In the Court of the Gods (Game Over)

[farside22]

And he was on V/LA when I initially replaced in, so I sent the first PM.

I didn't see anything in thread here about V/LA did he post that in the QT to you?

[Nachomamma8]

No zoraster told me.

[farside22]

@Nacho:What was nacho talking to Corvuus about last?

[Benmage]

DGB, after post 2715, how are you not voting hito?

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm second guessing-myself. I might. I should. I've been wrong before

[farside22]

@Nacho:What was nacho talking to Corvuus about last?

Sorry this should read what was fishy talking to Corvuus about last.

[Nachomamma8]

Talking about the Temple of Time, and what Corvus's townread of Fishy was from.

What purpose do these questions have? I'm not really garnering any from them.

[zoraster]

Day 3 Vote Count

Andrius ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

hitogoroshi ( 2 ) Benmage, farside22,

(L - 3 )

nopointinactingup ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

Equinox ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

farside22 ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

Corvuus ( 1 ) hitogoroshi,

(L - 4 )

Benmage ( 1 ) nopointinactingup,

(L - 4 )

No Lynch ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

Not Voting ( 5 )

Fishythefish,

DrippingGoofball,

Andrius,

Nobody Special,

Corvuus,
Total Votes ( 9 )

Deadline: March 22nd at 23:00 EST
With 9 able to vote, 5 needed to lynch.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p2877404 bottom of the post, i mention fishy is on V/LA.

[hitogoroshi]

Still kinda V/LA - it's Spring Break, catching up with friends and family trumps mafia, but I have time to respond to farside at least:

Why Hito looks like scum:

Call's Feysal a policy lynch.

...and? I'm failing to see why this is scummy.

@Hito:

What happened with this thought process:

In regards to Corvuus: I think he's very likely town with NS as the scum god and very likely scum with Fishy as the scum god

Quite frankly, there aren't that many people left who could be scum. One of my assumptions, somewhere, is wrong, and I think the most likely one is that Fishy really is the scum god. Feysal's flip puts Fishy in a seriously negative light.

Defends Feysal's lurking

Reading Theme Park without posting is not, is not, is not lurking.

Why did you say this:

Jack asked earlier why I'm still on the Feysal wagon. While I'm happy with both DRK or Feysal lynches, I think that DRK will have greater variance tomorrow. If he's scum, he'll probably collapse even harder than he is now - if he's town, he's got a chance to get his shit together. I don't see Feysal suddenly pulling a hail mary and getting into the game, in the way DRK could at least possibly do.

...what the hell is this question? Why did I say that? I said that because that is what I thought, and I tend to say things that I think. Do you have a problem with it or what?

Also you agreed with DTM when he stated that if one of Feysal or Corvuus is scum that makes NS town god.

I don't remember being 100% on it, but yeah, it certainly suggests that.

However your reason's for not voting Corvuus was this:

Mentioned this already. Corvuus seems very scummy, but it's very unlikely he's scum with NobodySpecial, who I think is probably the scumgod. For that reason - and basicially that reason alone - I want to refrain from a Corvuus lynch until/unless Fishy looks scummier or NS looks townier.

And now Fishy looks scummier, and NS looks townier.

Also the votes that hito does place against Feysal are so weak it's sad. Day 2 was a temporary, whatever then states he finds AGM/Benmage scummier. Today Benmage looks totally town.

so I get endless amounts of shit for just wanting Feysal lynched to end D1, even though I supported DRK as well, and now I'm getting shit for not voting Feysal HARD enough? wheeeeeeeeeeee

[Andrius]

Ok, since I'm outed, this'll come here instead of the QT.

IF there are 2 scumbags left we're in MyLo.

We need hito to die.
All the scumbag has to do is kill me tonight, and then hito is uber-framed. And hito would kill me anyway because I'll shoot him, and he'd just have to spin the WIFOM-wheels in order to stick around.

If we mislynch today we lose. Because they just kill me tonight and since their kill resolves before mine I die and we hit 2:2 and they win.

We've gotta be sure on this. :/

[farside22]

Hito: It's called scum bussing. Your vote and reasoning were weak.

Why did you not expect much from Feysal?

I notice you total ignored you 180 degree turn from one day Benmage scum to next day Benmage is town.

[hitogoroshi]

You're forgetting the Gods, Andrius.

2 mortal scum

Mislynch today:

Three mortal town, two mortal scum going in to night.

Andrius mis-vig and scum kill on someone else: Come to morning with two mortal scum and the scumgod, and one mortal town and two towngods. That's gg.

scum kill Andrius: Come to morning with two mortal scum and the scumgod, and two mortal town and two towngods. LYLO.

Andrius successfully shoots scum, scum shoot some other townie: Come to morning with one mortal scum and the scumgod, and two mortal town and two towngods. It's MYLO.

No-lynch today:

Four mortal town, two mortal scum going in to night.

Andrius mis-vig and scum kill on someone else: Come to morning with two mortal scum and the scumgod, and two mortal town and two towngods. That's LYLO.

scum kill Andrius: Come to morning with two mortal scum and the scumgod, and three mortal town and two towngods. MYLO.

Lynch scum today:

Four mortal town, one mortal scum going in to night.

Andrius mis-vig and scum kill on someone else: Come to morning with one mortal scum and the scumgod, and two mortal town and two towngods. MYLO.

scum kill Andrius: Come to morning with one mortal scum and the scumgod, and three mortal town and two towngods. It's 5:2.

One mortal scum:

Mislynch today:

Four mortal town, one mortal scum going in to night.

Andrius mis-vig and scum kill on someone else: Come to morning with one mortal scum and the scumgod, and two mortal town and two towngods. MYLO.

scum kill Andrius: Come to morning with one mortal scum and the scumgod, and three mortal town and two towngods. It's 5:2.

Andrius successfully shoots scum, scum shoot some other townie: we win!

No-lynch today:

Five mortal town, one mortal scum going in to night.

Andrius mis-vig and scum kill on someone else: Come to morning with one mortal scum and the scumgod, and three mortal town and two towngods. 5:2.

scum kill Andrius: Come to morning with one mortal scum and the scumgod, and four mortal town and two towngods. 6:2.

Lynch scum today:

We win! Horray!

Hito: It's called scum bussing. Your vote and reasoning were weak.

I fail to see how weakness/strength is a scumtell. I didn't want Feysal lynched because he dropped some super scumtell - I just wanted him down as a matter of policy. (At least D1 - my vote D2 was a compromise on DGB's traitor-fish line of thought [that incidentally I was 100% correct about]). Are you saying that policy lynches are more likely to be busses than some other kind of justification?

Why did you not expect much from Feysal?

Because he was playing extremely poorly.

I notice you total ignored you 180 degree turn from one day Benmage scum to next day Benmage is town.

Yes, I did. I explained this in thread. Self-voting makes sense as a scum gambit. Completely derailing an easy wagon on a townie does not.

[Andrius]

*insert facepalm here*
I completely forgot about them there immortals. Sorry.

[Nachomamma8]

MOMMY MOMMY I WANT A BREAK

[farside22]

*predict hito voting for me based on no reason in the next 3 post of his*

I fail to see how weakness/strength is a scumtell. I didn't want Feysal lynched because he dropped some super scumtell - I just wanted him down as a matter of policy. (At least D1 - my vote D2 was a compromise on DGB's traitor-fish line of thought [that incidentally I was 100% correct about]). Are you saying that policy lynches are more likely to be busses than some other kind of justification?

So finding a weak reason for voting for one player over the other is a town tell in your book?
You didn't have a good reason for your vote. I'm stating it looks like scum bussing.
Have a nice day.

[DrippingGoofball]

Nacho is super-scummy.

[hitogoroshi]

*predict hito voting for me based on no reason in the next 3 post of his*

passive agressive character smearing with no substance? oh boy my favorite

So finding a weak reason for voting for one player over the other is a town tell in your book?

No, it's null. What I'm asking is WHY you think it's scum bussing.

There was a wagon on town, and a wagon on scum. I was on the town wagon, but I really just wanted the day to end, and that combined with DTM's sudden assertion that DRK is town was enough to swing me to Feysal.

Are you saying that, as scum, I decided to disarm the growing DRK-mislynch wagon to try to get my buddy lynched?

[farside22]

First you vote on DRK with your reason's.

Anyway, I think it's time to exeunt from the Tajo wagon. I still have my misgivings about him, but I've talked at length with DGB about them, so I'm sure if I die she'll bring them up if needed. (The short version is that there seems to be a disconnect between his thread play and how he's approaching the QT; a sudden earnesty in one, but not the other.)

Of Feysal/DRK, I prefer DRK. He's been very lurky except when called on, seems very passive and defensive, and his interactions with Tajo are strained to the breaking point.

Unvote, Vote: DRK

As for Feysal, I'm torn. His play reminds me a lot of my early town play, in games like Mini 847, before I properly grasped good vote usage and bandwagoning. That being said, I can't easily peg whether it's newb-town or newb-scum, because if you don't understand good vote usage you're going to be pretty similar as town OR scum. (Sadly, that's mostly speculation, as I never had a scum game in my terrible-player phase.) Because of this unreadability, he's a fine policy lynch. I don't think his chances of being scum are as high as DRK, but I also don't think we won't be getting clear reads on Feysal at all this game.

You give Feysal a newb tell even though he's been on the site awhile


Then when you do vote for Feysal. This is the only reason you put
viewtopic.php?p=2797011#p2797011

However you stated prior to that you had him listed as null flavored scum. So really there should have been more reason's then that.


When you explain you reason for voting Feysal over DRK

Does that Feysal <--> NS connection cut both ways? If Feysal is scum, NS is a town god?

Jack asked earlier why I'm still on the Feysal wagon. While I'm happy with both DRK or Feysal lynches, I think that DRK will have greater variance tomorrow. If he's scum, he'll probably collapse even harder than he is now - if he's town, he's got a chance to get his shit together. I don't see Feysal suddenly pulling a hail mary and getting into the game, in the way DRK could at least

possibly

do. Yes, DRK looks like hilariously collapsing scum, but we'll see what another day under the microscope does for him. DRK is more transparent; and while I've seen a lot of things I don't like, it it at least means that tomorrow I'll see more.

Fence sitting and policy lynching. IE: Weak reasoning.
It's not null if your just voting to vote. Your staying off the town wagon while calling DRK scummy. None of your reason's add up.

[farside22]

Also Hito: I remember your town game and how you came to conclusions on who was scum and why. None of that is going on in this game.

[Fishythefish]

VOTE: Hito

With Hito's claim turning out to be BS, he's back on the menu, and I think he's a good lynch:

- Weird move day 1, where he votes Feysal when he seems to think DRK is scummier.
- What kind of vig claim doesn't get killed?
- I don't know Hito's townplay well, but priests I trust have told me this is not like it (notably farside and Faraday).

[Andrius]

I think hito needs death. If he sticks around any longer than this he's going to cause more trouble.
I'll shoot/no-shoot accordingly to whatever flip.
And DGB and nopoint will be here to help, so.

[nopointinactingup]

fine. Hito first then.
Unvote.Vote:Hito
That will be bolded once Nacho made at least a sign of contribution.

[Nobody Special]

MOMMY MOMMY I WANT A BREAK

Oh, Nacho.

If we lynch hito today, it will give poor Nacho some more time to

contrive a believable fakeclaim

catch up.

I'd like to hear some more from Nacho before we lynch hito, but I'm willing to lynch hito first.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm deeply concerned by Nacho.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm deeply concerned by Nacho.

Nacho and hito need to die. The only question is the order.

Fishy wants hito dead now, and NS leans on hito dead first. Both want hito heading the line to the guillotine (pun intended!)

That worries me somewhat, since I know one of them is a scum god.