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Dodgy Gives MeMe the willies
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While GC's last post does seem to be rather commanding and doesn't seem to bring anything new to the table, I don't think it's necessarily scummy, although I'm a bit uneasy about his throwing around of FOSes and refusal to vote.
BJ: What's the point of hinting at a role if you think it's "that obvious"? Just tell us so we're not confused and assume you're a different role than what you actually are. I don't really think you're scum either but you're being unnecessarily obscure.
For those of us who don't go to MGTS, could you clarify why exactly this clears Poirot?armlx wrote:Vote Falcone
In a re-read something huge came to me. I forgot Poirot = Xyre on MTGS. Behavior is fairly consistant with non-scumminess there, and that leaves Falcone.-
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Green Crayons Jack of All Trades
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Because that's the whole point. You play every game that I've seen you in the exact same way. What's this play style consist of? "Vote Player A. Everyone else should, too. Why isn't everyone voting Player A? Nevermind, let's vote Player B. Let's lynch Player B already. Hello, anyone out there? Why haven't we moved to night yet?" etc, etc. You've established a playing style that you adhere to regardless of alignment - and that style just so happens to be unable to be construyed as an indicator to your guilt or innocence. In essence, by continuing to follow your play style, there isn't anything that we can conceivably come up with to call you suspect, even though that play style is suspicious in and of itself, because you adhere to this specifical style in every game. Thus, I was only voicing my irritation at the styleBabyJesus wrote:What is the point of a "FOS" for someone thing which you claim is not an indicator of guilt....andthe general sense that I find you suspicious on basic principle - though, obviously, it isn't worthy of my vote, just my ire.
Why were you hinting to a role in the first place?BabyJesus wrote:try focusing on the end of day one. Seriously, its not like its hidden or anything."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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I love how you didn't read my reason why I didn't vote - I said it twice in my reponse-post. Furthermore, I never "refused" to vote (great loaded word choice, though), I simply postponed voting at that moment, and said, quote, "I'll vote shortly when I get reactions."Shamrock wrote:While GC's last post does seem to be rather commanding and doesn't seem to bring anything new to the table, I don't think it's necessarily scummy, although I'm a bit uneasy about his throwing around of FOSes and refusal to vote."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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That's because I'm waiting on armlx, whom I was most likely going to pin my vote on - it just hinges on his response, and he has yet to. If he comes up with something adaquete enough, I'll place my vote elsewhere, and it will most definately be based on the responses that I have received."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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BabyJesus Not Helpful!
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huh? There is nothing remotely dangerous or foolish whether town or scum knows my role. I don't think you caught it at all.Dodgy wrote:@ BabyJesus,
I think you mean the end of day 2 as there was no day 1(officially).
I hope you are bluffing or we are all buggered!
Hinting rather loudly at a certain role is foolish and dangerous.
I'm now starting to think you have either stuck a nail in the towns coffin or you are scum.:coo:
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Well duh. Doesn't EVERYONE try to play the same whether they are scum or town? I thought that was the whole point? There's not a single player that wishes they could avoid having a scum tell. Why would that draw your ire?Green Crayons wrote:
Because that's the whole point. You play every game that I've seen you in the exact same way. What's this play style consist of? "Vote Player A. Everyone else should, too. Why isn't everyone voting Player A? Nevermind, let's vote Player B. Let's lynch Player B already. Hello, anyone out there? Why haven't we moved to night yet?" etc, etc. You've established a playing style that you adhere to regardless of alignment - and that style just so happens to be unable to be construyed as an indicator to your guilt or innocence. In essence, by continuing to follow your play style, there isn't anything that we can conceivably come up with to call you suspect, even though that play style is suspicious in and of itself, because you adhere to this specifical style in every game. Thus, I was only voicing my irritation at the styleBabyJesus wrote:What is the point of a "FOS" for someone thing which you claim is not an indicator of guilt....andthe general sense that I find you suspicious on basic principle - though, obviously, it isn't worthy of my vote, just my ire.
Why were you hinting to a role in the first place?BabyJesus wrote:try focusing on the end of day one. Seriously, its not like its hidden or anything.:coo:
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I spent a lot of time analyzing BJ's posts to look for hints at his role, and then I finally found what he meant. It's really quite obvious, in fact it surprises me everyone has missed it so far. I more or less agree that it doesn't make much difference if his role becomes public knowledge, but I don't think he's cleared. Do you agree, BJ?-
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@ GC: Really, I don't think that suggesting possibilities for the town to work with is necessarily suspicious. I don't think you're being scummy, but you are abusing the FOS. You FOSed one-third of everyone else in the game, and that's hard to ignore. But it isn't deserving of a lynch."I did not decieve you, mon ami. At most, I permitted you to decieve yourself."-
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QFT. I have a theory, but I'd rather have a claim. When things are subtle, scum have better chance of figuring it out than townies, so you might as well spell it out.Shamrock wrote:BJ: What's the point of hinting at a role if you think it's "that obvious"? Just tell us so we're not confused
Personally, it drawsBabyJesus wrote:Well duh. Doesn't EVERYONE try to play the same whether they are scum or town? I thought that was the whole point? There's not a single player that wishes they could avoid having a scum tell. Why would that draw your ire?myire because you go too far. You prioritise it too high, sacrificing pro-town behaviour that might put you at risk. And, frankly, if you're a townie who'd rather put the town at risk than yourself, I don't consider you to be on my side.-
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not 100% cleared, no. Its not a "typical" scum role, though, as it throws off the end game balance if scum have that ability.Falcone wrote:I spent a lot of time analyzing BJ's posts to look for hints at his role, and then I finally found what he meant. It's really quite obvious, in fact it surprises me everyone has missed it so far. I more or less agree that it doesn't make much difference if his role becomes public knowledge, but I don't think he's cleared. Do you agree, BJ?:coo:
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Dodgy Gives MeMe the willies
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Falcone, Dodgy, Poirot, Graken, Adele, BabyJesus
Those people lynched SpeedyKQ. I actually forgot about looking back on that. BTW, why were there 7 votes on Speedy when 6 people were voting him?
Anyways, both people I went after were on the Speedy wagon, even without me remembering that. Coincidence? I think not.
Poirot's behavior is consistant with his behavior as a basic townie in a game I hosted on another site. However, my logic is flawed as I started reading a game he was a recruitable scum in. Still, thats about 1.5/2 and I'm willing not to vote him on that. MY other suspect was Falcone, so....Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Dodgy Gives MeMe the willies
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Green Crayons also voted for Speedy. His was the lynching vote.armlx wrote:Falcone, Dodgy, Poirot, Graken, Adele, BabyJesus
Those people lynched SpeedyKQ. I actually forgot about looking back on that. BTW, why were there 7 votes on Speedy when 6 people were voting him?
I'm not sure what point you're making here... that we can infer that your attacks were justified? Anyway, you make it sound like attacking two people on the wagon was rather unlikely. In fact, if you had attacked two people completely randomly, there'd be an 8.3% chance neither of them were on the wagon, 50% chance one of them was, and aarmlx wrote:Anyways, both people I went after were on the Speedy wagon, even without me remembering that. Coincidence? I think not.41.6% chancethat they both were on the wagon. Coincidence? Not exactly spooky...-
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You really need to stop skimming. The mod posted the final vote tally, I don't think GC was on it.Adele wrote:
Green Crayons also voted for Speedy. His was the lynching vote...armlx wrote:Falcone, Dodgy, Poirot, Graken, Adele, BabyJesus
Those people lynched SpeedyKQ. I actually forgot about looking back on that. BTW, why were there 7 votes on Speedy when 6 people were voting him?:coo:
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Ah. I played badly in both games.armlx wrote:Falcone, Dodgy, Poirot, Graken, Adele, BabyJesus
Those people lynched SpeedyKQ. I actually forgot about looking back on that. BTW, why were there 7 votes on Speedy when 6 people were voting him?
Anyways, both people I went after were on the Speedy wagon, even without me remembering that. Coincidence? I think not.
Poirot's behavior is consistant with his behavior as a basic townie in a game I hosted on another site. However, my logic is flawed as I started reading a game he was a recruitable scum in. Still, thats about 1.5/2 and I'm willing not to vote him on that. MY other suspect was Falcone, so....
@ Falcone: I just don't like players who multiple-FOS."I did not decieve you, mon ami. At most, I permitted you to decieve yourself."
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