Why does everyone random vote at the start of a game?
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SpamWise Goon
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Why does everyone random vote at the start of a game?
Well?"The sky will cover you when you fall down"-
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Turbovolver Mafia Scum
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Mr Stoofer Less than scum
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VisMaior Flip Out!
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Its tradition. You are free to design game mechanics that can deal woth the problem of day1. I did so in Summit, and it worked. NOT."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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Cogito Ergo Sum YARR!
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Indeed. Day 1 tends to be a problem, because there is usually hardly any info. Random voting is a means to try and get the game started for real. It is an attempt to make things happen, to give people something to talk about. It doesn't always work, but it can work.
If one person says they're not going to put a random vote, that can actually be helpful, as it can lead to discussion. If nobody random voted however, the game could stall quite quickly.Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
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Flying Dutchman I never think
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The original purpose of Random Votes was to get the day started: If everybody votes truly random, someone is likely to end up with 2 or 3 votes. That person will have to post a (Mostly CrapLogic) defence why he/she isn't scum, and people will respond to that. In other words, there is some behaviour to analyze, and something to keep the discussion going.
However, Random votes are almost never truly random. A cop will often 'random' vote his target if he found it to be guilty, and scum/mason groups will usually not vote each other randomly. (Or they will, to attempt to hide the connection!). Anyway, a good player can tell a lot from people's 'random' votes.
(The problem is that most players are hesistant to put a second or third vote up when random voting, so they 'randomly' happen to vote for someone who has no votes yet. A lot of games have this problem: Everybody will end up with exactly 1 vote, and the whole purpose of random voting is eliminated!)-
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Turbovolver Mafia Scum
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But how can you tell whether the scum/masons were the type to random vote their partner or avoid random voting their partner?Flying Dutchman wrote:However, Random votes are almost never truly random. A cop will often 'random' vote his target if he found it to be guilty, and scum/mason groups will usually not vote each other randomly. (Or they will, to attempt to hide the connection!). Anyway, a good player can tell a lot from people's 'random' votes.
I think it's pretty impossible to learn something from random votes, except perhaps in the cop case.
Vote: Flying Dutchmanfor that little spiel.
FOS: Turbovolverfor killing the joke.-
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rajrhcpfreak I puzzle myself sometimes
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i dont random vote.
i vote for people who vote for me (OMGUS)
or i make up crap logic untill a person looks like scum.
then i nail 2 out of the 3 of you and then i am lynched for being so good.Showhttp://kysurvivorfreak.blogspot.com/
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Glork Burdened by Proficiency
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I don't random vote. I arbitrarily vote.
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Fritzler More /in than you!
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This is the biggest issue. If one or two people randomly vote a cops guilty, a cop can also vote them, allowing a bandwagon, discussion, and lynching of scum.Flying Dutchman wrote:However, Random votes are almost never truly random. A cop will often 'random' vote his target if he found it to be guilty, and scum/mason groups will usually not vote each other randomly. (Or they will, to attempt to hide the connection!). Anyway, a good player can tell a lot from people's 'random' votes.Surfs up dude.-
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LoudmouthLee Mafia Scum
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Mr. Flay Metatron
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Ahhh, the eternal topic... check out this thread from September 2005 and this kinda-related one from August and this thread too from May, all just last year!
::edit::And this one from all the way back in late 2003, saying it's an eternal question and can never be satisfactorily solved!Last edited by Mr. Flay on Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:27 am, edited 2 times in total.Retired as of October 2014.-
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rajrhcpfreak I puzzle myself sometimes
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thats why you need people like me to bump the old topics so we wont have so many multiple topics going on.Showhttp://kysurvivorfreak.blogspot.com/
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BabyJesus Not Helpful!
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I do it for a number of reasons. If I'm town, I do it because I don't have any information, and one vote's as good as another. If I'm scum, I do it so that people will think that I don't have any information, and so on.
Although, I rarely vote completely at random. I prefer to vote for people for arbitrary and meaningless reasons like that they were scum in the last game, or that they were the last to confirm, or that they have too much leetspeak in their username.It's better to be lucky than skilled, surely. However, it's a lot easier to be skilled twice than lucky twice.-
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Yosarian2 (shrug)
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An inital random vote, or an initial choice to not random vote (I random vote about half the time) can give information, and so can when a person chooses to remove their initial random vote.
Lately, I've sometimes been semi-random voting in my second or third post of the game, instead of my first post, because I seem to get more interesting reactions that way.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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PolarBoy Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Mafia
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Back when someone tried to abolish random voting, I went and made an awesome wiki article about it. Unfortunately the wiki was moved shortly after, and the last back-up was before I made that article, so I haven't reconstructed it yet.
I still stand by my view that the wiki is a better way to preserve information about consensus or lasting controversy than bumping old discussion threads. I just don't have the time to go write all the articles I'd like to write.MUNSCM Delegate for the United Kingdom
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LoudmouthLee Mafia Scum
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Or, you should really keep ongoing game discussion to the thread. Please alert the mod. I was talking about a Newbie game in which Fritzler was modding. Newbie #193. Fritzler will corrobarate this.Fiasco wrote:
On the other hand, sometimes scum victimize innocents based on their first post. So the argument goes both ways, really.LoudmouthLee wrote:Or, some people out themselves in the first post of the game."LML = Mafia God" - Pie Is Good
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Fritzler More /in than you!
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Damn straight, to quote pie, "LML = mafia god"LoudmouthLee wrote:
Or, you should really keep ongoing game discussion to the thread. Please alert the mod. I was talking about a Newbie game in which Fritzler was modding. Newbie #193. Fritzler will corrobarate this.Fiasco wrote:
On the other hand, sometimes scum victimize innocents based on their first post. So the argument goes both ways, really.LoudmouthLee wrote:Or, some people out themselves in the first post of the game.
Seriously, on his first post, he caught turbovolver, who made a scummy comment in post one (his "random" vote), and made enough noise to catch the other scum. One of the more damn impressive things I've ever seen. So if random votes let people like lml catch scum, then I'm all for them.Surfs up dude.-
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