Mini 293: RE4 Mafia (Over)

[Lloyd]

Vote: Glork

[Lloyd]

Unvote

Vote: Dead Rikimaru

[Lloyd]

Vote: Glork

[Lloyd]

I'm Leon Kennedy, Resident Evil 4's main character (vigilante in this mafiascum game).

* Night 0 - Kelly Chen (luck on my part)
* Night 1 - Brian McQueso (reglious reference in confirmation stage, his day 1 posts seems scummy to me)
* Night 2 - Centoaph (for defending Glork on day 1)

I'm surprised there was only 1 kill for the past 2 nights.

The only explanations I can think of are (in order of likelihood from my perspective):

A) 1 Mafia left, but disappeared
B) 1 Mafia left, but chose no kill
C) Cultists can still recruit
D) SK left, but not killing

Right now, I think it's option A. Thus...

Vote: Quig

As for Der Hammer, I dislike his Vigilante claim on Day 1. For now, I'm buying his wishy-washy flip-flopping.

Unless I find a better target, I'll probably end up vigging Der Hammer tonight.

* If someone else claims Leon Kennedy, he / she is our remaining scum. Then, I'll be willing to trade myself today for his / her lynch tomorrow.

* If no one else claims Leon Kennedy, it would validate my claim. You can't have a Resident Evil 4 game without Leon Kennedy.

[Lloyd]

p.s. Right now, I have 3 votes on me (1 away from lynch). That's why I claimed above.

[Lloyd]

Since mikeburnfire linked to Wikipedia in post 1, I think it's okay to provide links below in light blue.

*** To Quig: ***

Unvote

because I believe your claim. Luis Sera is a character from Resident Evil 4.

I think we should wait until everyone has claimed before we end this day.

I support a mass claim as well.

I can tell you that I didn't protect Der Hammer when Glork targetted him so we either have a roleblocker or Glork lied for some reason or another.

Interesting. I'm curious whether a role blocker will claim or not.

However, if Quig isn't really a doc (as most players think of one) but instead capable of curing cult recruitment (given the theme and the character he claimed, this is a possibility), then we might have a problem.

Quig, do you have the Plaga Removal Laser?


*** To Scotty7: ***

It wouldnt quite validate you as it could clearly be given as a safe roleclaim like Glorks.

Very similar to Glork's claim, could easily be a safe claim (as mentioned by Der Hammer).

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Compare:

G1) Glork's first claim (post 47) was Jill Valentine, who is in Resident Evil 3.

G2) Glork's second claim (post 84) was Jack Krauser, who is in Resident Evil 4.

With:

L1) I am claiming Leon Kennedy, the main character in Resident Evil 4.
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* Jill Valentine would be a safe claim, because she's not in Resident Evil 4.

* Leon Kennedy is *NOT* a safe claim at all. This is a specific Resident Evil game, with the number "4". I'm Leon Kennedy in this Resident Evil 4 game at mafiascum.

What? You buy it? Two vigs in one mini? No way to I believe this, ONE of you is lying. Even after Der Hammer trying to lie to the town I still find you the scummiest by far.

To elaborate what I meant in post 113:

- By post 69, I didn't believe Der Hammer's vigilante claim.

- By post 80, I believed his townie claim at the time.

- By post 83, I suspected that he has a retaliatory power, looking to be cured. That would explain his wishy-washy claims. I think he's trying to get night actions used on him.

He also offers no reason as to why he has offered no game related content until now.

On Nights 0, 1, and 2...I offered game related content via my night actions. It resulted in deaths of Kelly Chen, Brian McQueso, and Centoaph.

On Days 1 and 2, I voted swiftly.

From the Resident Evil 4 page at Wikipedia:

Resident Evil 4's game mechanics have been completely revamped to incorporate fast paced gunplay and intense shootouts.

My actions match the fast paced theme. So far, I have sent in my night actions as soon as I can.

If you were really the Vig, you would have counter claimed Der Hammer.

- On Day 2...Glork was the lynch candidate. I saw no benefit in counter-claiming Der Hammer on day 2, because someone would probably tried to kill me at night.

- On Day 3 (today)...By the time I checked in, I already had 3 votes on me, and claimed.


*** To Der Hammer: ***

I think its safe to say that the shotgunner is probably on our side and because of the lack of kills their might be a solitary powerless Cult member waiting ti be weeded out.

Click here to see a Wikipedia page about me; I'm holding my gun.

I didnt kill anyone last night and I dont really want to go into details about my role just yet. Its not something I can control very well

Please elaborate.

Why didnt you kill me as soon as I had clearly lied in your eyes?

1) Centoaph's postings on Day 1 and 2 seem scummy to me.
* Association before Glork was caught lying - Centoaph's posts on Day 1 was protective of Glork (posts 60 and 62).
* Disassociation after Glork was caught lying - Centoaph then turned 180 degrees on Day 2 (post 76).

2) Had we decided to lynch all liers, you would be the primary candidate for an LAL lynch. I didn't want to use a kill on an LAL candidate.

3) By post 80, I believed your second claim of a townie (posts 78 and 80).

4) By post 83, I thought you have a self-defense power (post 83), where I would die if I tried to kill you.

4.I still win with the town so Im rooting for you. Need to hear from AniX and Sotty on the revelations recently. (can anyone counterclaim Leon or Luis?)

You

_still_

win with the town? What does that mean?

Can you be cured by Luis Sera's Plaga Removal Laser?

Are you either Ramon Salazar or Bitores Mendez?

I think you claimed vigilante at end of day 1, hoping for someone to either attack or cure you.

I suspect that if I try to kill you, you'll attack me in return.

Do you want Quig to cure you tonight?

I just want a proper reason why you didnt kill me as soon as it became clear I was claiming your role.

See explanation above.

Right now, I'm confused by your re-vote for me. You re-voted me. Yet, you agree that I'm the vigilante.


*** To Everyone: ***

Below is my notes for the list of roles, names, and players:

Vigilante = Leon Kennedy = Lloyd
Cop = Claire Redfield = CaptainDuctTape
Doctor = Luis Sera = Quig
Villager = Dead Rikimaru
Villager = Centoaph
Mafia Leader = Albert Wesker = Kelly Chen
Mafia Henchman = Jack Krauser = Glork
Cult Leader = Osmund Saddler = Brian McQueso
? = Ada Wong = ?
? = Ashley Graham = ?
? = Ramon Salazar = ?
? = Bitores Mendez = ?

[Lloyd]

First up Llyod, I have no C in my name

Sotty7, sorry about earlier misspellings of your name.

Are you trying to claim that as part of your role you had to act quick and so had no time to say anything but vote?

No. I choose my own vigilante playstyle, based on my role description.

If that is the case why are you breaking that and talking now?

Not the case.

OK, if you truly believed LAL should apply to Der Hammer – Why are you not voting him? Why have you never voted him?

Right now, I'm not applying LAL to Der Hammer.

Der Hammer's wishy washy posts have been amusing for me to read.

Likewise, your aggressive posts have been amusing for me to read too.

The vig is supposed to be a pro-town role that thinks before they shot, and not someone that just fires blindly into a crowd as you have done for three nights.

Feel free to disagree with my playstyle in this game. My vigilante playstyle in this game, is my interpration of my role description.

When Leon first arrives at the village, he is immediately attacked by one of the villagers after questioning him about Ashley's whereabouts.

List of Resident Evil 4 creatures says that Villagers are a type of Ganados.

In balancing this mafia game, I guess the mod made our villagers townies.

After receiving intelligence about Ashley's whereabouts (leaked by Ada Wong), the U.S. Government sends agent Leon S. Kennedy to investigate the area.

Vyolynce,

Do you have an investigative ability of finding out whether Sotty7, Anix, or no one, is Ashley Graham?

[Lloyd]

But are you actually gonna answer this question? Why?

I wrote that Der Hammer was a LAL candidate. However, I don't believe in lynch-all-liers all the time. Thus, I have not voted for Der Hammer yet.

[Lloyd]

Hello All,

I will be away for 4 days.

mikeburnfire, can I proxy my vote, as per the proxy rule?

If so, I would like to proxy my vote to Vyolynce in my absence.

Proxy to Vyolynce

If my proxy is not allowed, and I end up halting progress, then go ahead and replace me.

Thanks. -- Lloyd

[Lloyd]

In addition, if proxy'ing of night action is also allowed...Then, I would like to proxy my night action to Vyolynce.

If Vyolence doesn't believe my vigilante claim...Then, he can either vote me today with my vote, or use my own vigilante power to shoot me tonight.

Hopefully, Vyolence won't do that, because Leon Kennedy and Ada Wong help each other in Resident Evil 4.

Right now, I hope Vyolence can save someone tonight (probably me, unless he can self-protect), while using my vigilante power to kill someone suspicious tonight.

I'll check on this game in 4 days.

Cheers,
Lloyd

[Lloyd]

Hello,

Before I leave soon...Checking this to make sure the proxy worked.

To not block progress...As for my night choice, I just sent it in to kill Der Hammer tonight.

See you all in 3 1/2 days. -- Lloyd

[Lloyd]

* Quig, who did you cure last night?

If the game is still not over after you cure everyone, then we eventually lynch you?

* Vyolynce, how about if you protect Sotty7 tonight?

Tonight, you'll protect Sotty7 while I try to shoot her.

If Sotty7 lives tomorrow, then it should confirm your doctor claim. Otherwise, we lynch you tomorrow?

* Sotty7 and Anix, any thoughts about the above?

[Lloyd]

FOS: mikeburnfire

I just re-read my winning condition. I would like to test it by not killing at night. Hopefully, the game ends.

Vote: No lynch

[Lloyd]

To clarify, my winning condition may also require a no lynch during the day.

We just need 2 more no lynch votes. Then, I won't kill tonight and lets see what happens.

[Lloyd]

Sotty7,

If we have a remaining cult member, he / she should speak up and end this game.

Assuming that we don't have any cult members remaining:

Since we cannot quote PMs from the mod (unless we want to die)...To paraphrase, my winning condition is along the lines of "no more violence in our village". Is your winning condition similar?

The mod is still a threat, because he can kill us for quoting his PMs. However...I want to test the no lynch today and no kill tonight scenario first.

I propose the following plan:

* Today, we no lynch

* Tonight, I won't kill for once

* Tomorrow, if the game still doesn't end, then I'll be voting for mikeburnfire, similar to the end game in DP13 Bad Luck Mafia

[Lloyd]

Addendum - The above paraphrasing would be better stated as "no more threat in our village".

Yes, I do mean the town's winning condition as well.

[Lloyd]

In post 0...

Still living in tranquility

(bold have confirmed)

Hopefully, it's another hint that we need to no lynch + no kill.

* mikeburnfire, since we now have a majority vote of no lynch, could we go into the night? That way, I can submit my choice of no kill tonight. Thanks.

* Quig, I'm surprised that you didn't target anyone last night. How come?

* Vyolynce, who was your choice last night?

[Lloyd]

* Assuming that we have no cult members left...

- Tonight, I won't kill anyone.

- Tomorrow (if we are still here), lets lynch the mod.

- Tomorrow night (if we are still here), I'm going to kill myself.

* At that point...If the game still isn't over, then we probably have a cult member who isn't claiming, and holding out for a win.

[Lloyd]

seeing as Quig cannot be recruited.

Holy crap, I forgot all about that.

We haven't discussed the possibility of:

Quig's role is recruitable. Not only that, BrianMcQueso recruited Akonos / Quig on Nights 1 or 2.

[Lloyd]

After AniX and Vyolence, why would you want us to eliminate yourself next (as opposed to going after Quig or I)?

[Lloyd]

mikeburnfire,

Can you give AniX a prod? Thanks.

AniX,

Do you have anything to say for yourself?

You haven't posted here since post 195 on Monday, March 27th, but you have actively posted on other parts of mafiascum.net.

[Lloyd]

I believe Lloyd isn't part of the cult as he would proberley lose his vigilante power

Unless Lloyd has be recruited AND can keep his vig powers...that would suck.

Plus you still have your vig powers, I'd think if you were now cult they would have been stripped from you.

What made the two of you hypotheize that cult members would lose powers?

Could you elaborate?

Thanks in advance.

[Lloyd]

I am not in a cult. I am still a pro-town vigilante.

I was re-reading Luis Sera's entry in Wikipedia. It says that Luis Sera was implanted with a Plaga parasite, until Ada Wong saved him.

I also noticed that you and Quig came to the same hypotheses about cult members possibly losing powers. I was thinking bout the possibility that you and Quig are in a cult.

[Lloyd]

Mainly though other games I've read.

Could you provide names and links to the other games that you've read?

I'd like to read them, to find out how those games end.

[Lloyd]

Or do the rest of you just not think that this could be the case?

I'm not a serial killer.

To re-iterate reasons that you and Sotty7 wrote earlier:

Post 108 by Vyolynce - "if I were to put an SK in this game, the MO would be chainsaw."

Post 163 by Sotty7 - "I'm also starting to think that an SK may be out of the question here seeing as we have two groups of bad guys already."

I don't think we have a serial killer. Otherwise, you (Doctor) or I (Vigilante) would be dead by now, and there would have been more kills.

He could have tried to recruit Akonas/Quig (I support the theory that he is immune), Kelly Chen, or Glork on those nights, or even someone protected by Quig (Lloyd and Sotty on nights one and two, respectively, but not on the reciprocal cases). There's no guarantee that an attempted mafia rectuitment would result in his death; it could just come up as a failure (and he'd know who the scum are).

If BrianMcQueso knew Glork was a scum, I think he would have hinted at an informational role to get Glork lynched, and gain our confidence.

Instead, BrianMcQueso casted the 5th vote on DeadRikimaru.

reduce it to a 1:1 draw

A 1:1 draw would probably result in a loss for us. In other games, cults typically win by controlling 50% or more of the town.

vote: Lloyd

By accusing me now, and voting for me...I am 90% eliminating the possibilty that you and AniX are in the same cult.

Something else I forgot about: did we still want to test my claim? If so, we'll need a volunteer to take the hit...

We don't really need to test your claim I don't think. Just need to find the cult

Vyolynce, I would like to test your doctor claim tonight. Who will you be protecting?

[Lloyd]

My gut feeling based on AniX's posts in non-mafia games...

It seems like AniX would be more likely than anyone else remaining, to keep this game stalled as a cult member, while actively posting elsewhere...

AniX, did you receive mikeburnfire's prod yet?

Scully sighting!

Scully sighting!

...maybe it'll draw AniX's attention to post here

[Lloyd]

Vyolence,

How about this plan?

- We lynch AniX today

- Tonight, you protect Sotty7

- Tonight, I try to shoot Sotty7

- Tomorrow, if Sotty7 dies, then we lynch you (leaving Quig and I)

- If Sotty7 survives, I'll be convinced that you're a doctor

- Tomorrow, if Sotty7 lives, then we lynch me (leaving you, Sotty7, and Quig)

- Tomorrow night...Probably nothing will happen (unless one of you can recruit)

- The day after tomorrow, you lynch Sotty7

- At that time...If either you or Quig are cult members, then you deserve the win for claiming doctor so early, and getting away with it

[Lloyd]

Then, last night, I suddenly go all "the reformed".

My gut feeling says you are pulling a stunt. If you were reformed last night, how come it took you so long (real life days) to tell us?

I don't really remember the games I read and thinking back, it was bad play on my part to mention that.

I don't understand why it was bad play.

I think one was Muppet show mafia

I found cult references in Muppet Show Mafia, WORST ROLE EVAR, and TT; Book 1: Bible Verse Mafia. I don't want to spoil the endings. You should read them to draw your own conclusions.

I'm either a doc or cult.

Vyolence, why would a doctor and a cult member necessarily be mutually exclusive?

By the way...Couldn't you be pulling a Der Hammer-like stunt (a Townie pretending to be have other roles)?

Plan B ("lynch AniX, shoot Vyo"): I come up doc

Can you self protect?

If you cannot self-protect, then Plan B makes no sense.

Your post of different plans reminds me of post 58, where BrianMcQueso laid out different scenarios. I'm not sure yet if laying out plans is a cult-tell or not.

[Lloyd]

Night 1 I covered Lloyd and Night 2 I covered sotty7. Night 3 I covered Der Hammer.

I didn't do it to anyone.

I used my power on Anix last night.

Quig, you should target Vyolence tonight.

Plan B ("lynch AniX, shoot Vyo"): I come up doc

Can you self protect?

If you cannot self-protect, then Plan B makes no sense.

Vyolence, you didn't answer my question whether you can self protect or not.

1) If you can self protect, why are you concerned about a possible serial killer?

2) If you cannot self protect, why did you list plan B as an option?

If Lloyd is town then he still wins when the last cult member is cured.

Not necessarily. To paraphrase, my winning condition requires eliminating all threats from our village.

So what you're asking us to believe is that, in a 12-person mini, there were two mafias -- one of which had only a leader (leading whom, one would well ask) --

and

a cult.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I have no reason to lie to you about scumgroups that aren't related to me. There are likely two more mafiates in this game. I suspect that those two mafiates are you and Lloyd.

You have every reason to lie about every/anything, because it's the only possible chance you have to survive today after claiming cop yesterday and leading the town to a townie lynch/suicide.

It's posssible that you and Glork purposely tried to distance yourselves from each other.

Was referring to Kelly chen and your bizarre claim that a "Mafia Leader" was the

only member

in the mafia you joined at the start of the game.

Vyolence, what if you are a Mafia doctor or roleblocker?

I still want to test your doctor claim tonight. Thus,

Vote: No lynch

Who will you be protecting tonight?

[Lloyd]

Correction - I misspelled "Vyolynce" above. Sorry about that.

[Lloyd]

AniX,

Good thing we started discussing Scully

I am voting no lynch, because I want to test Vyolynce's doctor claim tonight while Quig attempts to cure.

- That way, we can eliminate the possibility of Vyolynce being a Mafia doctor.

- If Vyolynce is a Mafia roleblocker, he might get away with it.

Quig, I suggest that you target Vyolynce tonight.

[Lloyd]

Helluva awesome.

Would "Helluva awesome" be a cult win or a town win?

[Lloyd]

Once Sadler was dead, Luis could heal people from the cult. If the cultists were not healed after four nights, the parasite would sprout and they would gain the ability to kill.

Yikes! I didn't see that one coming...Potential cult members with night kill powers on the lose? Regardless, 4 nights seem rather long...

You are Leon, a bodyguard hired to defend the innocent lives of the town. As they say, the best defense is a good offense.

The above motivated me to kill ASAP on Nights 1, 2, and Night 6.

FYI: On Night 6, I wrote the following to mikeburnfire...

Resident Evil - Night 6 choice

Kill: Sotty7

Just in case she's the lone Mafioso who's been laying low, while the town finds cult members.

* The Mafia seems too

underpowered

to have only 2 people...to go up against a vigilante (me), a cop (CaptainDuctTape), a claimed former doctor (Vyolynce), cult leader (Brian McQueso), a claimed anti-cult doctor (Quig) who might be able to cure.

- Sotty7 hesitated in putting a 4th vote on Glork (post 82 and 85)

- Sotty7 claimed last (post 158)

- Sotty7 thinks the town has gotten rid of the Mafia (post 163)

- Post 211 "work down the list of three: AniX, Vyolynce and myself" - In that scenario: If we have 4 players left, and Vyolence is lynched and we go to night, a Mafioso could win by killing either Quig or I

- Post 245 - Sotty7 voted for no lynch, instead of voting to kill me as a potential serial killer.

A Mafioso would benefit by keeping me alive right now, to redirect attention toward me tomorrow (as opposed to him / herself).

Tomorrow (Day 6)...If the game doesn't end, then I'll probably be lynched.

Then on Day 7, the town would probably lynch either AniX or Vyolynce to see whether they are reformed or not. At that point, with 3 players left at night, a potential Mafioso could win by killing at night.

[Lloyd]

Oops, I didn't kill ASAP like I had thought.

Regardless...I killed more often (Nights 1, 2, 3, 4, 6) than not (Night 5).

This is the first time that I played a vigilante...Would I play the same way next time?

Maybe (to confirm my playstyle), or maybe not (my playstyle becomes too predictable)...We'll see 8)

[Lloyd]

mikeburnfire,

Thanks for modding. It was an interesting game.

I got frustrated at times (while hunting for cult members), to the point of wanting to lynch you.

Yet, the game had me guessing until the very end (e.g. my reasons for shooting Sotty7).

The end game post was surprising, because I didn't realize that cult members could obtain night kill powers after 4 nights of not being cured.

[Lloyd]

* Question - Does Sotty7 still win the game, even though she died on Night 6?

I sure hope so.

I figured that if Sotty7 is a Mafioso, "the best defense is a good offense" (to quote my role description)

If Sotty7 is town (as she turned out to be), I hope she still wins with the town.

[Lloyd]

Kelly Chen and Glork,

I'm curious about your thoughts on this game. I think a 2-person Mafia in a 12 person game can be difficult, considering the number of power roles you were up against.

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Sotty7,

Sotty7 speaks from the dead! She must be a zombie; just kidding

I immediately unvoted Dead Rikimaru when he revealed some of the townies PM

I forgot about that. I just re-read that part of the game to refresh my memory.

I hope you understand why I put myself on the list of people to vig/lynch.

Sorry. I still don't understand why you put yourself on the list of people to vig / lynch.

Could you explain in detail? Thanks.

I'm also confused why you considered your reference of other games as bad play (see post 228)

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Der Hammer,

I'm confused by your multiple claims in this game.

For Night 4...I sent in night kills twice (once before I went away), and once after I returned.

For awhile, I thought you were HUNK. In thinking about it...I figured that I have a range weapon, so your melee defense wouldn't hurt me.

On Day 4, I was surprised that you were just a Townie.

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Vyolynce,

After you were reformed, did you get your doctor night power back?

[Lloyd]

I don't think there is any reason to vig before Day 1. If I mod a game with a vig, it is not going to be allowed.

Boo

I don't understand why a moderator would want to disallow vigging, anymore than other pre-Day 1 actions.

A vigilante may be pro-town, but he enforces law on his / her own terms.

If a vigilante has to do exactly what lynch mob townies want, then he / she isn't really a vigilante by definition.

[Lloyd]

One thing about vigilantes: The first night, the bad guys haven't even killed anyone yet. So a vigilante doesn't have a flavor reason to kill yet.

I disagree.

In this game, my role specifically said: "the best defense is a good offense".

[Lloyd]

Everyone:

I nominated Glork for the title of "Mafia #2"

If you agree, you can second the nomination in the Dance of the Title Fairy thread

[Lloyd]

Every person on mafiascum.net has a title.

The policy is stated at:

http://www.mafiascum.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TitleFairy

Your title say "Goon" (once you reach a certain # of posts, it will change from "Goon" to "Mafia Scum")

My title currently says "Mafia Scum"

Glork's title currently say "Mafia Scum"

I nominated Glork for the title of "Mafia #2" in the Dance of the Title Fairy thread at:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... start=2392

[Lloyd]

Der Hammer,

A second'ed nomination here probably doesn't count.

If you agree with me, then you should second the nomination in the Dance of the Title Fairy thread.

Cheers,
Lloyd