In the Court of the Gods (Game Over)

[Andrius]

SpyreX's inactivity is totally not cool.
He's not acting pro-town like we all know him to be.
Evidentially going from POWERFUL WIZARD to HIGH PRIEST did something to his brain.

tajo is pushing Feysal oddly hard. Have to ISO to see if this is new.

Jack is also scum, but he won't say it. No wait he already did P1.

Jack still hasn't outlined why I'm scum besides for some misplaced gut-read.

DRK IS lazy. We need to do something about it because we won't magically make her any more active than he wants to be.

Don't like how Benmage is playing right now. Not getting an overwhelming town-read, which is unusual.

And now tajo magically thinks I'm scum? Why the reversal?

My LLD read is getting soiled. :/ I'm not reading her as protown as I did earlier.

Benmage is more bitter this game. Not sure why.

The umineko thing, while cute, needs to stop.

Agree with 945.

Somehow I don't suggest the vig shoot Jack. Idk, the BP claim seemed more legit to me than anything else... FFFF

Ask Andrius, I had kittens over this in the QT - because I don't believe for a second that the power to grant BP is a role... since I grant BP once per 4 days and I'm a GOD ***fruit-flavored thunder***. So I tell Andrius, what kinda friggin gambit is this? Who is going to believe that nonsense? Is this a scum gambit or a town gambit. I suggest that DTMaster is behind this and sure enough... DTMaster posts within minutes of my QT rant.

I confirm this. She doubted the BP claim and began to question DTM's alignment further.
And post DTM did.

@Andy: I would have been onto you if DGB hasn't insisted that you're town. And yes, I trust her enough to claim to her if you're wondering.

So without DGB I'm scum to you?

DTM claims Town. Hider.
Hider = scum.
Lynch away.

Unvote, Vote: DTMaster[//b]

SPYREX WHAT IS THIS ABOUT DTMREDIRECTOR READ. /fail

Jack doesn't have a scumread on me. I explained this already.

If you really think Andrius and hito are scum, shouldn't you, gee, I dunno, be trying to persuade us that they're worth lynching, at least tomorrow?

Which is why he isn't, because he's scum.

SpyreX is probably scum, sadly.
He leads as town, here he's just waiting for things to happen and not help MAKE them happen.

I stand by my Goddess on her BP-give read.

Willing to hammer if need be. /runs off to DGB's Temple

[Andrius]

And that was meant to be a vote.^

[DTMaster]

Do you know what a hider is? I hide behind people. If they are scum

I die

. I am not targetable since hide resolves before most actions int he natural order resolution. In a sense

I'm claiming weak cop

. You know, the guarenteed sane cop? (Barring GFs and such).

[Equinox]

And that was meant to be a vote.^

WTF are you doing 2 days before deadline with 2 competing wagons?

[DTMaster]

You are confusing this role

The Hider has the ability to target one player each night. If that player is pro-town, the hider is protected from Night-Kills that night. If the player targeted is killed that same night, the Hider dies too. If the player targeted is Mafia, the hider usually dies.

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Commuter
Alias: Coward

Alignment: Pro-town

Role type: Protective

Choice: Night



The Commuter is a town aligned role which can commute and leave the town for the night. Therefore, the player with this role is immune to night kills any night which they have commuted.

This power is usually limited with a restriction of not being able to commute on consecutive nights.

Some moderators also apply this night choice immunity to other night actions such as investigation and role blocking.

Where the coward usually is a self target commute.

[DTMaster]

Also Archived Meta

http://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewtopic.php?t=11720

Lowell, Townie Hider, crumpeted in the town square Day 1.
ThAdmiral (replacing Far_Cry), Townie Doctor, stabbed Night 1.
Hero764, Townie Lover, torn to shreds Night 1.
Mokina, Townie Lover, killed herself in grief dawn of Day 2.
qwints, Serial Killer, pilloried to the amusement of no one Day 2.
Nikanor (replacing Wiirdo), Townie, torn to shreds Night 2.
dank (replacing Raivann), Townie, smothered politely with a feather pillow Day 3.

This was a NORMAL game.

[Equinox]

I'm probably being forgetful, but does anyone have SpyreX-scum meta? I see the talk about SpyreX-town usually leading, but I have meta that shows that SpyreX-scum leads as well. Prove me wrong.

[Andrius]

Ah.
Somehow missed that.
But still, Hider is meh.

Unvote

for now.
Battler, I said I'd move votes later on; making a point.

[DTMaster]

FYI Andruis also equates laziness = scum implictly. "making someone do something due to laziness" is not a town argument because you're not activly commenting on a case.

Aside from the rereading statements the belief the Jack is BP is more of a scum suspicion rather then a town suspicion. Town are more likely to critisize a BP claim because they feel like the BP person just failed to fulfill their role (i.e. attract them kills). While Andruis believes in the BP which is more of a scum mindset (i.e. I want my kills to work god damn it)..

There's pretty bad implicit things in that post, while I edit post my other stuff.

[Andrius]

I'd like my kills to work too god damn it!
I DESERVE WORKING KILLS.
TownVig you better do the right thing and shoot scum tonight.

[DTMaster]

@Farside
The meta read contridicts Feysal's self MO. Considering that he activly tried to break the setup and in your game you link Feysal was generating strong reads with arguments, this breaks his demonstrated MO of what he does as town. It conflicts with his statement that he sits back and comments on other cases as a player, since there are 2 cases where he did more then "agree/disagree" on cases.

Iso post 9 in the linked game illustrates a plan to confirm people based on the ability to pick up weapons.
Iso 11 critiques another player's methods (much like someone would take the vantage point and crituqe a player's case).

@Benmage
I want you dead. If I die then I still want you dead :p.

@Corvuis
1. I sunk the gambit on my own initative because I thought it is too counter productive during the day. Do go on my wiki and understand that I initiate my arguments/actions as any factions. (Most recent one is OoT Mafia for scum and a good one for my cop powers is It's always Sunny in Philelphia Mafia run my Reck in minithemes where I outed 2/3 scums I'll get the links) The noise level would be too great and distracting, and scum would have worked that to their advantage.

So the easiest way, by many people's standards of course, was my claim. Then explaination. Then sunk the whole gambit. If you think I mishandled that gambit, fine I did. But there's literally no motivation to premtively steal the spotlight away from DRK and let me defend him. If you read my mafia meta, I don't care if my partner is getting lynched. I throw them under the bus then run them over and over and over. (OoT I literally won by lynching my mafia partner, but then again the situation is different).

There is no gain for me to defend DRK like this, unless I think he's a town read. Literally, WIFOM or not just skim over my games :p.

Considering that

I posted how my role worked you'll understand that my death means that I confirmed scum

. Read how the hider role works. Read that if I die and my target lives guess who is scum? Oh right THE TARGET THAT CAUSED ME TO DIE. There will be an unexplained death of a Hider and I claimed my targets via QT. Since I didn't trust NS, I claimed 3 possible targets and tried to get DRK to shoot me if he was scum.

Oh yeah, what are hiders immune to again? Kills. Am I BP? No. Can I die? Yeah if my target also dies and is town, I die. Can I be RBed? Well Natural Order Resolution stops that so no. Is this role super IMBA? Hell yeah. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... Resolution

An action that supercedes blocking, busing and is a guarentee sane cop investigation? (Barring GFs and such). You bet your ass that that if I die, then there's a ton of information because I can't die normally. Do you understand now?

[DTMaster]

Also

@Corvuis
1. I'm asking you to make defined reads. You're being wishy-washy in that you're attacking me, but you agree that there is both town and scum arguments there. What is your defined, on the dot read of me.

2. In regards to NS, even if he is scum (oh mai), that doesn't change the fact on who I want to hide behind. My life isn't important. Like I said, it's how hiders die is important. Since NAR is on my side, my death will tell you guys who's scum. Since it's unmodifiable via NAR, that means blocking/bussing/redirecting is a non issue. That means scum is hooped. I will target someone tonight. I can 85% clear them if they are town (GFs and such might wreck it) and 100% catch scum if I die.

I'll be maintaining my course of action tonight kthnksbye.

@Jack/Equinox
Your assessment is making me question this case now. I'm starting to think that this wagon should swing towards Benmage if both DRK and Feysal aren't ringing well in yee guts. Benmage case begins nao.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Order of Night Actions

1. Roleblocks
2. Protections
3. Misc. 1
4. Kills
a. Mafia Kills
b. Serial Killer Kills
c. Vigil Kills
d. Other Kills (say what!?)
5. Misc. 2
6. Investigations

[DrippingGoofball]

Do you know what a hider is? I hide behind people. If they are scum

I die

. I am not targetable since hide resolves before most actions int he natural order resolution. In a sense

I'm claiming weak cop

. You know, the guarenteed sane cop? (Barring GFs and such).

What's that? You're claiming scum? I just want to be sure.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh yeah, what are hiders immune to again? Kills. Am I BP? No. Can I die? Yeah if my target also dies and is town, I die.

Can I be RBed? Well Natural Order Resolution stops that so no.

Is this role super IMBA? Hell yeah. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... Resolution

Yeah... pay more attention.

[DrippingGoofball]

Because that's also a role that might explain your continued existence every morning.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was talking to him DGB. His hider role CAN be RB'd.

[DTMaster]

Actually, that puts a wrench in things :<. Hmmmz. I missed that. Hide will probably fall under misc.1.

[DTMaster]

My continued existance has been shortened significantly due to that information D:.

[DTMaster]

Umm, DGB? Where did you get scum claim from hider = weak cop in mechanics with bps (sorta I die if scum hits my targets).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Actually, that puts a wrench in things :<. Hmmmz. I missed that. Hide will probably fall under misc.1.

And this kids, is why you actually fucking read the rules when you join/replace into a game.

[Equinox]

I'm not too worried about DTMaster, DrippingGoofball. (Yes, I've thought this through.)

[DTMaster]

"shrugs" it's too late since I claimed. If you're going to use that against me LLD, please construct the scum argument in the form: This is why DTM is town, or DTM is scum. The critism, while natural, doesn't solve a thing.

[Jack]

unvote, vote:benmage

Go go go!

[Jack]

And that was meant to be a vote.^

WTF are you doing 2 days before deadline with 2 competing wagons?

Being scum.