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[Hoppster]

You made two points:

- You have a town read on VPB
- You want VPB dead

Why do you want town dead?


Even if we then disregard your first point, your second point contrasts with your behaviour. You want some guy dead, you then don't vote him.

Perhaps it's the LSD but all that seemed awfully self-contradictory.

[chesskid3]

I want him nightkilled because I hate his playstyle. Make sense yet?

[Thor665]

I actually agree with CHesskid (egads!)

@Hoppster - how is that, *in any way*, a scumtell?

Unvote: Erratus Appa-whatevs
Sneak up from behind and chop block the leg: Hoppster

[Hoppster]

@ chesskid: Well, I understand to a better extent but still not completely. What is it about his playstyle that makes you want him dead?

@ Thor: While I don't completely agree with everything VPB has been posting, so far he's seemed to me to be decently pro-town. Is wanting pro-town people dead not anti-town? That seemed rather intuitive to me.

[Nero Cain]

Meta says Chess is prob town. Jason is likely town. I hate VPs vote on him. Yea Jason made a VI post, that doesn't make him scum. The scum are prolly the ones sitting back like IS and Bella.

[Thor665]

@Hoppster - anti-town is different than scummy. That seemed rather intuitive to me as well. What's the scum tell?

[chesskid3]

Thor can you take this one, I'm kinda not feeling like it atm <3

[Hoppster]

@ Thor: "Anti-Town is a catch-all term that applies to any role that is neither pro-Town or ambiguous. An anti-Town role or faction is one whose win condition is to kill off all pro-Town players. The most common anti-Town role is the Mafia Goon.

In addition to killing all the pro-Town roles, most third-party anti-Town roles also need to kill off any other anti-Town players in the game. The most common third-party anti-Town role is the Serial Killer.

Anti-Town roles or factions are commonly referred to collectively as Scum. " ~ MafiaScum Wiki.

This seems to suggest that Anti-Town tell = Scum tell. YOUR INTUITION IS WRONG.


@ NC: What about sotty/Zach's vote on Jason?

[chesskid3]

YOU DID NOT JUST QUOTE THE WIKI
OMG
ARE YOU SERIOUS

[Nero Cain]

@ NC: What about sotty/Zach's vote on Jason?

Pressure vote? That's how I read it.

@Sotty Do you actually find Jason scummy or was it a pressure vote to ge him to respond to 452?

[Hoppster]

What? Is the wiki not a reliable source of information?

^ Not sarcasm, genuine question.


@ NC: Wasn't VPB's vote also a pressure vote? I saw them both as pressure votes.

[Thor665]

^Must be sarcasm because he hung a lampshade on it.

@Hoppster - okay...what was the scumvantage to doing what he did? Or do you think he's dumb enough to openly declare scum in thread (though I could see where that conclusion could come from).

Seriously - shove the wiki and tell me *why Chess is scum for his attitude towards VPB* why are you having trouble doing this since it was worthy of a vote?

[Nero Cain]

@ NC: Wasn't VPB's vote also a pressure vote? I saw them both as pressure votes.

Apparently it was. Derp on me.

[Hoppster]

That lampshade reference is lost on me I'm afraid. Unless you mean the "^"?

@ Thor: Something scummy doesn't necessarily have to have any scumvantage, does it? It could just be really stupid and bad play. In this case, I think it's chesskid's overreaction to people over-pushing his rumble actions.

I'm not saying chesskid is a dead cert for scum, but he's certainly the best bet I've got for scum so far during Raw. I just don't see how wanting a pro-town player dead is not anti-town and/or scummy (depending on discrepancies of the definition between the two). Unless there's some horrific aspect to VPB's play which I haven't experienced yet (in which case, please tell me), I see no town motivation for wanting somebody you have a town-read on to be killed, (unless in some scenario where you're in possession of an awesome PR and it's either you or him). Do you?

Also, I would appreciate it if you'd answer my question about using the wiki as a reliable source of information.


@ NC: What would you say is the difference in playstyle between chesskid-scum and chesskid-town?

[VP Baltar]

Tsunami Suplex: Nero Cain

Despite what I said earlier, chesskid is probably town. He just really sucks at mafia. It's not his fault though. He goes to Princeton yo.

[Faraday]

Vote Count 1.2

chesskid3 (3) Erratus Apathos, Baby Spice, Hoppster
Gobots (2) Vezokpiraka, Kise
Jasont1989 (1) Sottyrulez
Baby Spice (1) Debonair Danny DiPietro, Furcolow
Trendall (1) Primate
Hoppster (1) Thor665
Nero Cain (1) VP Balter

Not voting (16) Kublai Khan, Nero Cain, Lowell, Jasont1981, Scott Brosius, VasudeVa, Internet Stranger, Gman, chesskid3, Trendall, SnakePlissken, Aurousvox, jediknight, bristep123, Bella, Gobots
,
JR : Oh my god! Chesskid just got chokeslammed all the way to hell!

King : And it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy! Let's hope he stays there.

JR: How the heck can you say that King?

[Thor665]

@Hoppster - something scummy *does* neccessarily need a scumvantage because the only way anything is a scumtell is if it's something that is *more* likely to be done by scum than by town. If you just go "lawl, bad play, votevotevote" then all you're doing is admitting you're voting for a bad player.

And I have TERRIBLE news for you. Statistically, bad players are town *just* as much as good players! Shocking, I know, yet provably true.

Also, you keep talking about how it's scummy that he wants VPB killed...but you voted him for saying that while also not voting for VPB. So...why did the scum not vote somebody he wants dead for being town exactly?

Spoiler: The wiki discussion

The wiki is generally accepted as a reasonable tool for learning definitions, but its active use in a game is mostly derided as being outdated and mostly not useful.
Lampshade=admitting awareness of something by making a joke about it. You acted like using the wiki was serious business...yet via your joke appeared well aware this was not normal.

[Baby Spice]

Hoppster: The font of all knowledge, TV Tropes

[Thor665]

Oh gawds, looked in his wiki at other games he's played.

Unvote: Hoppster
Flair Flop to eye poke when he looks away in shame: Erratus Apathos

2nd verse, same as the first.

[Erratus Apathos]

Eh, I think I understand chesskid now.

Brass knuckles punch: Nero Cain

for saying the scum is hanging back, but not voting.

[Lowell]

Will catch up, hopefully tomorrow.

I quick perusal says there are (a) many good reads out there, and that (b) they are mostly gut.

[chesskid3]

NC is town
>_>

Eye Gouge: Erratus Apathos

[Internet Stranger]

Im reading through and all I can say is that all of this is just ugly. UGLY. Its so ugly that I cant make reads on it. Unfortunately I agree with Nero though. Out of the active people, I guess that only one is scum. The rest of them are lurking.

[AurorusVox]

DRUNKVOTING

Vote: Babyspice

Behaviour during thingy runmbel and plus other various details more tomorrow if neededed

[chesskid3]

>_>
vote aint no wrestlin move son