Double-Dip Mafia, Game Over

[Hiraki]

FIRST.

Vote: Elliberith

SCUM.

[Hiraki]

OH RIGHT.

DOUBLE DIP.

Vote: Empking

[Hiraki]

Unvote: Empking
Vote: Iamausername

[Hiraki]

This is your first post?

DAMN IT.

[Hiraki]

Oh. I wasn't sure if that was a question.

No.

[Hiraki]

Unvote: Empking

Vote: imaginality

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: Derp.

All three are scum.

Triple dip where are you.

Unvote: Elliberith
Vote: Imaginality

[Hiraki]

Good theory.

[Hiraki]

Ranmaru scum?

Eh.

Looks better than the other 3.

[Hiraki]

The whole Ranmaru thing was a pun toward the post #38 thing.

[Hiraki]

iamausername, [Low Key], Crazy, Ellibereth, Empking, Amrun

2 out of 3?

Deliciously amazing.

This is a scum driven wagon. I see that smallpeoples is scummy, but he's probs a newbie, due to having 6 posts.

Not to mention, the opportunity here is amazing due to the reasoning that no one knows if smallpeoples had time to do anything anyway.

So get the fuck off him.

[Hiraki]

Time to do anything? What the fuck are you talking about?

Like read the thread?

Also, if it is a scum-driven wagon, point out who on it is scummy and why. Kthx

Have you gone mental?

[Hiraki]

I don't care about that because of his newness. I care about somethiing else.

Clue me in.

You also don't get to make blanket "lol scum wagonz gaiz" statements without backing them up. Hardcore, right? Right.

Um.

Yes I do. And I did back them up. 2 out of 3 of my initial scumreads are on that wagon.

LOL

NO.

And I even lied. It's 3 out of 3.

There's scum on that wagon, and I can't see this highly co-ordinated bussing on Page 4 of D1.

He at least read iam's first post.
My psychic duck intuition says they're bussing scum. Someone remind me later.

I had no clue that there was a psychic duck scum role P.M.

Unvote: [Low Key]. Vote: kunkstar.

For posting without voting.

Why are you all acting so scummy.

[Hiraki]

BUT THAT WOULD GIVE ME 4 SCUMREADS.

FFS.

PAGE 5.

4 SCUMREADS.

UGH.

[Hiraki]

That really doesn't make a difference.

[Hiraki]

I remember who they were, I just missed one.

Also, I unvoted once, making a mistake on Empking.

Your claim is bullshit.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: Strike that twice, I did make a little more of a fumble.

[Hiraki]

I remember who they were, I just missed one.

Who are they, then?

You, Imaginality, and Elli.

Empking was an RVS vote. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP:

I fail at counting.

Fuck me.

[Hiraki]

Please elaborate on how your suggestion that 3 out of 3 of your scumreads are on the smallwagon could possibly arise from a counting error and not you forgetting which of Empking and imaginality was supposed to be a serious vote.

There are scummy people in this game that are on a mehscummy, to newbie town wagon.

I wonder what kind of wagon this is?

Hmm.

[Hiraki]

I didn't dodge the question...

[Hiraki]

Smallpeoples.

I hate you.

Empking.

Why?

Why must you all make me cry?

I'm going to die if you don't stop, you know.

[Hiraki]

Small wagon is totally go.

Hiraki, you did dodge the question and I do want an answer.

Considering it is a clusterfuck of a question, perhaps I'm not getting what you want to know.

Can you rephrase it?

[Hiraki]

But there is something you want to know, no?

[Hiraki]

No, I didn't miscount how many "imaginalities" were on the wagon. I miscounted how many of my 3 scum were on the wagon, the second time. It was 2 out of 3 like I originally perceived.

I was talking about my original 3. Empking was never part of the group, he was an RVS vote, like stated earlier. I forgot that my vote was not on him, and unvoted with him in mind. I felt funny, so I checked and found myself to be wrong.

That's it.

Not to mention, why the fuck would anyone vote someone who was defending themselves as scum? That's extremely riské for scum, or extremely bold newbie town.

You pick which one.

And yes, I'm aware it's his RVS votes. But even those show something.

[Hiraki]

BECAUSE I DOUBTED MYSELF.

FFS. AM I SCUM FOR MISCOUNTING THE SECOND TIME? THIS ARGUMENT IS PITIFUL AND POINTLESS.

[Hiraki]

Unvote

Vote: Low Key
Vote: Ran

Did you..?

Damn.

Damn Empking.

You voted on both sides of the argument.

Damn.

#198 confirms newbtown. Get the fuck off Smalls, plz and thank you.

1) Says he didn't know Eli question was a question?
2) Says Iam's question was confusing?
3) Has a scum list I have no idea where he got it (Iam, Imagine, Eli) all 3 are leaning town in my book.

I'm bored, so I'll answer these in detail.

First off, your first question is extremely inconsequential. This is RVS, it's got nothing to do with the real game.

To continue, the question, as written asks, "Who's played with Furry before."

Considering I knew no one by the name of Furry, and I'm never interested in the NK of N1, I had no clue what Elliberith was talking about.

After snooping around, I finally caught on to what she was doing. That's why there was a delayed response between my first post regarding Elliberith's post, and the second post.

Second question. Hmm. Let's see how this question really is a clusterfuck of a question. No seriously, I don't care how random you think this is, this is all true.

Please elaborate on how your suggestion that 3 out of 3 of your scumreads are on the smallwagon could possibly arise from a counting error and not you forgetting which of Empking and imaginality was supposed to be a serious vote.

Let's see what's wrong about this. Actually, let's just split this up.

Please elaborate on how your suggestion that 3 out of 3 of your scumreads are on the smallwagon could possibly arise from a counting error.

Wait what? How the fuck does that make any sense? Plus, I never suggested anything of the sort. I suggested that this was a scum driven wagon because 3 out of 3 of my scumreads were on the wagon, but that has

nothing

to do with the counting error.

"Like I stated before, the counting error had little to nothing to do since I already knew there were scumreads on the wagon, which is obviously scum driven."

Continuing on,

And not you forgetting which of Empking and imaginality was supposed to be a serious vote.

First off, this is shitty grammar. I can't, and still can't, make out what Iamusername wants me to say here, or anything I can possibly say here. The only thing that I can see, is that Iamusername is implying more about my counting error which is a horribly small snippet of the case that's iamusername is making a mountain out of a molehill.

3)

I feel like he's deliberately trying to add to the confusion that the double-dip mechanic will naturally add to proceedings.

At this point it's OMGUS.

Not to mention, Iamusername is pushing that because I miscounted, that I must be scum. Y'know, that's not a real scumtell.

psst. that means she's making them up.

pssst. that's what scum do

Elliberith is a small scumread, but a scumread nontheless.

He at least read iam's first post.
My psychic duck intuition says they're bussing scum. Someone remind me later.

This is a minor point, but her Furry question was extremely useless.

First sentence seems disingenuous, second seems counter-productive.

Oh you fancy huh?

He's right you know.

We're 10 pages in. There's nothing that has been produced from the Furry question.

and then jump on him if he failed to do anything useful with them at that point.

And here we are. I believe Elliberith has enough information, no?

Where's the jumping. oh right you can't do that.

[Hiraki]

I don't care if you defend yourself, I'm just 100% sure that you'll flip town.

Why are you so offensive to me?

Empking: Aware.

but seriously?

[Hiraki]

I scumslipped now?

LOL.

[Hiraki]

I did?

My bad.

[Hiraki]

Ranmaru.

Smalls isn't fucking scum.

Get that out of your head.

However.

Why am I so offensive? You were one of the people who put me at L-1.

ISO TIEM. CONTROL + F. VOTE:

NO SMALLS. YOU BE LYING SON, AND I DON'T LIKE IT.

[Hiraki]

Amrun.

Why can you never get a decent scumtell on me?

[Hiraki]

BECAUSE. I think I have only read you icorrectly once, actually. We haven't played that much.

Not actually that confident on you here but I'd like a nice Hiraki wagon.

That's a lie.

Like I've said before, I don't have a town or scum meta. Stop trying to affiliate one with me.

[Hiraki]

As to reasons for my current votes, I haven't really been fond of the tone of Hiraki's posts.. he seems pretty excitable early game.

This is your reasoning for a vote?

Why me amci. Why are you so scummy?

[Hiraki]

As to reasons for my current votes, I haven't really been fond of the tone of Hiraki's posts.. he seems pretty excitable early game.

This is your reasoning for a vote?

Why me amci. Why are you so scummy?

At this point, it just seems like you're calling everyone who votes for you scummy.

And?

Not to mention that you totally dodged that misrep you pulled on me without daring to comment on it, but I've called 2 people on my wagon now scum, only one before that.

I can't say much about Amrun but he's using shit logic with his vote.

You've voted me for no big reason, which is honestly pissing me off because I have a pretty strong town read on you but you won't give a decent scumtell on why I'm scum, and I'm pissed off for the above misrep.

Pomegrante has a vote on me from RVS.

And [Low Key] has decided to ignore my defense on his vote, which also has horrible reasoning like Amrun. Therefore, smalls, I'm giving you one last chance. I'm starting to really think that I might be wrong on some of my newbie tells with your actions.

I want you after this post to check your facts, because you keep making things up, and even though that's more of what a newbie would do, a newbie would also apologize for their mistakes or acknowledge his or her mistakes. You have not done this, nor have you even backed down on me when I have proven you clearly wrong.

[Hiraki]

I'm sick of fucking Pot, kettle. It's a broken tell unless someone flips scum.

And yes, I am particularly pissed off at this game.

[Hiraki]

Considering that I've already addressed that point where I've only called 2 people on my wagon, scum, thanks for reading.

[Hiraki]

If the latter is directed at me, I'm confused as to the amci part. As to the former, yes... you've been very angry early on at any votes and in general in tone-- or on the defensive it seems. While some might read that as pro-town, I don't necessarily.

That's not a definite scumtell. Who else is scum?

The second quote is that Empking wasn't taking a firm stance and trying to pressure both. I know see what he means, but ergle. I don't see the real potential in finding scum using that method. It's more of a disagreement rather than something that's not good.

[Hiraki]

Voting on gut with 12 pages of content means there's seriously something wrong.

[Hiraki]

Pomegranate, why do you think Hiraki is scummy? Do you agree with everything that's been thrown at him? If not, which reasons in particular are you voting him for?

Yes, answer that.

I don't know why you couldn't answer that before...

Slay just used bad reasoning and justified it with GUT.

Which means there's something wrong. I'm glad you inadvertently agree.

[Hiraki]

Because smalls is so much easier to write out.

[Hiraki]

I was thinking smalls from Sandlot, but w/e.

[Hiraki]

I disagree.

Ameliaslay probably is semi-newb, which is a good thing to bring up.

Nice catch though. Explains his shitty reads.

[Hiraki]

This is such a terrible argument on its own merits BUT I have seen Hiraki scum hunt in RVS before and use it as a scum hunting tool so, LIE. Why does Hiraki need to lie about the value of the RVS in his own defense?

That is true, that was a bad statement by yours truly. I think I was saying it more towards the use that Elliberith gave it.

There is so much wrong with this post. First of all I want everyone to link below and stare at the green part from our Mod and look closely at the post below it and then repeat like a shampoo bottle until you get this weird like "aha!" feeling:

But now you're building this case on the reasoning that it must be impossible that I check my posts, or it must be impossible that I skimmed the mod post.

That's not scummy, that's just me being lazy.

I think Eli called out the NK and Hiraki thought, "Wow NK speculation looks like an easy 'scum' target" as evidenced by this post:

That's why I'm still on her.

Do you have any other reason to call Eliberith town, except when I supposedly flip scum?

But then he suddenly realizes that he's actually the one being scum hunted and has to double back and say that he had no idea who Furry even was which he tries to explain here:

I'm being scumhunted by not even answering a question?

Really? Do you think that I was going to be pressured to death by skipping one question once?

I think I'm going to see a huge problem with this case. The major problem? Low Key is finding faults in my play, nothing scummy though.

For me, I was sitting around for 4 frustrating days and I definitely saw it as N0. But he calls it N1. Because for him it WAS N1 with his scum buddies in the QT.

LOL.

LOLOLOLOLOL.

I guess that means everyone that called it N1, rather than N0 is scum then?

LOLOLOLOLOL.

This is quite absurd. Just because I didn't call it N0, because to be quite sincere it doesn't look attractive, rather than calling it N1, I'm scum? Again, these are small faults you're finding in my play. Nothing scummy.

Tell me this. If I was scum, why wouldn't I straight up answer the question? Why would I say that I had no clue what he was? See? These aren't scummy things. Scum could do the same thing, and even for the same reason as town.

Iam has spoken the King's English here. I can't see why you thought it was confusing. You seem to understand it here but before you said it was confusing. So which is it?

It was confusing before, but I believed that I answered it to the best of my ability. After people said that I was not getting the point, I told them why. When you put "you not ___ing" in a sentence, it drives me nuts. There are so many other ways Iam could've phrased the question to be something I could answer with ease.

No, I think something HAS been produced. I think he caught scum on page 1 and its you.

Hey Eliberith. Did you find Hirakiscum yet?

Btw. guys, I stopped using [Low Key] after the first 2 quotes. lol im scum for spelling his naem rong.

Smalls you actually made a good point about Hiraki OMGUS-ing his wagon. You helped in the scum hunting process there. Good work.

I didn't OMGUS him, I didn't even vote him.

So nice job there.

Oh good, glad you noticed this. I was about to delete this and make it a wall of rage.

Because I am partially raging inside at this insanity.

Also, [Low Key], your friendliness is hurting me inside. I'm be appreciative if you stopped.

Right about.

now.

[Hiraki]

Could you please clarify what you mean by this? Because you used this as a defense against my initial reasons to vote you.

I mean that while RVS is useful, Eliberith was not using it in the best pro-town way.

Could you please explain what you meant by your post that immediately followed Eli's on Page 1? Because it looks to me like it was you recognizing that he just mentioned the NK.

I didn't like Eliberith's first post. It was a question. Questions as the first post are almost always bad.

Apart from his vote of Iam which he has not explained, I agree with every one of his posts and see them coming from a town mindset. You don't however. I find that very troubling.

You do realize that the basis for my vote on Eliberith, and why she has a scumread from is exclusively this point we're talking about.

y u guys no readddddddd

What? You're saying you did it intentionally??

No, I'm just furthering the point that no one says N0 anyway.

My theory is that it took you a second to realize you were being scum hunted. In the scum QT the convo went down about the NK. There are concrete reasons that were mentioned. I believe you were party to those and instinctually wanted to distance yourself from them. This is why you come up with the bizarre explanation for your delay in posts.

Do you do conspiracy theories?

Your ISO is filled with talking about the people on your wagon. You've done almost completely nothing else.

LOL.

LOL.

LOL.

YOU MOST CERTAINLY DON'T READ.

Does anbody here understand what a person could mean when they say N0 doesn't look attractive??

According to Dictionary.com, attractive means providing pleasure or delight, especially in appearance or manner.

N0 looks ugly.

[Hiraki]

Your quote was: "This is the RVS, it has nothing to do with the real game". How come your above answer doesn't jive as a defense of that statement?

Because, like I said before, I'm not infallible and I make mistakes.

Ok, so you reacted like you did because he asked a question?? So your reaction of "That's your first post, DAMNIT" is because he asked a question and that's it??

Is anyone familiar with the logic "questions in the first post are always bad" in the RVS?

I said most of the time, thank you very much, and yes. That was my reaction.

Yes I most certainly do. Guess who I believe? It ain't the guy that says he didn't know who was night killed I can tell you that.

I believe you're missing the point.

Here let me help.

I agree with every one of his posts and see them coming from a town mindset. You don't however. I find that very troubling.

oh.

Nobody says N0? I say it all the time. N0 peek. Everybody says it. You didn't and I don't buy "nobody says N0". Crazy said it in his catchup post. So you are wrong there huh?

Okay, I'm wrong. I guess I don't say N0 a lot.

I guess you've found scum from that.

Don't make me post my ISO of you because it will look ridiculous on how over and over you are doing no scum hunting and talking about everyone on your wagon.

Do it.

I'm raring for a rage.

[Hiraki]

Take a look at her join date, think again.

If you were able to see her join rate, then you must've seen her profile which displays her post count of only 20 posts in the new forum, with this being her first game. Wait, do I sound like someone else who said something like this?

nah.

[Hiraki]

@IAAU - I believe your case against Hiraki was based entirely off of your mistake when you thought he said "3/3" when he really said "2/3." Did you realize this? If so, then why are you still voting him?

Because IAAU is acting like shit.

No seriously, this is mainly why I've been pissed off, if you've been reading or are in my other ongoing games, in my other ongoing games lately.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki's defense of "I'm stupid, I make mistakes" is out of character for him. Not sure what to make of it.

Damnit it Amrun.

You are using meta, and it's annoying me.

I'm sorry I couldn't understand it. It seemed to me that Hiraki stated that he had 3 scum suspects and that those suspects then appeared on the smalls wagon (whoop dee doo, Smalls was megascummy).

Right. Newbs are usually uber scummy like this.

I don't think Hiraki was saying that they were his suspects BECAUSE they were on the wagon but that they were pre-existing suspects. Amrun does point out though that Hiraki's certainty about small was unnatural due to small's obv-scum status; I do tend to agree.

Explain.

[Hiraki]

A) I wasn't using it to implicate anything.

B) It is a valuable tool and I don't care if you don't like it. It should never be used on its own, or at least that should be avoided, but this game is about psychology and behavioral trends increase the accuracy of assessments.

Sure, but realize that you've already said that you've only played 2 games with me that have finished, or that I have flipped.

That's really not enough to tell my meta. I don't think you're scum, but this play is really annoying.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki's defense of "I'm stupid, I make mistakes" is out of character

for him

. Not sure what to make of it.

Considering the other half of your argument is shit, and you've seen my other games, then you must know how much of a newbie master I am.

Hmmzorz.

[Hiraki]

^^^ uses period.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki: Post 362: You haven't really addressed the logic of why posts ending in a ? are generally bad.. do tell.

Because most of the time they don't give any information out. And if they do, it's by blind luck.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, just answer one simple question: What exactly made you go 3/3?

I don't really know. I think I looked at it again and saw the third peep on there, but they actually weren't.

[Hiraki]

Why did you vote me, after seeing so much wrong with LK?

[Hiraki]

What question?

[Hiraki]

Oh. I wasn't sure if that was a question.

No.

[Hiraki]

iamusername on the top two leading wagons.

Incident?

I think not.

[Hiraki]

Why did you vote me, after seeing so much wrong with LK?

Despite how skeptical I am about LK's motivations, I have to admit he has been putting himself out there quite a bit in a way that you haven't. Ranmaru was really the one who put it into perspective though.

Additionally, why me = fry me.

First off, this isn't why me, because I used a comparison. If you voted me randomly but then I said that then yes. That would be balanced.

Second off, that originated, AFAIK, from Epicmafia which invalidates any real prowess at actually had. I don't agree with it at all, because "Why me" can come from town or scum seeking answers.

Third off, just because someone puts his or herself out in the open, doesn't mean they're right. Additionally, you haven't even commented on my play.

tl;dr: RedCoyote is a scummy sheep.

[Hiraki]

Pom: Null(leaning scum due to lack of content, but continual promise)
Iam: Scum
Smalls: Newb town
[LK]: Null(I can't get a good read off him, which is sort of scummy, but w/e)
Amrun: Town, but flawed
Amelia: Newbish Town
RedCoyote: Scummy sheep

[Hiraki]

Not sure how you got Weyscum.

[Hiraki]

Let someone else give their intent to hammer. Then I'll claim.

[Hiraki]

Pomegranate translated: "I can't find anything definite about Hiraki, but his posting is weird. That sounds good right? Right!"

[Hiraki]

I'm a VT.

LK.

Don't take this to offense, because this is the honest truth. Your logic is shit. The reason that your scumreads are all connected to have the same goals as me. Basically, once I flip town, you will have a mind fuck. I really don't want to argue with you because I'll probably rage. However, your logic is wrong and if you actually looked at the reasoning for half of my wagon, you just might think something's up.

However, I'm not expecting you to do that.

[Hiraki]

Maybe I don't want to claim, hoping that one of you idiots will realize this lynch is the epitome of townfail(LOL HE SAID TOWNfail. HE KNOW THAT THIS IS TOWN ON WAGON)

Also note how LK obv. hasn't seen Pom.

[Hiraki]

You are slightly new LK. And I'm telling you.

Here's tomorrow's forecast. At least, what scum used to have stored on you. They're going after you tomorrow.

[Hiraki]

LK: Um. I haven't?

Consider Elliberith raised to a null btw. I think it'd be easier for Elli to hammer at this point, rather fense post-sittish reads.

RC can fill in that scum spot.

[Hiraki]

Flip back to my original reads then.

[Hiraki]

lol

[Hiraki]

Btw. nice setup Elliberith. Y'know. Setting up Crazy w/o my flip.

Slippo.