Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER
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vezok, did you receive a ring?Well, that's a really good point you madeI'm townthere, and I'm going to give it a good mulling oversheep me. In the meantime,lynch Andriuslet's talk about something elsehot sex. How aboutdon't night-kill methat latest sporting eventhot sex. Man! They suredefend meplayed really well!-
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On a fake investigation result, that he carelessly based off of Toog posting "lolwut? /anywhoconfirmandwhatnot", that could have been just as dead wrong as his dead wrong read on Toast. And that caused several townies to wrongly suspect Toast. A lucky fool is no less a fool.I don't know how you can call someone retarded when he singlehandedly got Toog-scum lynched.
CJ wrote:Hold on what is going on with this statement. First, what does martyr syndrom mean to you in context of this game? Second, the fact that you acknowledge someone could be a ballsy townie but you are willing to lynch them anyones is not a town mindset. Thirldy, from the progression of actions nikanor jokingly (?) claimed a SK result on toasty, toasty over-reacted and then claimed JK, and then nikanor argued that he was probably a scum jailkeeper. He didn't fake a result on someone he thought was a mafia jailkeeper, he faked a result on someone who after several actions transpired he now thinkis is a mafia jailkeeper.
Not sure what you're also talking about with keeping mafia alive longer and lulling the town into anything. This post is disingenious.
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Martyr syndrome refers to town reluctance to take action after once failing to take such action. This is rooted in behavioral theory, often referred to as the Endowment Effect. The term was a pretty common term where I learned mafia, with the name deriving from the most common occurrence when a scum player sets up a false propositioni.e. lynch me then you'll know I'm telling the truth, the town fails to act on it, then later assumes it is true despite the fact that it was never proven.
I feel like this is mostly a waste of time since we're already in a martyr syndrome, but since several peopel seem to think Nik's gambit is smart play:
Spoiler: why Nik as town requires Nik to be a retard
Do you not read posts in context?CJ wrote:
How does this even make sense? If someone is acting anti-town and scummy, you'll only place a vote down on them if you can get them to configure to a view where they are cult?Kast in 1051 wrote:Oh, and while I'm at it, I'm going to vote: Andy, with understanding that I'm quite willing to lynch cult if someone actually makes a good case.
I clearly stated my preference to lynch cult over mafia, but as I didn't see any merit to the arguments against WLC and Apok as cult, I instead voted the most obvious mafia member, Andy.Kast in 1050 wrote:Anyway, I agree that it would bebest to lynch cult. I'm not sure I buy into the theories on who the cultists are. I think WLC is more likely cult than Apok, but going through my notes I can't find anything specific to indicate why I have that thought. I may have internalized some of NPIAU's arguments.
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Toast, for Nik to be scum, Friend, muffin, and hiplop would have to be scum as well, and that doesn't seem too plausible.Toast wrote:@CJ: How is this not obvious? Yes, I thought he was town. Then he claimed a result on me that was 100% impossible to have. So yeah, now I don't even remotely trust him and think he's scum. Common, logical sense.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity - Hanlon's razor
Incidentally, going through Andy's posts, he seems awfully close to CJ.
BTW CJ:
Ifyou read that statementCJ wrote:
Flailing is not the word I use to describe people I consider confirmed town.Apok wrote:Why in the nine hells are you voting Nikanor just because of a stupid gambit? He's pretty much confirmed town.in context, you'll notice the full statment Apok made was,
That wasn't addressed to you, it was addressed to me. Please try to read in context. You get distorted and completely wacky interpretations when you do that.Apok wrote:-Kast's twin:Why in the nine hells are you voting Nikanor just because of a stupid gambit? He's pretty much confirmed town.ShowT: 9/6.5/0
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Friend wrote:Anyways, WLC has been just so under-the-radar that his play works from a CL mindset. If you read his ISO it's basically just wagoning and trying to look town by questioning the WL stuff.
I'm always an under-the-radar player. I guess the the lack of me posting that makes you think I'm cult then, rather than anything I actually did post. I really don't get how you can be so vehement about me not being town-aligned. Also, why pick me out, and not Peregrine who has even less posts than I do? Peregrine is saying I need to post more, and answer him, but I already did so in post #906.
I guess either scum or cult is trying to push me because they guess I'm an easy lynch.
Lastly, didn't get any ring. Mr. Subliminal, why would you think I'd get one? My character isn't one of the white lanterns. Do you want to know who received just to confirm who is non-cult, or is there more to it. What was your brilliant plan, how did you fuck it up, and how can you salvage it? Unless we can be sure the plan works, can you give us any indication we can trust you? Sorry I sound really paranoid, but when we started claiming our choices, Mr. Subliminal was one of the few who did not want to provide info, but now he's demanding information for some plan that might or might not work."I wish you hadn't done that."-
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Entity claim retracted.
hiplop, splain.Well, that's a really good point you madeI'm townthere, and I'm going to give it a good mulling oversheep me. In the meantime,lynch Andriuslet's talk about something elsehot sex. How aboutdon't night-kill methat latest sporting eventhot sex. Man! They suredefend meplayed really well!-
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Even though I said that I sent them out at the beginning of this Day phase...
Anywho, WLC or Apok?Well, that's a really good point you madeI'm townthere, and I'm going to give it a good mulling oversheep me. In the meantime,lynch Andriuslet's talk about something elsehot sex. How aboutdon't night-kill methat latest sporting eventhot sex. Man! They suredefend meplayed really well!-
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Kast wrote:Toast, for Nik to be scum, Friend, muffin, and hiplop would have to be scum as well, and that doesn't seem too plausible.
Yeah, I get it. I was very pissed, as I have said repeatedly.
However, 1) They are still very unclear as to what they are. Muffin saying its safe to assume that they're all town but not explicitly saying such is odd. I can think of a few other possibilities that would cause them to think this way, however.
2) I was in a game with Nikanor in which the scum-team fake-claimed masons and won. So yeah, the connection worries me a lot."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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hiplop wrote:Mr Subliminal wrote:Even though I said that I sent them out at the beginning of this Day phase...
Anywho, WLC or Apok?
I think I just got confused
eh Id prefer vezok more than anyone still
Was this message special and game related? Like, was it just something role-related or something that causes you to believe another player had targeted you?"A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Kast wrote:Does this mean you don't have a fix to your potential game-breaking plan?
Yes, we're too dumb, so we're going with retraction rather than admit that we're wrong.
Ok.
Let's get some things clear here, since there's a lot of gambitting being done and some people are losing track of what should be the basics.
Our Entity claim was a gambit. Ignore it.
The following things are all true:
Nikanor is 100% mod-confirmed town. This isn't even in question. Asking about it will just get you laughed at.
hiplop doesn't need to explain anything as we asked in #1079, as I understand it and will explain it to my other head.
@Nikanor:I (although not necessarily my other head) don't agree with your "Toasty is flailing" argument. Toasty's like 98% town, not for any confirmed shenanigans, but just from sheer play.
Vezokpiraka is probably town.
We have no opinion, good or bad, on Apokalyptica or WLC and are willing to see how the wagons on those form.Well, that's a really good point you madeI'm townthere, and I'm going to give it a good mulling oversheep me. In the meantime,lynch Andriuslet's talk about something elsehot sex. How aboutdon't night-kill methat latest sporting eventhot sex. Man! They suredefend meplayed really well!-
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ToastyToast wrote:@Subliminal: What do you think hiplop's response means?
hiplop is town. We understand the source of his confusion. He doesn't need to explain anything.Well, that's a really good point you madeI'm townthere, and I'm going to give it a good mulling oversheep me. In the meantime,lynch Andriuslet's talk about something elsehot sex. How aboutdon't night-kill methat latest sporting eventhot sex. Man! They suredefend meplayed really well!-
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WeyounsLastClone wrote:
What was your brilliant plan, how did you fuck it up, and how can you salvage it? Unless we can be sure the plan works, can you give us any indication we can trust you? Sorry I sound really paranoid, but when we started claiming our choices, Mr. Subliminal was one of the few who did not want to provide info, but now he's demanding information for some plan that might or might not work.
Not answering questions about the gambit. If you think we're scum for it, vote us.
You trust us based on whether you think we're town or not, through this neat little thing called "Scumhunting." Maybe look at our play, think for yourself.
One of the reasons we picked you was because you simply don't have a lot of content, and what content you have isn't very good. From our point of view, you've only voted town (ooba + ourselves), and your vote on us is pretty weak: you fencesit, saying "it does make sense," but vote us as you ask us questions rather than ask us questions and then vote us depending on the answer.Well, that's a really good point you madeI'm townthere, and I'm going to give it a good mulling oversheep me. In the meantime,lynch Andriuslet's talk about something elsehot sex. How aboutdon't night-kill methat latest sporting eventhot sex. Man! They suredefend meplayed really well!-
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@GW, Maybe then I'm just stupid, or not reading closely enough, but at first I thought Mr. S claim was real.
Mr Subliminal wrote:If you think we're scum for it, vote us.
Exactly what I'm doing right now.
Unless you have provable results, fact is you were lying. Without, up til now at least, a good town reason. I'm not a big fan of the so-called 'gambits', that's why I also don't really like Nikanor's behavior in this game.
@GW, I was not discrediting White Lanterns per se. I had my doubts by Mr. S claiming, and corresponding statement/assumption that people responding to his 'sending out rings' would be inherently town (or at least non-cult). Also, what exactly in Ooba's train of thought makes you feel I'm CR?"I wish you hadn't done that."-
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tanstalas wrote:ToastyToast wrote:
@Tans: How so? Besides, its not like dana would say "HEY GUSY YOU A JAILKEEPER BUT IT ONLY WORKS SOMETIMES"
Waiting for clarification from mod on something.
OK, ignore this. Got my clarification from the mod.
Why isn't WLC dead yet?FlayTheScum 1:33 am
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Nik: I'm sorry. I did go overboard. I got frustrated with what is very clearly senseless play, and while it doesn't validate my language, I assumed from the prolific labeling ofidiot/stupid/dumbassduring Day 1 that this was not out of place on these forums. In retrospect, that it was only Andy and Mr. S using such appellants, and I will refrain from doing so any further. While I bristle at your comment, I recognize and acknowledge that it is fitting and appropriate given my name calling and I hope you will pardon my offense.
BTW. It has no bearing on my analysis of your play and decisions. I still find your gambit unwise and more harmful/confusing than anything, and full of contradictions and careless or thoughtless behavior.ShowT: 9/6.5/0
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Toast wrote:Also, why are you only saying what happened from Nikanor's perspective? That was NOT a joking tone, and that was NOT an overreaction
I think it is highly likely Nikanor is town. It seemed joking to me from the outside. What specifically, am I saying that is coming from 'Nikanors perspective' that is bothering you?
vezok wrote:Delayed means that his actions will resolve the next night instead of this one.
um, why did you do this? Did you have a scum read on him going into night, because that is the only way delaying someone's action make sense from a town point of view.
Kast wrote:I clearly stated my preference to lynch cult over mafia, but as I didn't see any merit to the arguments against WLC and Apok as cult, I instead voted the most obvious mafia member, Andy.
For one I happen to think Andrius is town, not 'the most obvious mafia member' at all. And my point stands, if someone else is acting anti-town and most people agree on this, (and you too possibly), but think he is mafia, you are saying you wouldn't place a vote down on them because they 'aren't cult'?
Kast wrote:That wasn't addressed to you, it was addressed to me. Please try to read in context. You get distorted and completely wacky interpretations when you do that.
Oh thanks I didn't realize at all. The point here was that Apok used a verb most common to scum 'flailing' to describe someone he thinks is 'confirmed town'. There is a dissonance here. I could care less that he addressed it to you.
Toasty wrote:2) I was in a game with Nikanor in which the scum-team fake-claimed masons and won. So yeah, the connection worries me a lot.
Is this the game where another set of masons had already flipped and the scum masons that had claimed day one were both still alive? There is a clear difference between these casesYou said my name?
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