quick...

Uh, you voted me cuz im agressive.
[quote="serinah]
But then again if you continuously act as one then others are gonna think you unpleasant person.
[/quote]
If I'm so unpleasant, get replaced, don't sacrifice the game.

[Rosso Carne]

EBWODP

...bandwagon=lots of votes quick...

Uh, you voted me cuz im agressive.

But then again if you continuously act as one then others are gonna think you unpleasant person.

If I'm so unpleasant, get replaced, don't sacrifice the game.

[Rosso Carne]

If I had the patience to do a statistical analysis of how often you were voting me I would {and if someone really cares i will} but its pretty clear your attacks on me were backed on my original hit on varian. aside from random voting, I've attacked you BRob and twit. Hardly jumping.

[Rosso Carne]

FTR, scratch the PBuG and varian votes please sirs.

[Rosso Carne]

pretty sure I have

[Rosso Carne]

in other news, Mr. BRob, I really have changed to thinking youre one of the few idiots with a head on your shoulders.

[Rosso Carne]

chef:I don't hate you.

[Rosso Carne]

look it up on wikipedia for proof,

[Rosso Carne]

I've had to take it easy with helping my wife college shop, and with mememeet a lotta games are going quite slow. PICK UP DISCUSSION!!!!!!!

<---decided

[Rosso Carne]

why not lynch TB? of cource if he's town, it'd be bad...

Yeah, lynching townies is bad.

And anyone suggesting we lynch lurkers, IGMEOY.

[Rosso Carne]

to go along:
twito and serinah {pretty sure about twito, and serinah seems as if shes his scum partner}

[Rosso Carne]

@serinah and chef: WIKIFY

[Rosso Carne]

Rosso is at 4/6, and my role doesn't have a sanity, so Rosso is definitely scum.

O RLY?

Well, while we're on the issue of claiming, I'd like to tell you all that I am indeed a RBer. Now it's clear that the reason we didn't have a kill n0 was cuz I blocked PBuG. I didn't bring it up simply cuz the kill coulda been doc protected.

[Rosso Carne]

oh yeah,

vote:PBuG

while im at it.

really wishing a real cop'd come out now.

[Rosso Carne]

I'd say it's pretty clear PBuG threw out a herring, and since I was among the most openly controversial people yesterday, a quick lynch would be pretty much backed. This really begs the question: why would PBuG investigate me. I wasn't scummy. I was the victim of a couple senseless bandwagons. PBuG is taking advantage of that.

[Rosso Carne]

It's Rosso's Birthday. For my present, I'd like PBuG lynched and revealed for the liar that he is. =D

[Rosso Carne]

O_O BASTARDMODDERY!

I was definitely not doing the kill n1. -_-

[Rosso Carne]

srsly, this town was severely overpowered.

-cop
-RBer w/ checking to see if they had a night action
-masons
-vig
-doc
-backup doc
-a lurking GF who gets the n0 kill in AFTER THE GAME STARTS!!! -_-

[Rosso Carne]

it was yb and warpdragon

[Rosso Carne]

Well, for what it's worth, we didn't actually have a cop. More along the lines of thief that requires the target to take a night action. And we did lynch the doc D1, and lose the vig N1. My plan also sucked on the basis that warpscum wasn't considered (even though with the correct lynching of yellow, we could have been 7 town v 1 scum, and then it's just deduction/waiting until serinah or PBug targets warp). I'm guessing warp would have been out of cabin had he attempted kill n1.

pretty sure i said that i didnt make the kill that night. Either bastardmoddery or the PM was unclear.

[Rosso Carne]

either way, this game is going into the "screwed over" category, especially since the backup doc now seems like it might have been a backup anything.

[Rosso Carne]

also, one more thing i realized before i left. the n0 kill was GRRRRAGH. again, our GF lurked so we never got a kill in, so aud PMed us. I went through the list hoping to have at least 24 hours to submit. After i looked, i figured mav should die, sent it in, and much to my dismay realized the game started already. I was pissed.

And aud never answered me as to whether the no kill was caused by not getting the choice in.