In the Court of the Gods (Game Over)

[Nobody Special]

Actually I take that back. I just realize I overlapped Percy and Benmage .. I'm going to take a break and sleep on this. I believe more accurate Meta will be Battle Mage and Tarot Cards.

You can't even keep your players straight and yet you're founding a complex gambit on who was in which game. Sad, really; I feel you've essentially wasted our time for the last few days.

Having read and digested things, I am ready to

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Feysal

[Jack]

Jack, I'll second hito that I want an answer to where your Andrius scum read came from. Or hell, did I miss where you explained where your hito scum read came from? Because both of those sound like they came from Mars. Again, I get succinct gut players, but your playstyle isn't an excuse to never show your thought process and just post random names as your scum list.

http://www.dan.sperber.fr/wp-content/up ... reason.pdf

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Jack, tl;dr. 72 pages? not a chance.

[Jack]

Jack, tl;dr. 72 pages? not a chance.

Fine by me, I reserve my right to play as I do

[DTMaster]

I've asked for your input on my reads for the last day or so... Why haven't you answered my recent QT posts? Hmm?

[DrippingGoofball]

-What happened that made DGB think DTM was fakeclaiming BP.

What role gives away a perma-BP??? Right there my spidey sense was tingling.

Also, my unusual role in this very game where I give a player BP for one night. It looked like DTM was looking for an explanation for not being NK'd night after night. Hider works too. It could explain his prolonged survival at night.

Anyway, I already explained this in more detail in an earlier post, you should read it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Jack, tl;dr. 72 pages? not a chance.

Fine by me, I reserve my right to play as I do

Never said you didn't.

Why don't you give us a simplified version of what you mean by posting that?

[Mina]

@LL: I'll admit your case is good (even without the seal) . In all honesty, since I'm also a very cautious, verbose player, I know how it feels to second-guess yourself as town and literally have no idea who to vote, so I'm probably too inclined to give Feysal the benefit of the doubt because I don't know how much of this is his playstyle. Whether I vote Feysal will depend on my thoughts on Corvuus and DRK.

@Jack:

*twitch*

Okay, that's it.

Hey guys!

VOTE: Equinox

Equinox is so scummy. My god. Her ISO is filled with obvscumness.

Then let's lynch Jack. He's scum too.

Then I dunno. tajo is probably as well. Equinox, Jack, tajo. That's the scumteam. Benmage is possibly the fourth. We should all be lynching them.

Now why don't you all sheep me, guys?

Seriously. Some of your reads obviously aren't coming out of nowhere.Those two, however, don't make much sense. And it's not the first time you've done this--for example, you FOS-ing farside and voting LLD but then not even being able to remember why. And it would both give me a better read on you AND potentially on Andrius/hitogoroshi depending on whether you can articulate your suspicions on those two slots.

If you really think Andrius and hito are scum, shouldn't you, gee, I dunno, be trying to persuade us that they're worth lynching, at least tomorrow? Because otherwise, you'll be killed and we'll never know for ourselves just what you had on them beyond gut. And then those scumbags will coast to endgame, because you'd have never shown us the light.

If you refuse to show us any of the workings in your head beyond a list of names, then prepare to get crucified for it if the names on your list make us scratch our heads.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey guys!

VOTE: Equinox

NO.

FUCK.

NO. STOP.

DON'T DO THIS SHIT MINA.

[SpyreX]

Achievement Unlocked!

Mina gets 500 points!

[Jack]

Mina, care to explain that equinox scum read?

[Nobody Special]

I would like some of whatever Mina has been smoking.

[SpyreX]

This just shows that I'm not crazy this game and I live in bizarro universe:

And, good lord why not wagon up equinox finish off the "attempt to lynch the most town players" achievement!

[Mina]

Did not one person realize that I was making a rhetorical point?

UNVOTE: Equinox

My sarcasm apparently flies waaaaaaaaay over people's heads.

[Jack]

Care to explain that unvote mina? Backpedaling under pressure?

[Mina]

Did you actually read the second part of my post?

That was a fucking parody of your playstyle this game!

My point is that you CAN'T just call players like Andrius and hitogoroshi such obvscum, and then refuse to explain why when called on it.

[DeathRowKitty]

Umm...I'll comment on the new posts when pages stop growing faster than I can comment on them. >_>

[Jack]

Yes I was joking. But I like your frustration.

My point is that you CAN'T just call players like Andrius and hitogoroshi such obvscum, and then refuse to explain why when called on it.

All evidence points to the contrary.

And hito is like 4th or 5th on my pseudo list.

I already refuted you via paper. Just accept it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Umm...I'll comment on the new posts when pages stop growing faster than I can comment on them. >_>

No need. A Feysal vote is fine too.

Mina, this applies to you as well.

[Mina]

Jack, it was hard to tell, given the other reactions my post got. <_<

Whatever. I won't get into a huge discussion about Mafia theory

and that article looks really interesting, but if I read it now, I'll never finish catching up with this game

, and I'm not exactly a paragon of Mafia hunters. But I don't get it. Do invisible leprechauns from outer space whisper the scums' names into your ear or something?

You're literally incapable of retracing your steps to remember why you found LLD, farside, hito, and Andrius scummy? Even "ISO #4 sounded insincere"?

Am I just a freak because I actually have to THINK about who's scummy?

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SpyreX, just to get back to you for a second. What exactly sold you on Feysal? Just that LLD made a nice case on him? IIRC, I don't think you'd mentioned Feysal once all game. Is there a reason you gave up pushing me, npau, and farside? Just the deadline pressure? Do you actually find Feysal more suspicious than Corvuus and DeathRowKitty?

Actually, humour me. What DO you think of Corvuus/themanhimself and DRK? What made you decide that Feysal was the best lynch of the three?

[SpyreX]

DRK, yes. Corvuus? Slightly.

Feysal's got catchup syndrome something fierce and I'd lost sight of it until it was thrust RIGHT IN THE FACE.

And tajo is right in something needs to happen, and soon.

[Jack]

Sometimes when you catch scum you are just pattern matching based on your past experience with the kind of things scum say. But that isn't very accessible, it's a kind of low level process. And when people try to explain it, they

make up

reasons and they sound convincing to themselves, even though they aren't that good--or they decide that the reason they came up with is discredited and that the person is therefore null or town.

So basically, I don't force it. Generally the dumbest things I've done have been based on reasoning when I shouldn't have. At least when gut reads are wrong they are fluid.

An example would be invi-8 where I had moi as scum all day 1 and part of day 2, but then had to put a case together, the reasons I could make up weren't that great, and I ended up doing an ISO and deciding something like "scum wouldn't have pushed a case here at this point in the game, that's not scum thinking" which stuck

solid

in my mind. He won the game as scum later...after I died so I don't know if I'd have switched back or not.

Well this turned into md anyway.

[Fishythefish]

UNVOTE: LLDVOTE: DRK

I think DRK is much scummier than Feysal here. Feysal's play fits well with someone who has never really got to grips with the game, with either alignment. LLD's points are factually accurate - Feysal hasn't committed to anything much, makes long posts, and doesn't make many posts, but I don't see that any of that makes him scum.

I'm also thinking that an LLD/DRK scumteam is hugely likely here. LLD voices suspicion of DRK here and here, but despite a great big wagon on DRK never votes him or expands on this? I can't see any motivation for that other than avoiding the wagon of a scumbuddy.

[Jack]

Feysal as town gets to grips with the game right away, even when replacing in.

You thought drk was scum in ISO 24.

Scum god voting competing wagon.

unvote, vote:Feysal

[hitogoroshi]

Jack's got a point that people will sometimes make up justifications where none exist if pressed (Don't know if you've read

The Black Swan

, Jack, but it comes with the hito seal of approval). You know as well as I do that nothing is happening to Andrius unless you back up your talk somewhere down the road, so I suppose it's not the biggest of deals that you do it now.

I'm gonna need it explained in more detail why DRK is cleared off of DTM's whateverthehellthing, because I'm not parsing the nitty gritty of his SWEETS GAMBITS, but whatever, I'll trust that DTM knows what he's doing. Not sold on Feysal-scum, but we'll probably need to eat this policy lynch sometime, and this is page motherfuckin 42 so lets get eugenic up in this bitch.

Unvote, Vote: Feysal