Open 276- Friends and Enemies Mafia (OVER)

[Hoopla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fate

[AlmasterGM]

Its how I get reads <3

Andrius claimed scum awhile back, remember? I just got side tracked by you post reading weird.

Let's get back on track

It's too late for buddying.

I'm not disagreeing with Empking-scum, but I am much more confidant of my read on you.

[Nachomamma8]

AGM.

Am I town?

[AlmasterGM]

Hmm.

How many games have you played with Hoopla before this one (and if you have them handy, the game titles)?

[Nachomamma8]

The Hoopla policy was a complete and utter load of bullshit.

Fate and I were hoping to draw scum together this game so we could mess with Hoopla's wagon analysis, but that didn't happen. And since I had to find some way of messing with Hoopla, so I attempted to policy lynch her.

[Nachomamma8]

But, if you're still interested...

Nice N' Fun Mafia
and then the one she linked where I self-hammered as town.

[Hoopla]

The Hoopla policy was a complete and utter load of bullshit.

Fate and I were hoping to draw scum together this game so we could mess with Hoopla's wagon analysis, but that didn't happen. And since I had to find some way of messing with Hoopla, so I attempted to policy lynch her.

Why did you have to find some way of messing with me if you were town?

[Nachomamma8]

Because the point of joining this game was to mess with you, Hoopla.

And I thought pushing a policy lynch on a non-VI playerr would be an interesting way to get out of RVS.

[Hoopla]

Because the point of joining this game was to mess with you, Hoopla.

I think that's really lame.

[Nachomamma8]

I thought you'd be flattered.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nothing flattering about that Nachomamma, just a waste of time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Enough of this hogwash. We put Empking at L-1, nobody posted for 3 days, then Fate and AGM spammed the thread in caps, and we haven't discovered anything except how annoying it can be when players spam the thread in caps, so.......I think it's time to discover what Empking's alignment is.

[Hoopla]

Enough of this hogwash. We put Empking at L-1, nobody posted for 3 days, then Fate and AGM spammed the thread in caps, and we haven't discovered anything except how annoying it can be when players spam the thread in caps, so.......I think it's time to discover what Empking's alignment is.

No it isn't. He's town, and those on his wagon are wrong or scum. Vote for Fate.

[Nachomamma8]

Come now, Hoopla. Making definitive statements such as those are just going to open you up to ridicule tomorrow when empking scum flips.

[Fate]

Its hilarious how scummy Hoopla is.

[Fate]

thank god fate scared me for a second there

I'm fucking bored. Anything to spice things up.


I mean THIS is why we're losing the game:

Not Voting andrew95, Nobobdy Special, Newbie2010, Flinter

Deadline is Wednesday, February 21st at 9:00 pm EST[/color]

Side-Funsies-note:

Votecount the Second (2.0)

Empking (4)

: Debonair Danny DiPietro, Nachomamma8, Albert B. Rampage, Fate

flinter (0):
Nobody Special (0):
Almaster GM (1):

Empking

Fate (1): AlmasterGM,

Hoopla

Not Voting andrew95, Nobobdy Special, Newbie2010, Flinter

With

11

alive it takes

6

to Lynch.

Mod Notes:
The last two pages hurt my eyes...
Prodding Hoopla, Newbie2010, Nobody Special, and flinter

Deadline is Wednesday, February 21st at 9:00 pm EST

Isn't that beautiful.

There's no reason we shouldn't be able to lynch scum just because they refuse to bus

[Nachomamma8]

I'm pretty sure andrew is scum too...

[Fate]

I basically declared AGM was townier than Empking,

aka town on town

when I went back to voting EMpKing.

Oh no you don't. You do not get to call this "town on town" after you just spent 2 full pages yelling that I was scum. Especially when Empking didn't do anything during the 15 minute interlay other than not post.

I demand blood.

Its how I get reads <3

Andrius claimed scum awhile back, remember? I just got side tracked by you post reading weird.

Let's get back on track

It's too late for buddying.

I'm not disagreeing with Empking-scum, but I am much more confidant of my read on you.

HOWEVER I HAVE MY HONOR TO OBTAIN. TOOG MUST DIE OR BACK DOWN FIRST BEFORE I CAN LUNGE.

All yours. I concede that you aren't what I thought you were at the start of DEFCON 3.

Unvote

If we both survive this day, promise me we won't be making out on the next day phase? I don't want you cooties or nothing.

NOT SO FAST, BATMAN!

Damn it I couldn't find a video link for it...so...
HEHHEHAHHAAAAAAAA

OWNED TOOG. OWNED.


LET ME POINT IT OUT NICE AND SHINY SO EVERYONE CAN SEE WHAT JUST HAPPENED:

TOOG AND ME THROW DOWN. CHESSKID SCUMS IT UP, SO I SAY "WELL HOT DAMN I SORTA WANNA KILL CHESSKID NOW. BUT I STILL GOTTA FINISH THIS DUEL!"

TOOG: "OK! PROMISE YOU WONT LYNCH ME TOMORROW OR ANY OTHER DAY? I NO LONGER THINK YOURE SCUM!!!!!!!"
WHAT THE FUCK?

WHAT HAPPENED?

WHERE DID HIS SCUM READ OF ME GO? LEMME GO FUCKIN FIND IT:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p2678384

A FULL SEVEN PAGES AGO, AND

TWENTY-FUCKING-THREE ISO POSTS AGO

WAS THE LAST TIME PANDA MADE A POST ACTIVELY CALLING ME OUT FOR SOMWETHING HE THOUGHT WAS SCUMMY, REGARDLESS OF HOW PERCY DESTROYED THAT POST ANYWAY, IT JUST GOES TO SHOW YA.

THERE'S MORE:
HERE HE VOTES ME AND SAYS ONE OF US DOESN'T LEAVE THE DEATH PIT, FULLY CONFIDENT "no one will sheep insane fate. town has lost their minds if they wagon me" FULLY CONFIDENT HE'LL SURVIVE.

HE DOESN'T THINK I'M SCUM AT THIS POINT, EVIDENCED BY:

THE NEXT OF HIS ISO POSTS, 132-138 WHERE HE DOESN'T TRY TO GET THE OTHER PERSON IN THE DEATH MATCH LYNCHED: ME, BUT INSTEAD FILLS IT WITH FENCESITTING "WELL FATE MAY VERY WELL BE TOWN AND WE'RE JUST YELLING WHILE LURKERS LURK SOMEOPNE END THIS" CULIMNATING WITH A FINAL UNVOTE.

AND WHAT ABOUT THAT UNVOTE YOU SAY? IT

REEKS SCUM

BECAUSE THAT'S ALL IT IS. A FUCKING

UN

VOTE.

NO, REVOTE. NO "ok now bunnylover gets death" OR "ok now chesskid gets death" OR "ok now NEW SUSPECT! gets death."

JUST A "ok death match over you win plz be gentle and don't give me STDs use protection"

LOL BAKU. LOL. HOW YOUR SCUMGAME HAS FALLEN. I AT LEAST EXPECTED A BABY SPICE VOTE.

BUT NO, YOU HAD TO GO AND CLAIM SCUM.

AND BEFORE YOU "here we go again with more "baku didnt do what i expect, therefore hes scum bs cases" NO. ITS NOT ABOUT WHAT I EXPECT, ITS ABOUT TOWN UNVOTING AND NOT GOING A NEW DIRECTION? HELL FUCKIN NO. YOURE SCUM THROUGH AND THROUGH

AND YOU DIE TODAY. KITOARI PUT THAT FUCKIN VOTE BACK ON

CHESSKID IS SCUM THE WAY HES DANCED AROUND TOOG'S WAGON AND RETROJUSTIFIED ALL HIS FUCKIN HOPS, AND SMACKED HIM RIGHT DAB IN 50% PERFECT BUS OR SAVE LAND. BUT HES FOR TOMORROW.

PANDA'S FOR TODAY.



I'LL GIVE YOU CREDIT, YOU POKED THE ROTWEILER WITH A STICK, BUT THEN THE VOTES PILED ON AND THEY GOT PRETTY HIGH AND YOU WERE LIKE

"OH SHIT, THEYRE REALLY GONNA FUCKIN LYNCH ME!?"

THEN YOU CRACKED, LIKE A DAMN EGG.

AND NOW.

I'M GOING.

TO.

FRY.

YOU.

Lol AGM is acting like me-scum. >_>

AGM get over yourself, you don't know my scum meta for shit, and besides this is a SINGLE SCUMTEAM OPEN SETUP GAME. I'm undefeated in these set-ups as scum, whereas with two scumteams my play is drastically different and winning is really hard.

You yourself are only CONFIRMING my opinion that your Andrius vote was over-justified. I thought there was NO FUCKIN WAY HES TOWN, but now youre more confident in a scumread on me? Well prepare to turn in your scumhunting card at game's end, bucko.

[Hoopla]

I basically declared AGM was townier than Empking, aka town on town when I went back to voting EMpKing.

This is Fate's initial excuse for why he declared himself/AGM as town/town, which is a load of rubbish. He knows this too once I call him out on it, so he changes his stance to this;

Its how I get reads <3

Andrius claimed scum awhile back, remember? I just got side tracked by you post reading weird.

Let's get back on track

thank god fate scared me for a second there

I'm fucking bored. Anything to spice things up.

If these were his intentions all along, he'd have spoke up about it earlier - either when declaring a town/town read or the follow up post (first quote) where I questioned him about it. He's tweaked his story to pass it off as generating reads, but it's obvious to me, this isn't a Fate-ploy to generate reads - Fate isn't that good of an actor, his argument was real. These last two quotes are Fate's attempts to cover his tracks - those tracks being a poor attack and botched explanation for his motives. They are extremely forced and umprompted, which suggest he is a little worried that he might be seen as scummy and wants to make sure the town KNOWS these were his motives all along.

"Forget all the silly other stuff! THESE ARE MY REAL REASONS!"

Hey, they're not, though. You're overcompensating and look super unnatural doing it. The fact that AGM is so obviously town makes Fate look even worse. This is one of the few times I've genuinely had a scumread on Fate, and I think I am right.

Vote for Fate.

[Fate]

If the argument was real how can you call me scum?

It was. And I did see something wrong with AGM's posts. But when he finally moved his vote over it DID appease me, because there's no way he (as scum) would want to push a Fate mislynch over an Empking one. So I said "mehhhh this doesn't feel right anymore, back to EmpkingObvscum"

But you're scum, so your answers won't satisfy me.

You can try though.

[Fate]

Also those quotes show a single train of thought:

"I thought AGM was townier than Empking so I moved back"

"I got my read on AGM by arguing with him, and ended up moving back"

"I was bored so I decided to take something that AGM said that was off and run with it, to find out his alignment"


Vote for Empking.

Then Hoopla.

Then andrew (apparently, taking nacho's word for it)

[Hoopla]

The argument could easily have been town/town or town/scum. It's in scum's interest to take advantage of situations that could be interpreted as scummy, which is what you could have done then. You could have also seen this as town, like you suggest. Both of these are real arguments, and you're not scummy for having a real argument.

What makes you scum is the way you tried to present your motives after the argument, which was obviously false and misleading. You were trying to downplay my questioning of you declaring a town/town duo, by pretending you were doing it just for the reads. I don't think that is true.

[Fate]

I was it just doing it "for reads" I was doing it because I THOUGHT AGM WAS SCUM and proceeded to argue with him until that read CHANGED due to SAID ARGUEMENT.

SO yeah I'm summarizing the argument as: "I did it and got a read"

So sure, I may have misspoke.

[Hoopla]

I was it just doing it "for reads" I was doing it because I THOUGHT AGM WAS SCUM and proceeded to argue with him until that read CHANGED due to SAID ARGUEMENT.

SO yeah I'm summarizing the argument as: "I did it and got a read"

So sure, I may have misspoke.

Okay, so why didn't you declare that AGM was town when you switched to Empking? Presumably that was the point in time when you got that "read", right?

[Fate]

It was IMPLIED.

But I had been mulling over the read ever since before I was getting ready to leave. Empking browsing the forum is what tipped it, because I KNEW he wouldn't post until I had called him out.

And if you notice in the very post above it I say "QUICKLY BEFORE I GO" I was running late to meet someone, and I DON"T have time "suprise surprise" to post all of my thoughts and motives with each post I make.

BUT

The vote tells you all you need to know.
+
The lack of calling them scumbuddies.

SINCE I HAD SAID THE BASIS OF MY CASE WAS FOUNDED IN EMPKINGS "TOWN" FLIP, then me going back to VOTING EMPKING, aka ME THINKING EMPKING IS SCUM, shows that I no longer think MY OWN CASE WAS VALID.

Jesus. Hoopla you keep on stretchin stretchin but you should KNOW by now you can't push a mislynch on me.