Mini 1113 - Brotherhood of the Wolf Mafia

[Katsuki]

Vote: UK

Oh wait nice unvote by Mari there. Probably scum getting off wagon early.

Unvote, Vote: Mari

UK is probably town if Mari is scum.

[Katsuki]

vote:kat

for being one of the last 3 to confirm (interesting...).

More importantly, what does this say about me?

[Katsuki]

Ok scratch that, Mari and UK are probably buddies.

[Katsuki]

How is four votes on pg1 ridiculous anyways?

[Katsuki]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 23&t=15776

We caught scum. Page one.
We then lynched scum lovers from RVS wagon analysis. And caught the entire scumteam D1.

[Katsuki]

Comments on this game either late tonight or tomorrow.

Won't be active this week, too many assignments/essays.

[Katsuki]

Oh that reminds me.

Disclaimer: No flavor knowledge

[Katsuki]

Aloha folks. So, now that we are out of RVS, I do believe that VOTE: Katsuki is the play here. I do not like that a fluke was brought up as a legitimate reason to RVS wagon all the way to a lynch. This is not that game.

Can you elaborate on this, please? I read this post several times, but it makes my head hurt.

There isn't much to elaborate on. Katsuki attempted to defend carrying an RVS wagon all the way through to a lynch simply because it worked once before, in what I am calling a fluke. And to use the fact that someone else doesn't think that's a good idea to try to gain momentum for their lynch? If Katsuki honestly believes that is good town playing, they are either playing horrible townie, or they're scum. I'm leaning on the latter.

Katsuki voted Mariyta for unvoting (and I understand why someone might find that a scumtell in the early game, although more on Mariyta and Kat in my next post). The link was obviously just saying, "Ha ha! It

is

possible to catch scum in the RVS!" Where does he advocate pushing an RVS wagon "all the way to a lynch?" I thought the link was just him saying that it's possible to catch scum in the RVS. It comes across as though you skimmed and don't fully understand the reasoning behind the Katsuki wagon.

I do not need to understand the reasoning behind the wagon on Katsuki. I simply need to understand why I myself find Kat scummy. I've stated how I saw the link coming across. He advocated pushing an RVS wagon through to lynching as a good thing by providing the link.

This is complete and utter misrep. Where have I advocated pushing a RVS wagon anywhere? For starters, I never was a part of a RVS wagon, which makes your argument all the more ridiculous.

I like this twisting though. Especially coupled with YOUR hop onto my wagon.

Unvote, Vote: GW

[Katsuki]

No. As I state again, where did I advocate pushing a RVS wagon through to a lynch anywhere?

[Katsuki]

No.
Read the argument. Mari's reasoning for unvoting was because she thought 4 votes were ridiculous for a RVS wagon.
The link was merely to disprove her reasoning.

You however felt it was fun to turn it into a KAT WANTS RVS WAGON LYNCHES GOGOGO
Not to mention as I said earlier, your hop.

[Katsuki]

Erg I have no time to read through this game until Wednesday.

[Katsuki]

So my life currently sucks in terms of sheer volume of stuff, and won't be active until after Friday. I've managed to somewhat catch up to page 10 though, and some thoughts:

- Not sure what to think of reck claim then RQ. That's not the reck I'm used to, though if they claim RL reasons, I'm not holding it against him. The whole sequence was odd though.

- As much as I want to blow his brains out, cooldog is probably town this game. Which makes me question reck-push on cooldog, despite Fate's mafia (and in all fairness, cooldog was screaming scum that game). I have never played with town-cooldog before, but his play is much different from all the other times I have played with him.

- Need to read AGM --> Reck RQ, and AGM/SC
- Need to look at reckamonic wagon, and re-read reck posting prior to rq.

Request to all: Please keep the walls down. Thanks.

Love, Kat~

[Katsuki]

In short, I didn't really get a chance to read anything in depth. Just mainly posted the things that stuck out to me.

[Katsuki]

I'm unimpressed with the CoolDog wagon. With all due respect he seems like a complete and utter moron. But not necessarily moronic scum.

What do you think of the players on the CoolDog wagon?

[Katsuki]

I'd love a brief explanation from all those voting cooldog as to why they think he's scum. It'll help keep me from falling behind.

[Katsuki]

Skimmed up to page 14 (kinda glanced over this page).

AT LEAST I FOUND SOME SCUMZ DURING MY CATCH UP.

UNVOTE, VOTE: AGM

[Katsuki]

I would be down with a CooLDoG lynch.

"Ooo Cooldog looks like a yummy yummy possible wagon, but I don't wanna look scummy though. Let's test the water"

I would be down with a CooLDoG lynch.

I'm starting to lean this way, too. He keeps posting, but doesn't really say too much.

/support

Unvote. Vote: CooLDoG

WHEEEEEEEEEE

AHOY!
Unvote and VOTE: CooLDoG

Completely ignores the last point of the CD's reasoning for voting reckdra, focused on strawmanning the worser reasons.

P-EDIT: NO U

[Katsuki]

There were other AGM posts but I'm too tired to go and dig them out at the moment.

[Katsuki]

Ain't gonna help ya.

[Katsuki]

Hmm. Actually....

There were other AGM posts but I'm too tired to go and dig them out at the moment.

Katsuki, since you've contributed zero this game, you have twenty-four hours to dig these posts out.

If you're gonna vote me, just do so.

Your Zang vote is pretty much one of those little irrelevant "I'mma vote X, but ready to switch to Y".

[Katsuki]

If you feel good about CD there is much wrong with your scumdar.

[Katsuki]

...Katsuki, I said

better

, but are you saying you find CooLDoG scummy? Would you consider voting for him?

I misread. I thought you said good about lynching him.

[Katsuki]

...goddamn it.

My next post was going to be to utterly CRUCIFY you with this:

As much as I want to blow his brains out, cooldog is probably town this game. Which makes me question reck-push on cooldog, despite Fate's mafia (and in all fairness, cooldog was screaming scum that game). I have never played with town-cooldog before, but his play is much different from all the other times I have played with him.

But I guess that would have been too easy.

Oh come now, I'm not THAT bad at this game.

MOI thinks that I should stick to Etch-a-Sketch though.

That's only when you cry about reading long posts being a hardship.

[Katsuki]

EBWOP2: although yes, I remember that Katsuki said he was leaning town on him, but he didn't sound very confident. His reasons for suspecting CD were a gut feeling based on partial meta. Telling someone you "need to get your scumdar checked" for suspecting CD seems off given Katsuki's detachment from the thread.

When did I ever say my CD-town was based on gut?

This whole statement feels frabricated, I don't remember not sounding very confident about cooldog either.

[Katsuki]

@mina, I know about the nija proofing. But I did not read SC's post before I typed in that line about kat's. I was posting as I read. I got the general vibe from kat that he was worried about getting lynched/killed. This implies that he is trying to survive over scum hunting (It may just be me...).

Might want to explain that one, I was in danger of getting lynched when?

[Katsuki]

I forgot to mention.

V/LA until Sunday/Monday due to holidays and weekend trip.

I will definately try and squeeze in a post pre-lynch though.

[Katsuki]

I don't think CD is scum he is permanently VI. His play this game is different from my other 2 games with him (both times scum), though still VT.

Why is AGM town again?

[Katsuki]

I disagree.

Give me some things to work with for my re-read of AGM iso.

[Katsuki]

I disagree.

Give me some things to work with for my re-read of AGM iso.

Why don't you start with the url I posted in my wall up there. Then, look at the other AGM posts I QFT'd. Then read his ISO. It's there. I have faith in you.

That URL link is the reason AGM is town?

[Katsuki]

Also I have about 4-5 people on my scumlist currently.

Those of you who are town need to start acting more townish. ^^

In other news, AGM is still scum.

[Katsuki]

P-edit: You think AGM is lying and hoping Zang will save him?

Did I miss something? Please let me know.

[Katsuki]

Found AGM claim. I had been confused since I did not see a Zang claim.
Will reevaluate AGM.

I won't have time to read through the thread until tomorrow, if I'm lucky.

[Katsuki]

Unvote

Just want to say, them being neighbors =/= confirmed town. Just that they're not the lynch for today.

Cooldog is also not the lynch for today. He is a giant VI, but I have a strong town-read on him this game.

LMP is underwhelming. But I think I've learned that town-LMP is underwhelming. We'll see.

Mari is as hard to read as ever. Last two times I had her read as scum and she was town, so.

Fitz worries me. I have no impression of him at all this game. Hell I wouldn't know he was in this game without looking at VC.

SC is being SC, and I have not had the time to read him.

I would be fine with a UK lynch at this time. She is not that town-presence I am used to in previous games. I get this odd aura around her.

Vote: UK

[Katsuki]

Kat:

Started out ok, then became combative, short-winded, and generally lazy. Asking for people to basically tell her what to think. Not the Kats I know.

If lazy is not having had the time to read/play properly, then sure. I don't remember the last two times I had to go on V/LA.

(granted I'm on V/LA now and really shouldn't be on MS but we're too close to deadline).

I'd also love support for the "asking people to tell me what to think", since I don't recall having ever done so this game.

[Katsuki]

@Those saying CD is just VI: How do you know it is VI and not SI?

He is being far less scummy, idiotic, and in general bad compared to the other games as scum. In the sense that I can actually see town-motivated "scum-hunting" from CD this game. Whether he is actually good at it or not is irrelevant.

[Katsuki]

@GW: I have a town-read on CD. I've explained it throughout this game. Check iso before you ask anymore.
btw, town motivation =/= suddenly improving.

As for UK, matter of opinion. I think she is scum.

Mina I will look at next week when I have time. She is not the lynch so it doesn't matter for now.


All in all, AGM's "anti-VI" alliance gave me odd feelings, but meh, we'll see how things play out, nothing much to fret over D1.

I may post a bit more tonight if I have time, but after that, I will have no idea as to whether I'll be able to get internet access over the weekend or not.

[Katsuki]

wtf has this game devolved into.

I'mma rq hard if CD ends up getting lynched.

Either mina or GW is scum btw.

[Katsuki]

@UT: Prior experience with Katsuki.

Drhunk and all right now but this statement of your meta on me is PURE AND UTTER BS.

TWO GAMES YOU HAVE PLYED WITH ME

ONE AS SCUM
2ND I CALLED FOR A POLICY LYNCH, THEN YOU GUYS QUICKLYNCHED WHILE I WAS AWAY FOR HOLIDAYS

WHERE THE FUCK IS THIS META OF ME CALLING WHOEVER IS SCUM = TOWN FROM?


HONEST;Y UK IS SCUMMMMMMMMMMM

[Katsuki]

IN THAT SECOND GAME I NEVER GOT PAST PAGE5.

[Katsuki]

/back will post either today or tomorrow when I have time.

CD, you shoot for who you think is scum. If you want to shoot UK, then shoot her. Just because some people have expressed thoughts on her being town means that she is town.

Vig's were never meant to make to be popular. They are meant to smite scum.

[Katsuki]

EBWOP: In other words, trust yourself, CD. I for one think you're playing better this game than in others (though, I've never played with town-you before, so I dunno about your townplay).

[Katsuki]

I have no time to post.
I have no plans on claiming at this particular point in time.

Scum are grey, mina and UK if I am quicklynched.

I will be replacing out if I have no time to post. We shall see tomorrow.

[Katsuki]

We're not changing wagons to CD. We're lynching Katsuki, who has actually been MORE USELESS than CooLDoG if you think about it. At least CooLDoG shot a VI for us. Katsuki hasn't done shit.

BRING THAT SUN DOWN. I want to get back to my neighbor quicktopic so Zang and I can catch the scumz.

Going with that logic, I'd be a D1 lynch in every game I play.

Though I would argue that I have done stuff, but you apparently think otherwise.
_____________

I did not get time to read last night, and will not have time today (tuesday is my busiest day of the week). So if you're gonna lynch, at least give my replacement a chance. Otherwise I'm staying in and hopefully making a difference D2.

[Katsuki]

Well, let's put it this way. I currently do not have time to defend myself until tomorrow.

And to hell am I letting my mislynch go though without a fight. Considering that I feel that more scum than less are behind the driving wheel.

[Katsuki]

Sigh.

I am Sylvia, Seductress. My powers are Seduce and Poison. Vote flavor is Silver Tongue.

inb4zomgthosesoundlikescumabilities.

I'll be back later tonight, hopefully.

[Katsuki]

By hopefully, I mean I do not know whether I have time to post or not, not that other interpretation...

[Katsuki]

wtf where did I claim vig.

Poison is a modified JK. Target loses ability to post in QT amongst other things.
Seduce is a roleblock.

[Katsuki]

Knew that PR claim would still be pushed. As much as my absense may have hurt my play this game, town are in for an uphill game.

Requesting replacement

Should buy you guys a few extra days of D1.

[Katsuki]

Oh I forgot, poison is my day ability. Lasts day+night.

[Katsuki]

Gl town.

I never got the time to build the UK case, but she is scum trust me.
Mina is most likely scum but I am not entirely sure. Never seen town-mina before.
GW is probably scum.
I think Mari is scum as her town play in both mafia 1057 and LOTR mafia differ significantly from her play this game. No time to explain.
Grey by POE might just be fail-town.
AGM I have nothing to say.
SC is as scummy as always.

This is why I said too many scum earlier on.

[Katsuki]

then why not say that when you first claimed? its not like "seduce" is something we can look up in the wiki. faaaaaake.

no flavor? faaaaaake.

die.

We're allowed to post flavor?

Employ ladies in my brothel to seduce.

Am a master of poisons --> Poison ability.

[Katsuki]

OH AND NOW UR REPLACING OUT

BYE SCUM.

MoI seems like a nice guy. Let's save him the trouble of finding a replacement by LYNCHING THE CLAIMED SCUM. Yee?

As much as I love you, I'll hate you for all eternity if you actually are town.

[Katsuki]

Biologically, poisons don't just kill, they can also knock a person unconcious.

[Katsuki]

Fair point about Fate.

Mari is probably town then.

[Katsuki]

Actually, null on mari until I go back and read her.

I dunno why I keep returning to this game despite impending RL work deadlines. Be back night/tmr.

[Katsuki]

wtf did I claim vig
Poison is a modified JK. Target loses ability to post in QT amongst other things.

Jesus I swear you guys are choosing not to read.

[Katsuki]

Standard JK stuff. Except that they can't be targetted by ANY actions.

No QT, actions, or targetted by actions for one day/night cycle; until the following "daybreak".

[Katsuki]

@MOI: I was serious about my replacing out though. I simply do not have the time to play this game, read through the thread, and adequately defend myself

<3

(apologies)

[Katsuki]

FFS. Kats, if you're town, your play is shit this game. Replacing 24 hours before the freaking deadline. Christ. I think Kats is likely telling the truth. I'd still much prefer a UT or GI lynch (or Zang. His play is still shite).

I've been admitting my play was shit this game. It's been shit for the past month and is the key reason why I've been moving towards taking a break from mafia. Not to mention all the V/LA's I've had to take.

I suppose there's nothing I can do at this point.

I'd really love a UK lynch, but the only lynch other than myself that I can see town agreeing on is SC. Obviously I'd take that over myself, but still.

[Katsuki]

Either way, if you guys are gonna end up lynching me, give me warning.

I'll be on later to use my ability to hopefully disable a scum from using the QT tonight.

[Katsuki]

Katsuki, we may be SCUMZ4LYFE but you are rapidly moving your way towards a spot on the "players to avoid" list. You've been MUCH MORE than unsatisfactory in the last few games I've played with you.

Sigh I know. I sicken myself with my play as of late. Hence why I'm in only 2 games now (including this one), and not joining any new ones.

I was overdue for retirement a few weeks ago as my head hasn't properly been in mafia, but thought I could stick it out for this game. Evidently I was wrong.

[Katsuki]

I did my job to prevent death N1... = =

[Katsuki]

BRAINSS

[Katsuki]

@AGM: I was highly amused by your reference to Liten by the by.

[Katsuki]

^This

P-EDIT: WHAT MOI SAID

UT was playing great D5 until that abrasive bit late in the day.
_______

I thought AGM would be able to pull a furry though.

[Katsuki]

I want photographic memory.

[Katsuki]

Also, just remembered, LLD's record should be 6-1

albeit with a giant asterisk for mod-intervention lol

[Katsuki]

Photographic memory is by far better than my poreous memory. XD

Also, THINK OF ME IN OOT. I HAD TO DEAL WITH RECK-MOD END-GAME

[Katsuki]

SC why do you always seem scummy? :/

[Katsuki]

You were not townie in Bomb Mafia haha.

Though, Godfather was the main reason why I thought you were town this game haha.

[Katsuki]

SC why do you always seem scummy? :/

His play style is passive. SUPER passive.

And many players on this site equate that with scum.

I do too... but not in SC's case.. not all the time at least.

There's something else to his play...

Though, the game I'm referring to, everyone targetted SC N1 haha. I shot him, someone else tracked him, and scum rolecoped him.

[Katsuki]

Laziness?

If multiple V/LAs then falling behind in the game = laziness, then sure.

[Katsuki]

You were not townie in Bomb Mafia haha.

Though, Godfather was the main reason why I thought you were town this game haha.

WOULDA BEEN NICE IF YOU HAD STUCK AROUND AND EXPRESSED THAT READ, HUH?

= =

I think you got it wrong... I'm the one who's spose to sheep you, not the other way round.

[Katsuki]

The claim I entirely agree with was atrocious.