Sorry for the wall.
Jack wrote:hitogoroshi wrote:
I was refering to this bit of DTM's:
DTM wrote:Finally my analysis turned up that Jack and DRK are town. DRK called my claim stupid. Had DRK been scum he would have been silent. I quote: DRK hoped that I wasn't the doctor and was lying since I was putting attention on him. Rather then exploit a doctor claim DRK did the opposite and distrusted that my claim was true. Jack claimed the same thing saying that my claims could be modified due to NS.
I think it's very likely DTM is telling the truth, and while I don't understand specifically what lies he told to who, this part still seems pretty solid; at least enough to give DRK the benefit of the doubt for a day. How is this not solid information in any way?
Very interesting, you tell me, considering you said:
hitogoroshi wrote:I'm gonna need it explained in more detail why DRK is cleared off of DTM's whateverthehellthing, because I'm not parsing the nitty gritty of his SWEETS GAMBITS, but whatever, I'll trust that DTM knows what he's doing.
So, what wasn't solid information to you? Why did you need to trust, what couldn't you parse, and what did you need explained about "whateverthehellthing"? Since the only thing you say NOW that you were unsure of is what lies he told to who?
Alright, you're right that "pretty solid" was absolutely not the right phrase there. A much better one would be, "pretty unambiguous." While parts of DTM's line of thought are muddled and confusion, his conclusion of "town read on DRK" was clear.
As for what wasn't solid, I'm still not 100% how he expected to catch DRK-scum off of what he did. That's what I'm failing to parse. The trust part is that I assume if he walked in with DRK as his biggest in-masonry scum read (as seems to be the case), and he now has a town read on DRK, it's for a good reason.
That bit from DTM is very clear, it's just his read on what drk would or wouldn't have done and is very sketchy in fact. No reason for scum-drk to not call the claim stupid.
Surely there would be an incentive for scum-drk to play along even without believing DTM? The whole point of false information leaks is that scum or town would react differently to them; wouldn't DRK simply do the "town" thing instead of tearing down the game entirely?
Not seeing the problem. Good day one in that I got a lot of information on a lot of people. Didn't get much on Feysal, don't expect to get much on Feysal.
Going from this:
hitogoroshi wrote:Of Feysal/DRK, I prefer DRK. He's been very lurky except when called on, seems very passive and defensive, and his interactions with Tajo are strained to the breaking point.
To outright trying to lynch feysal over drk just because of dtm's read on him shows that you didn't really care about your drk "scum read", or about who gets lynched as long as it isn't a buddy.
That's not really fair. I had a preference of DRK over Feysal because DRK seemed like scum, whereas Feysal was inscrutable and likely to remain such but less positively scummy. I prefer a Tajo lynch to
either
of these, but a Tajo lynch wasn't happening. So, I voted DRK. Then, DTM mentioned a town read on DRK, and the Feysal wagon swelled to include five of my six strongest townreads. It's not about "not caring who gets lynched" - it's just that I like both of these wagons. While I liked the DRK-wagon slightly more, if a strong town reads has reason to believe he's town, and the Feysal wagon is full of townies, and deadline is near, that's more than enough incentive to switch.
Equinox wrote:If either of these two (Corvuus or Feysal) are scum, Nobody Special is a town god.
I agree with this.
Equinox wrote:hitogoroshi, there's a competing wagon... one that you just left despite having a read. What are you doing?
They're both good wagons. DTM has a townread on DRK, and with the information apparently flying about in QT I suspect we'll have more to work with on DRK tomorrow. I don't think Feysal is ever going to give us much to work with by sheer virtue of his posting/voting habits. So, while my personal conviction is that DRK is more likely to flip scum than Feysal, if there is a.) a boatload of townreads that think otherwise and b.) hints that we'll have a lot of new info on DRK tomorrow, I'm easily willing to lynch Feysal now.
Equinox wrote:Here's the kick: I am considering a Corvuus wagon. Verdict coming soon.
What has your QT with fishy lead you to believe about his alignment?
farside wrote:He's been here since 10/2010 and he played mafia at other sites if you read his wiki.
Calling the play newbie-playstyle-tells, does not compute. Scum use those tells throughout MS.
Newbie isn't a function of time in the way I'm using it. It's "whether or not you understand the value of frequent voting/high-pressure wagoning/constant transparency". Feysal clearly either doesn't or is refusing to. My guess is the former, though maybe the meta you're mentoining swings it toward the latter. Regardless, I think there's enough value in the policy lynch, so any additional scum convictions are just icing on the cake.
DRK wrote:I saw the post on the 13th and I kind of assumed it was a gambit. Figuring it was a reaction test, I tried to give what I thought would be the town response and was just like "lolwut?". I asked if I should still post DTM's message in thread, considering his discussion of messages passed around in the QT would make it obvious that message came from him.
what I thought would be the town response
"Don’t buy a dozen eggs if you just want a hardboiled egg. Don’t buy a head of lettuce if you just want a salad. Don’t buy eggs and lettuce if you want egg salad because those are not the right ingredients." -Julius Bloop
