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MacavityLock Impin' Ain't Easy
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charter (0) -
The Fonz (0) -
MagnaofIllusion (0) -
Jahudo (0) -
Haschel Cedricson (0) -
Talitha (0) -
Untrod Tripod (0) -
Kmd4390 (0) -
MacavityLock (0) -
Not Voting (9) - charter, The Fonz, MagnaofIllusion, Jahudo, Haschel Cedricson, Talitha, Untrod Tripod, Kmd4390, MacavityLock
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Talitha Dr. Dead
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The Fonz Jack of All Trades
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charter Beware of Dog
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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MagnaofIllusion has been killed Night 1
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Kmd4390 I lost a bet.
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Haschel Cedricson Mr. Know It All
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Untrod Tripod Fat and Sassy
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Haschel Cedricson Mr. Know It All
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I know there are no nights, but I get the result at the end of the day, so that seemed like the easiest way to phrase it.Untrod Tripod wrote:
There are no nights.Haschel Cedricson wrote:Newman, weak cop. Each night I can check if somebody is Jerry or not. LMP, UT, and Jahudo are not Jerry.
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That is not at all the same thing.Haschel Cedricson wrote:
I know there are no nights, but I get the result at the end of the day, so that seemed like the easiest way to phrase it.Untrod Tripod wrote:
There are no nights.Haschel Cedricson wrote:Newman, weak cop. Each night I can check if somebody is Jerry or not. LMP, UT, and Jahudo are not Jerry.
Jahudo next.-
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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HC you are not Newman. I counter claim you.
I am Newman, Weak Tracker. As a mailman (he's not a cop) I can find out if someone is not at home, but I don't know where they are. Its a rest of day ability.
@ HC and other power roles: If you really are power roles you should have your ability described by name. How is it formatted and what does it say?
WHY HC IS LYING SCUM:
-HC and I claim to have the same character name.
-HC claims he is a cop, I claim I am a tracker with a mailman flavor in my role PM. Newman is a mailman on the TV show, not a cop.
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I don't have any results from my power though. BV targeted nobody day 1, I targeted KMD day 2 (either no result or I was blocked, mod doesn't separate it), and day 3 ended before I sent in a target because I thought I was going to be the hammer
I'm voting HC after massclaim. This is a little weird in that it presumes scum don't have fakeclaims, or limited fakeclaims. I don't know what to make of that?
But at the moment this massclaim does apparently help our chances today so I'm sorry Magna. You were right.
Magna is the last one yet to claim, so he's next.-
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Just as a warning, you may not quote role PMs, and I consider giving detailed information about role PM formatting to be equivalent to quoting. You may paraphrase flavor and abilities, but you can't say stuff like "I have a hyphen between my ability name and description", or "The first sentence of my ability description contains X words", etc.Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Mafia - 17-player large theme, currently needs (0) replacements-
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MagnaofIllusion has been killed Night 1
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I was going to ask Untrod and Haschel to provide some clarification about their claims, but given that we have a 1 to 1 situation I’m not going to bother.Jahudo wrote:Magna is the last one yet to claim, so he's next.
I am Joe Davola, Watcher. As a crazy ass stalker I’m very adept at keeping my eye on people. My ability name isREDACTED DUE TO KDUB’S WARNING.
My breadcrumb revolving around my role, emphasis added –
Day 1 I chose to watch LMP. If he was Town he’d be a likely target IMO. I sent in my choice in the immediately upon getting my role PM so it was active all Day long.MoI ISO 1 wrote:I must beCrazyto be seeing this.Watchme flip out right here.
My breadcrumb for this watch was –
Someone actually commented on this when I originally made it. I forget who it was.MoI ISO 3 wrote:I’m watching you closely Mr. Lannister … but not as closely as LMP.
Day 2 I chose to watch KMD. He was a strong Town read for me so I wanted to be hopefully catch a Scum action or NK on him. I also asked the Mod if my ability would actually see a Nightkill. His response was phrased in such a way that at this point I began to seriously doubt scum would have a Nightkill.
My breadcrumb for Day 2 was, emphasis added –
Day 3 I chose to watch Charter. Given there were no Nightkills I thought he might be an investigation target and I might be able to confirm to another Town player if it came to that. At this stage I was thinking there were no other active abilities and I was pointless wasting my time actually doing watches. I stopped breadcrumbing.MoI ISO 46 wrote:But you don’t bother to say anything about what he did say. You just sluffed it off. It’s comments like this thatmake me have my eye on you.
Day 4 I chose to watch Fonz. For similar reasons to Charter Day 3.
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Now that the mass claim is done I’m pretty much going to vote for Haschel. Even without the counterclaim (which makes more sense from a flavour standpoint) he claimed to have checked LMP Day 1 based on the list he provided. I received no information that anyone used an ability on LMP.
Before we string him up I’d like to confirm that Untrod and Jahudo have active abilities and get some other information out in the open.
@EVERYONE – PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR HASCHEL UNTIL WE GET SOME THINGS PREPARED FOR DAY 5.
@Untrod and Jahudo– Please each of you target Fonz with your ability (either in Untrod’s case). That should make me able to confirm you acted on Fonz.
@Mac– Now is the time for you to put whatever ‘meta’ you were talking about Day 1 out on the table.
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Other comments based on previous statements made before the mass-claim –
It’s clearly not twisting. Please stop throwing Wiki-tells at me in hopes it will make your argument seem stronger.Tal wrote:Again Magna, you are conveniently twisting the facts for your own scummy purposes. Please explain what is scummier about being on LMP TOWN (Day 2) and Katsuki TOWN (Day 3) than being on Katsuki TOWN (Day 2) and Katsuki TOWN (Day 3). BOTH are town wagons for day 2 and 3. And yet UT and I somehow bear more scrutiny than say, uh, YOU. WHY? Because they were successful?
It’s worse to be on two separate Town Wagons that resulted in lynches (LMP and Kats) than being on Kats both days for obvious reasons. That you are asking me shows me how desperate you are.
1. It’s much more believeable that someone had a scum-read on Kats Day 2 and Day 3 and pushed it both days as Town than someone who flipped back and forth between both wagons on Day 2 and was on both wagons Day 2 and Day 3 that resulted in mislynches as Town.
2. Yes, again, you bear more scrutiny (as does UT) for being on THREE successful mislynches. Any WIFOM arguments that “Scum wouldn’t do that” are summarily noted. In a game with no Scum automatic Nightkill (if anything that they might get a kill if one of the gang of 4 is lynched) wagonning mislynches is much more important for scum.
If you aren’t willing to support your opinion with demonstrated examples of such behavior when saying “Scum are much more likely to do this than Town” then your opinion isn’t really worth much beyond the credibility you have already built. Which at this point is very small.Tal wrote:As for the Jahudo thing, it is my opinion based on my experience. Asking me to spend my time gathering evidence and links is only worthwhile if there is a likelihood Jahudo may be lynched because of thius. So far I think you're the only one who finds it overly susoicious."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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MagnaofIllusion has been killed Night 1
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MacavityLock Impin' Ain't Easy
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Yes, Magna, yes it is.MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Mac– Now is the time for you to put whatever ‘meta’ you were talking about Day 1 out on the table.
Based on your welcoming me to Vandalay Industries in the Queue thread, I knew that you had a good background knowledge of Seinfeld. Therefore, from iso 1 and the capitalized "Crazy", I was 100% aware that you were breadcrumbing Crazy Joe Davola. To me, Joe Davola was going to be either SK, Vig, or Vanilla. Now, I know that you've breadcrumbed your fake-claim before as scum, and specifically breadcrumbed aMacavityLock wrote:As for the Magna-meta thing, yes, there was something in his first 3 posts that tipped me.vanillafake-claim. See ACoK. So, all Day 1, I was pushing you towards a claim. Yes, I was role-fishing. I would have accepted Davola, Vig, but would have kept my eye out for SK leanings. If you claimed Davola, Vanilla or any name other than Davola, I probably would be back on you. As I previously stated,MacavityLock wrote:LMP, why breadcrumb a vanilla role?
and this was in direct reference to you, Magna.MacavityLock wrote:
Yeah, that's where I was coming from.MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Because most people crumb is to have evidence to point back to in the event they, as a PR, need to claim. A VT claim is pointless as it doesn’t support anything.LMP wrote:@Mac: Why not? Especially when it comes at no cost?
refers toMacavityLock wrote:However, meta-wise there's been something his most recent 3 posts that has kind of tipped me the other way.
I thought this was a vig soft-claim from Magna, which fit together nicely with my Davola, Vig theory, so I backed off.MagnaofIllusion wrote:Furthermore why should Tally be the hypothetical Vig target if she isn’t at the top of your ranked scum?
Now with your Watcher claim, I'm kind of non-plussed. It probably fits with Davola just as well as Vig does, as well as the other legitimate crumbs, so I think I'm okay with it.
I need to re-read all claims and stuff anyway. It does look like we have a 1-v-1, so that's nice. And given that Magna isalsocountering Haschel, it looks like we've got some pretty good ties. I'm pretty well leaning towards Haschel to vote. (We should also be aware that Haschel being scum does not preclude Jahudo or Magna from also being scum. I don't know if it's likely, but it's not a "one xor the other" case.)
Jahudo and charter, your direct opinions of each other based on Neighbor talk?Yes, my fake claim is Innocent Aligned with the Town win condition as per the mod's first post.-
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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I forgot that I am already tracking UT. I remember sending it at the beginning of the day after being mad about missing yesterday's action. But at least I can be a second source about UT using a power today.
My ability is calledMail Route.
@MacLock: At what point did you think scum wouldn't have kills? Wouldn't that have made SK an unlikely role, or essentially a survivor?
In the QT charter asked me about Tally and Katsuki specifically, when I was focused on LMP and Mac. It seemed like an innocent enough question because it came a few days after charter made post 309 talking about their actions in relation to LMP. I don't think charter-scum would try and back me down from the LMP-town like that, but that would mean more by first knowing Talitha's alignment. And I thought he looked pro-town before being neighborized by him, so I continue to think he's town now.-
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MacavityLock Impin' Ain't Easy
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My crusade against Magna ended before Day 1 did. Therefore, during my meta attacks on him, I had no knowledge of what any night-kills would look like.Jahudo wrote:@MacLock: At what point did you think scum wouldn't have kills? Wouldn't that have made SK an unlikely role, or essentially a survivor?Yes, my fake claim is Innocent Aligned with the Town win condition as per the mod's first post.-
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MacavityLock Impin' Ain't Easy
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The Fonz Jack of All Trades
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Something isn't adding up here. There are no other counters, so either we've got a scumgroup who know a ton about Seinfeld AND got very lucky, or scum got fakeclaims and Newman wasn't one. In which case, why on Earth would you claim Newman as scum? It basically guarantees a counterclaim. I smell weird gambit, though what exactly I haven't a clue.-
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MacavityLock Impin' Ain't Easy
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Fonz, I pretty much agree with you. I'm thinking there's a solid chance that Jahudo-scum saw his scum-buddy Haschel floundering and decided to try to counter-claim to get himself semi-confirmed. This is why I said
I'm going to try to map together all the possibilities around the claim to see what we've got.MacavityLock wrote:(We should also be aware that Haschel being scum does not preclude Jahudo or Magna from also being scum. I don't know if it's likely, but it's not a "one xor the other" case.)Yes, my fake claim is Innocent Aligned with the Town win condition as per the mod's first post.
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