1119: The Might of Mordor: Game Over

[ReaperCharlie]

After rereading a lot and mucking about with ISOs, I was getting ready to hammer the imbue on VV, but want to ask Edge (RC) why AGM? He confirms his own alignment to two people, but they aren't confirmed in return. VV gets to protect three people if he's imbued (which is pretty awesome). I'll wait for your answer, but I'm happy with imbuing VV.

I asked Andrius whether Player A would show up as having targeted Player B if Player A was roleblocked by Player C and Player B was watched by Player D. He said that Player D would not see that Player A had targeted player B. So that basically clears VV of having lied about that circumstance.

However I think confirmed townies + more flips will help more than no confirmed townies + less flips, at least at this point. Do you disagree?

At this early stage in the game we are still gunning for info vs. the lives of worthless townies. Also, if those worthless townies can give us decent information by their flip, then they're doing better for town as a dead, flipped VT than as a constantly talking, no-sense-making, rather worthless unknown-role, wouldn't you agree?

Confirm or deny at your leisure.

Also, I will explain the SpyreX wagon after he flips. Just rest assured that this needs to be done, and that there will be hot chocolate and graham crackers in my secret underground lair for everyone who votes to lynch SpyreX in their very next post.

Also, AGM-imbue is for the same reasons I posted above. More info + more info is better than less info + more talking heads.

That is all for now.

[gandalf5166]

I'm three pages behind right now, but people are bullshitting that I should claim. Now, I CAN claim, but MY claim does not prove anything, and you'll all rage like "WTF ZOMGZ GANDALF WTF WUZ U TINKIN CLAIMIN AN BULLSHIT"

[gandalf5166]

Okay, I'm back and I'll be reading those three pages. Oh, and

Unimbue VV

Forgot to do that earlier.

[MasterSpy]

I read through the thread last night but was too tired to actually post …

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First things first –

Imbue: VV

Blocking multiple targets is increadibly powerful and if Edge ends up dead we can safely assume he’s lying and outed scum. Win / Win.

VOTE: HoHum

I’m disappointed Mina didn’t take care of these in her post. Aside from everything I said yesterday HoHum’s hammer after Mari has all the hallmarks of scum desperate for cred. And the following cannot be ignored.

A scum aligned mason? That means we're dealing with two scum factions?

I’d point to [REDACTED] in [REDACTED] if I could as another classic example of why this is a pure scum-claim.

I'm claiming because it's obvious that someone either had a successful protect or a roleblock last night and we should be lynching that person's target.

Translated – oops I just screwed up badly I might as well try to fish for Town PRs before I hang.

'cos I'm a greedy motherfucker? I didn't want to have to deal with her today. It was either her or fate. I contemplated vigging whoever got imbuned yesterday too because I figured scum had as much of a chance of winning an imbune as any of us did. meh.

Um what? You vigged Katy not because she was scummy but because you didn’t want to deal with suspicion? You considered vigging Fate for a personal grudge or whoever got imbued based on completely stupid statistical thinking.

I disagreed with your logic in the one game we played together but this is just so bad it’s making my head spin.

Also as far as the rest of the game is concerned, I'm almost positive that the fact that quadz was imbued last night clears him. If he were scum he should have submitted the kill. Based on the imbune mechanics that kill would have succeeded regardless of blocks/protects.

What imbue mechanics are you speaking of? The theorized but unproven notion that the Ringbearer can’t be role-blocked?

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Hohum...the fact that you didn't know Katy was town is pretty damming, I hope you realize that.

This is bad. A Town player might suspect Katy was Town via reads (as I personally did) but not knowing for certain is part of the Uninformed Minority gig. The damning part is not the vig on Katy but the reasons for such and the ‘Wow she was scum’ reaction which makes no sense if you had a Morder Role Pm

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Quadz...I think it's time to give us the details of what happened last night. Cuz like, that would be totally tubular, dude.
Especially since I think you're frantic for a reason

Why exactly should anyone be giving any Powers away when not absolutely necessary? We've already had VV claim and soft-claims by Gandalf and Quadz. AGM is already outed. Town giving a fucking roadmap to NKs is not smart.

Also please clarify what the frantic part means. Are you insinuating that Quadz might be scummy?

I'M SAYING THAT IF HOHUM IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH THEN HE COULD BE SCUM WITH PLUM,

NOT OH YES I THINK THERE ARE TWO SCUM GROUPS.
Actually, I'm ready to believe Plum, VV, MS scumteam right now. Just saying.

Hohum's probably just dumb like I was in my game before.

1. Excuse making “hohum is just dumb” noted.
2. Soft acknowledgment of hohum’s scumminess (bolded for emphasis) while refusing to actually support said lynch noted.

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What the hell is behind the VV wagon that popped up again? He may have been stupid to claim as he did but he was under little pressure.

Who the hell is on that again?

VasudeVa (4): singersigner, quadz08, hohum, gandalf5166

This is for future reference.

Also the following really makes me wonder

VasudeVa (4): Edge, SpyreX,

gandalf5166

, VasudeVa

Gandalf what the fuck are you doing imbuing and voting the same player?

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EVEN IF VV HAD BEEN ROLEBLOCKED HE WOULD STILL BE TRACKED AS HAVING TARGETED EDGE

As previously stated that’s not how things work. And why do you immediately dismiss the notion that VV could be blocked when you yourself said your role-PM pretty much indicates a scum Blocker is in the game?

[gandalf5166]

Immediate responses:

Edge: Gandalf is not RB. I know this for a fact, also because of last night.
VV: Nobody roleblocked you, and if they did, they're dumb. Nobody thought you were obvtown, and you made no hint towards having a good role yesterday, so scum's not gonna block you. Town all thought you were a VI. The roleblocker would have to be pretty thick to pick you for a target.

P-Edit:
PART OF MY SUPERPOWER IS THAT I GET TO CHOOSE ONE PLAYER TO WATCH. I CHOSE EDGE. I SAW [REDACTED NUMBER] PLAYERS VISIT EDGE. 1 OF THEM WAS GANDALF. 0 OF THEM WAS VV.

Happy now?

As to imbuing,

imbue: AGM

Same reasons as yesterday.

This post is 200% awesome and anyone still imbuing VV is mentally handicapped.

If Gandalf is a fucking protective role like he fucking softclaimed, then why THE FUCK aren't we lynching whoever else visited Edge.

There's a reason I SOFTclaimed it >.> But anyways, I know that VV can't have lost his bulletproof because if Edge had been killed, I would have stopped it, not VV. What I was going to bring up if I was ever asked to claim is that VV'S CLAIM IS OBVIOUS "OH I CANT JUST CLAIM DOC BECAUSE THERES PROBABLY A REAL DOC, BUT I CAN CLAIM THIS AND IF ANYONES LIKE 'OH THATS TWO PROTECTIVE ROLES, I CALL BS', I CAN SPOUT SOME BULLSHIT ABOUT SETUP SPECULATION"

HERE IS MY DEAL

IF WE DONT IMBUE VV, ILL VOTE FOR HOHUM AGAIN

*goes to ISO Spyrex-

You know what? NO.

DID I OR DID I NOT SINGLE-HANDEDLY FUCKING CATCH PLUM SCUM YESTERDAY?

NOW YOU FUCKING CLOWNS VOTE HOHUM, AND IMBUE VV, AND HIGH FIVES.

ALL.

THE.

FUCK.

AROUND.

Yeah, and like I said before, I still think the case on Plum was mostly shit. You really believe that scum roleblocked VV? Really?

However, I am totally down to lynch hohum. No fucking way we're imbuing VV, though. No fucking way.

MORE HIGHFIVES TO THE QUADZMAN

DAMN GOOD THING I DIDNT CONVINCE YOU GUYS NOT TO IMBUE HIM

OH HEY IW AS TALKING ABOUT WHETHER HE COULD BE ROLEBLOCKED TONIGHT AND I SAID THAT HE NEEDED THE RING SO

I, ME, MYSELF

CAN'T DIE AND HAVE VV SAY "WHOOPS RB'D AGAIN"

EDGE

HERES THE DEAL

IM ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING IMPORTANT

IF YOU IMBUE ME, YOU WILL NOT ONLY NOT DIE TONIGHT, BUT YOUR ACTION IS GAURANFUCKINGTEED TO WORK

I AM FINE WITH LETTING VV LIVE UNTIL TOMORROW

BUT BY GOD, IF WE IMBUE HIM I WILL PUNCH A GODDAMN FUCKING WALL

Imbue Gandalf

[ReaperCharlie]

Every time Mina posts I think that MasterSpy is town.
Every time Magna posts, I think/know they're scum.

[gandalf5166]

Every time Mina posts I think that MasterSpy is town.
Every time Magna posts, I think/know they're scum.

BULLSHIT

COMMENT ON MY LAST POST GODDAMMIT

AT LEAST UNIMBUE FUCKING VV

[AlmasterGM]

MasterSpy is town. Even the Magna half.

gandalf damn son you want that ring baaad.

[quadz08]

Gandalf, today you make me happy. I like this. However, I must point out: why is it so gorram important that Edge stays alive? I promise, town will function without him. Really.

Problems with the plan for 'confirming' VV (i.e., have him protect edge with his superpower):

1: Scumteam (which may or may not include VV) could target somebody who's not Edge. Durrrrr.
2: Scumteam (which includes VV) could no-kill, leading to the town thinking he's conf. town.
3: VV can STILL PROTECT EDGE WITHOUT THE RING, so imbuing is completely unnecessary anyway. I think Singer said this earlier, but nobody said anything.

Overall, imbuing VV is both pointless AND stupid.

[Edge]

EVISCERATE AWAY REAPER.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: HOHUM

IMBUE: VV

1. AGMTOWN IS GOING TO BE UNPROTECTED BY MY NIGHT ACTIONS PLAN. THIS MEANS EITHER SCUM KILL HIM KNOWING HE CAN CONFIRM HIMSELF OR LEAVE HIM ALIVE AND KILL OF A MISLYNCH TARGET

2. ME BEING ALIVED > CONFIRMING AGM

3. WITH GANDALF CLAIMING PROTECTION ROLE, WE CAN GUARANTEE THAT EITHER VVSCUM IS STUCK IN HIS CLAIM, OR THAT VVTOWN DIES IN TWO PHASES.


TONIGHT GANDALF WILL PROTECT ME, JUST CUZ, AND VV WIL BE IMBUED AND PROTECT:

ME

GANDALF

AND QUADZ

NOW NO THREE OF US CAN DIE TONIGHT WITHOUT VVSCUM BEING OUTED. IF VV IS TOWN, WHICH HE IS

SCUM HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO SHOOT AT HIM AND ELIMINATE HIS BULLETPROOF

THIS IS BECAUSE, TOMORROW:

VV GETS IMBUED

AGAIN

EDGE AND GANDALF ARE GUARANTEED TO LIVE THROUGH THE NIGHT

AGAIN

VV DIES BECAUSE HIS BP WAS ALREADY USED UP. IF VV DOESNT DIE? WELL I HAVE A SECRET WAY TO FIX THAT BUT IT REQUIRES ME+MASON+OTHER CONFIRMEDS SURVIVING UNTIL LYLO AND BEING ABLE TO VOTE OFF BY POE.

NO SCUMHUNTIN NEEDED.

[Edge]

QUADZ SHUT THE FUCK UP. ARE YOU A SCUMBLOCKER?

IF VV PROTECTS ME TONIGHT HE WILL BE RBD IF NOT IMBUED.

COURSE GANDALF WILL ALSO BE PROTECTING ME, AKA GANDALF WILL BE SHOT.

I DONT WANT GANDALF DEAD.

IMBUING VV ALLOWS MULTIPLE PEOPLE TO BE GUARANTEED THROUGH THE NIGHT, AND IF ANY OF THEM DIE VV IS AUTOLYNCHED. NO "DERP RBD" NECESSARY.

GET THAT THROUGH YOU FUCKIN SKULL

[Edge]

Gandalf, today you make me happy. I like this. However, I must point out: why is it so gorram important that Edge stays alive? I promise, town will function without him. Really.

Problems with the plan for 'confirming' VV (i.e., have him protect edge with his superpower):

1: Scumteam (which may or may not include VV) could target somebody who's not Edge. Durrrrr.
2: Scumteam (which includes VV) could no-kill, leading to the town thinking he's conf. town.
3: VV can STILL PROTECT EDGE WITHOUT THE RING, so imbuing is completely unnecessary anyway. I think Singer said this earlier, but nobody said anything.

Overall, imbuing VV is both pointless AND stupid.

1. SO THEY KILL SOMEONE WHOS A SUSPECT AND NOT OBVTOWN? COOLRRRRRRRRR
2. SO THEY NOKILL AND WE GET MORE LYNCHES? SWETRRRRRRR
3. IF HE GETS RBD THEN HERP DERP THAT MEANS NOTHING AND I/GANDALF DIE TONIGHT. DURRR

[quadz08]

...

Dammit. Seriously. Quit it with the being right thing.

I am ok with this plan, though I'd like to hear input from the rest of the town before I change my vote/imbuevote. I'm pretty sure one more imbuevote is the hammer, though I'm not positive, and I don't feel like going back to check.

Mod: Votecount plz?

[Andrius]

Day Two, Lynch-Count Four

VasudeVa (4): singersigner, quadz08, hohum, gandalf5166,
hohum (4): AlmasterGM, SpyreX, MasterSpy, Edge

Not Voting (2): Sevei, VasudeVa

Day Two, Imbue-Count Four

VasudeVa (5): SpyreX, VasudeVa, AlmasterGM, MasterSpy, Edge
gandalf5166 (2): singersigner, gandalf5166
AlmasterGM (1): quadz08

Not Voting (2): hohum, Sevei

Notices

With 10 alive it takes 6 to Lynch and/or Imbue.
Deadline is set at Saturday, February 26th, at 2:00pm PST.

[ReaperCharlie]

ggggggggaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........................

*eviscerates Fate*

[Fate]

NO U.

YOU KNOW ITS MORE IMPORTANT FOR US TO LIVE REAPER. READ THE DAMN ROLE PM AGAIN

[Andrius]

*AHEM*

Fate and ReaperCharlie need to post in their hydra account. Its past old. I've been contacted by players regarding this, and they'd appreciate it if you posted in-hydra.

I don't think I need to threaten you to cooperate, but that can be arranged.

[Fate]

HAS IT BEEN PAST 20 POSTS SINCE YOU MOD CONFIRMED ME AS NOT BEING PLUM'S SCUMBUDDY BY SAYING WE WERE 100% OFF-TOPIC?

NO?

THEN SHUT YOUR FACE AND GO WRITE MOD SCENES.

[SpyreX]

Jesus.

FATE YOU BETTER GET YOUR HYDRA IN CHECK

Because, STILL ALWAYS AND FOREVER Hohum needs rope. VV IS STILL THE RIGHT IMBUE AND WE DO NOT NEED DIAGRAMS EXPLAINING THIS.

[Edge]

APPARENTLY WE DO NEED DIAGRAMS.

WE ALMOST NEED A FRIGGING MASSCLAIM AT THIS POINT SO WE CAN BREAK ANDRIUS' POORLY DESIGNED "LOLNOVTS" SETUP

[AlmasterGM]

WE ALMOST NEED A FRIGGING MASSCLAIM AT THIS POINT SO WE CAN BREAK ANDRIUS' POORLY DESIGNED "LOLNOVTS" SETUP

I actually thought this could be a possibility, so I did a little digging:

Hey so I'd like a couple (1-2) reviewers to look over the Lord of the Rings mini theme I plan on running soon.
(Note: Its sort of a sequel to the large Plum and I ran, so it doesn't exactly follow a set film/novel.)
Flavor knowledge isn't necessary, BTW.

edit: Ok cool I have 3 people. I think that's good.
Thanks to Kit, Reck, and Empking (or his alt's alt?)

Meh. Empking is pretty on top of his shit, so probably not gonna happen. Unfortunate.

[gandalf5166]

OH MY SHIT

EDGE, I MUST PRAISE YOUR MASTER PLAN

Unimbue
Imbue VV
Unvote
VOTE: HOHUM

[ReaperCharlie]

Sh*t. Sorry Andrius, I will try to post in the hydra from now on.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh, sh*t. Sorry again.

[ReaperCharlie]

Sh*t.