Mini 304: This is NOT Any Kind of Mafia (Mod Abandoned)

[ryanjunk]

I don't have much else to add if people are insistent on lynching me...

[Adele]

Oh, for...

Nothing worse than someone stomping their foot and having a hissy fit the minute there's a wagon on them. You know how it is - sometimes you're gonna be a hero, sometimes you're gonna be a villain, sometimes you're gonna be a victim. So far, all I know is you haven't been acting like the first guy.

I mean, complaining that people are insistent on lynching you would make sense if your votes plus your FOSes made a majority. They don't. And the folk on this wagon - myself included - don't show signs of obsessiveness or nuttiness about this. We wanna hear your side and all you're giving us is that you've nothing more to say. Okay, how about you talk a little bit about third parties - those who aren't on the wagon, say if they've done anything to up your suss or your trust in them. Claim. Back down and apologize. Just don't take your ball and go home, you know?

Gah. On the one hand, here I am trying to motivate you and whatnot, while on the other I want you to understand that this is not gonna stop me voting for you if you don't post some good stuff soon. It's blatant sympathy-mongering and it is

not gonna work

.

[Tamuz]

I'm gonna lurk for a bit and pray pressure falls off of me

I'mma hold my vote.

[EmpTyger]

I *really* hate when I get a strong feeling about a player Day 1, and then someone all acts up in an impossible to ignore manner. I have just stumbled through an amazingly bad week, and am in no state of mind to evaluate ryan vs. Drummer right now, so

Unvote: Drummer

until I better figure things out.

[Bacde]

Has Ryanjunk defended himself?

BAhhhh

[Bacde]

Yes, he has. From looking at his posts only he doesn't seem particularily anti-town to me.

[cropcircles]

Unvote, Vote VitaminR

for pressuring ryan?

[Drummer]

Getting good vibes from players like VitaminR, Adele, Yosarian, Tamuz. Which probably means that at least one of them is scum...but at the moment, they aren't likely to get my vote.

So I decided to take a good look at those people who I'm more suspicious of. I randomly selected Micigante. Know what I found? NOT MUCH. He posted to confirm, then randomly vote. After that, he's put in two whole votes with content.

Vote:Micigante

. Most likely just a temporary vote.

[Drummer]

Two whole *posts* with content, that second paragraph should say.

[Drummer]

Maybe my sig needs a dramatic change. First, I need to

Unvote:cropcircles.

Then,

Vote:Micigante

.

[cropcircles]

You were voting me?

Way to pay attention, CC.

[JechtMurray]

Well, I've stated everything I'm going to state as far as logic against me being weak. What I've done is probably bad playing, so if I get the lynch it's my own fault. I appreciate the pointers, and I'm going to go ahead and

Unvote

and lay low a little to see what some other people think.

I think you're asking to be voted.

Yep. I don't see how anyone could explain it any other way. Barring a cop investigation of me (which is impossible as we didn't have a Night yet, nor would I want a cop to come out to protect me) or some kind of funky day power, there's no way I can "prove" my innocence. So, look closely at those who are pushing the wagon.

There are many, many reasons why we would not lynch you if proper reasoning was given. Why do you think that the town would mindlessly lynch someone? There is hardly ever a way to prove anything 100%, but if you're actually worth keeping around, you need to prove it.

Vote:RyanJunk

,

HOS:Cropcircles

.

[Yosarian2]

Unvote, Vote VitaminR

for pressuring ryan?

Ok...you're voting vitimanR because he's voting for Ryan? Why? And why vitimanR and not any of the rest of us voting for ryan?

[cropcircles]

Because I'm reading ryan as town, and I'm not feeling Vit's reasons for voting.

[EmpTyger]

Adele:
I really don’t like how you ignored people asking you about your reaction in [126]. Not sure what to think about your interaction with ryan.


micigante:

rajrhcpfreak:
You know, I actually understand your point. But as much as I’d agree with metagaming selfvoting, I’d much rather metagame poor sportsmanship. So, reading [94], I’m not really feeling like posting the defense I typed up for you. Maybe later.

I really would like to see that defence...

I kind of understand where rajrhcpfreak coming from with this. Let’s say there’s a behavior that is disliked for a metagame reason. If the behavior is voted whenever it is done, eventually the negative reinforcement will stop it. This is essentially the reasoning behind lynch-all-liars. However- this only works if everyone else consents. Let’s say A is doing the behavior, but B is encouraging it. B thus in this sense is encouraging antitown behavior. In some respects, this is more suspicious than A’s actual behavior, if A behaves thusly independent of alignment.


Drummer:
In a previous game I ignored my initial feelings to go after lynchbait, to my detriment.

Vote: Drummer

. I don’t feel strongly enough about any other right now to be doubting myself again.


ryan:
Which is not to say I like your play, in particular this:

<snip>I'm going to go ahead and Unvote and lay low a little to see what some other people think.

[Drummer]

You were voting me?

Way to pay attention, CC.

Heh, don't feel bad. I didn't remember either.

Drummer:
In a previous game I ignored my initial feelings to go after lynchbait, to my detriment. Vote: Drummer. I don’t feel strongly enough about any other right now to be doubting myself again.

No shock here. You've come across kinda strange in this game. I really haven't seen any logic to your arguments yet, but if that suspicion is based on your gut, I'll always encourage it.

If Micigante still isn't talking tomorrow, I'll just forget about him. Doesn't look like voting him is going to make any difference.

[inHimshallibe]

Vote count coming after other updates.

[Tamuz]

Don't kill me again, at least kill Ryanscum if you kill anyone....

[ryanjunk]

I think at this point it's gone way beyond overreaction, Tamuz. First you decided to go hard after raj because you thought he wasn't properly following his own logic. Now you've just completely stopped, and are full-on against me. It looks a lot like a string of overreaction to flimsy reasoning to me. It wasn't obvious (to me) why you went after raj for not voting cropcircles, but you were after him like a cop with a guilty result. And then it went away, and now you're after me like I kicked your dog, even though all I did was act a bit too cautiously in Day 1.

I think even if you're town, this aggressiveness can only play into the hands of scum. I think it more likely that you're just trying to look useful to the town. I initially thought that, of the members of my bandwagon, Yosarian seemed more likely scum for going under the radar. But I think it looks more like you're just too aggressive to really be pro-town, Tamuz.

In addition, I don't like how you set off on me and subsequently sat on the backburner and let other people keep up pressure on me. Since you voted, you've had a total of 6 one-liner posts, most of which are quotes with a "me too", or "confirm vote", or "hey mod, you should probably kill ryan because I don't like him."

So, people are accusing me of, at best, not being very useful to the town. What useful information have your 6 non-posts given us other than "I think ryan might be scum", which can be gleaned by the fact that you're voting for me?

Vote: Tamuz

[Yosarian2]

So, people are accusing me of, at best, not being very useful to the town.

That's not why I'm voting for you.

[inHimshallibe]

Maybe my sig needs a dramatic change. First, I need to

Unvote:cropcircles.

Then,

Vote:Micigante

.

Read the rules... I do not require unvotes.

[inHimshallibe]

Vote Count - Day 1

Bacde - 1 (JechtMurray)
Adele - 1 (Bacde)
rajrhcpfreak - 1 (micigante)
micigante - 1 (Drummer)
Tamuz - 1 (rajrhcpfreak, ryanjunk)
ryanjunk - 3 (Tamuz, Yosarian2, VitaminR)
VitaminR - 1 (cropcircles)
Drummer - 1 (EmpTyger)

Not voting, soon to be fooled - 1 (Adele)

12 alive, 7 to lynch

micigante has requested replacement, due to some time constraints. I will be installing a deadline a day after I have found a replacement.

[Tamuz]

You're right Ryan, my aggressiveness can be used by scum trying to kill me, like you!

I've stated my case, since then I've quoted some stuff you said and that supported my oppinion of you as scum, I've also quoted Yossarian making a similar case.

I could do a PbP on you, and have all analysis in one point, but I'd rather not since I'd be repeating myself. Oh, and your considerations of me going all out for your lynches, pshhhhhhhhhhh that isn't all out. But I've looked at the options for today and I've decided you aren't too bad of a lynch, hence my vote is still on ya. So Ryanscum rather than calling something scummy and then doing it, do us a favour and vote yourself.

[Drummer]

Read the rules... I do not require unvotes.

There are rules?

[/b]Unvote:micigante[/b] 'cause he's gonna be replaced.

Vote:Ryanjunk

. Maybe he'll claim or do

something

if there are enough votes on him.

[ryanjunk]

Eh. I'm the Taco Liberty Bell. I'm pro-Town. I have no powers.