Mafia 123 - Outdoorsmen Mafia 2 GAME OVER

[Guderian]

Mastin, why do you want to get information rather than lynch scum? If you want to lynch scum, vote DH.

Parama, how is it 'lolmeta'. If every game as town you post walls, and this game you are in one liner mode, it bears questioning over. You can't put it down to lolmeta when there is a fundamental difference to how people act/play as scum.

[Kitoari]

Votecount #3

DemonHybrid - UntrodTripod, Guderian, Ross William, Empking (4)
evilpacman8 - Nachomamma8, Demonhybrid, iamausername, Parama (4)
UntrodTripod - tylerjarvis (1)
Guderian - bvoigt (1)

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to secure a lynch.

RossWilliam has requested replacement...

[Parama]

Well, because I don't post lolwalls in most games as any alignment.

[Empking]

VOTE: Empking

- his hunting, so far, seems fake. Also, if you're into meta, this is exactly how he played the above-linked scum game.

In what way. Honeastly, I doubt that very much considerring my prefered scum strategy in Lovers is completely different from how I plasy in any other game. My play in that game was wagonning and opportunitism with no original thought. I don't think that would be a fair assessment of how I've played in this game so far.

[Calcifer]

Mastin, why do you want to get information rather than lynch scum? If you want to lynch scum, vote DH.

Nah, I want both. Given the chance between lynching one player who I think is scum, but gives little to no information...
...And a player who I think is scum, which'll give me a ton of information...

...I'll take the latter. Even if I thought Ross WAS scum (which I don't), then I'd want to lynch Evil/You/Demon, who I AM suspicious of, more than Ross, because all three of you have had beautiful interactions with others, giving a lot more information.
Information-->Good.
Lynching suspect-->Good.
Information AND lynching a suspect-->Great. Ross doesn't give as much information as you three, nor am I personally suspicious of him. Therefore, Ross is not the best lynch. Simple logic, to me.

-Mastin.

[DrippingGoofball]

Mastin, why do you want to get information rather than lynch scum? If you want to lynch scum, vote DH.

Nah, I want both. Given the chance between lynching one player who I think is scum, but gives little to no information...

I really don't get that... because it's the wagon itself that creates the information... so "information" is always there at the lynch no matter who gets the noose.

[Calcifer]

You people made me log into this account for no reason.

You can add DGB into the town column, though.

[evilpacman18]

I'm having a hard time getting reads this game. I feel like we're spending a lot of time and text on trivial stuff.

Mod: Can you update the OP with replacements?

I'm trying to skim and it's blocking my progress.

[bvoigt]

You can add DGB into the town column, though.

QFT.

[DrippingGoofball]

A peanut sat on the railroad track
When the 5:15 came by,
Choo Choo! Peanut butter.

VOTE: DemonHybrid

[DemonHybrid]

A peanut sat on the railroad track
When the 5:15 came by,
Choo Choo! Peanut butter.

VOTE: DemonHybrid

How come?

[DrippingGoofball]

How come?

Shhh, it's an experiment.

[don_johnson]

thanks mastin. the explanation makes sense. though i don't agree with the entire thought process, i get where you're coming from. also, it appears rw has replaced out.

unvote, vote: guderian

for this:

Mastin, why do you want to get information rather than lynch scum? If you want to lynch scum, vote DH.

i thought mastin's explanation was clear enough. dgb jumping on this point gives me pause as well.

[iamausername]

Well, I'm trying to figure out what to post as a catchup, but nothing has really happened since I've been gone, so that's kind of difficult. Well, DGB turned up, that's always good. She looks like town DGB so far, I think.

Dearest Moderator, the following people are distinctly in need of prod/replacement:

Untrod Tripod
werewolf333

I don't think either of them are currently slated for replacement, and neither have posted in almost a week.

Unvote

VOTE: werewolf

I think we should wagon this guy just to see if he even notices.

[bvoigt]

Yeah, werewolf logged in yesterday, and he's been posting in other places. Let's see where this goes.

UNVOTE: Guderian
VOTE: werewolf333

[chkflip]

I'm quite busy IRL right now so I'll have to catch back up when I can - just kinda proddodging atm.

[nhammen]

Returning from Limited Access. Warning: probable wallpost incoming as soon as I catch up.

[DrippingGoofball]

I can interrupt my experiment for this one.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: werewolf

[evilpacman18]

Good enough for me. he's top of my scumlist anyway.

vote: werewolf

[Parama]

Wow. We're really lynching a lurker?
What the hell, guys. What the hell.

[Parama]

Good enough for me. he's top of my scumlist anyway.

vote: werewolf

Confirm Vote

[DemonHybrid]

I'm not switching. He has enough pressure.

[nhammen]

Except, almost everyone had those two players as suspects at the time.

Not

quite

, nham. True, almost every single player was thinking one of them was scum...
...But Ross--to my knowledge--is the first to express how he thought

both

are scum, as I did in my post. That makes me think he's town, because he had a new insight which wasn't there before, that they were bussing each other hard. He obviously didn't say all of that, but it's definitely implied in his posts.
To my knowledge, everyone before that was just thinking one of them was scum and the other one town. Therefore, I see no sheeping. I see active participation. And from that, I come to the logical conclusion, that Ross is town.

I had to look back and check this. It seems that Guderian had implied DH and EPM scum on two seperate teams (or at least I saw this implication, although DH disagreed), iamausername had explicitly mentioned this as a possibility that Guderian should consider, and Parama had stated that he believed this. Then Ross came along, and contrary to what you have stated, did not even imply anything about bussing. I would like you to state what of Ross' you thought implied bussing. I also am wondering why you are so eager to defend him. (Although your other half has not been doing so). I really don't see any sort of new insight coming from Ross. I think he was just jumping on the easy bandwagon, or rather BOTH easy bandwagons.

And I'm alright with the idea of one--possibly two--scum being lurkers, but half of them? Well, if we have 2-2 scumteams, I'd expect the scum wouldn't try lurking (the smaller the team, the more important staying active is), and if we have 3-3 scumteams, then I don't think 1-2 players from EACH scumteam (or alternatively, an ENTIRE scum team) would be lurking; that's just too many. Therefore, half the scum can't be lurking. No, most of them are in the active players list; I'm quite sure of it.

You do realize that at this time, half of the players in the game were lurkers, with half of the lurkers in line to be replaced?

aaaaaaaaaannnnnddd parama claims scum. got it.

From the context of your post, this references post 54. Could you tell me how this is a scum claim, cuz I looked and am not seeing anything.

76. nothing about nhammen says he's town. but you give him the "misguided" pass. i don't get it.

I hadn't noticed this at the time, but you are quite right. Point against DH here.

Agree on everything. Everything else will be marked down as a contradiction.

This is far too demanding. Also, are contradictions necessarily scummy? And how can you honestly say that contradictions from a hydra are scummy?

but instead you choose to argue the "noob" thing. anytime you want to start contributing, you let me know.

I'm getting kinda tired of tyler now too. I will admit that when I accused DH of targeting tyler specifically, I was wrong to do so, because there was nothing wrong with DH's attack. He just saw something before I realized how serious it was.

Don't like his ender vote in 94 (several people had not given content--if memory serves--and I dislike how he singled out ender of them)

Yep, ender gives off that fresh NO0b scent, with notes of easy lynch. So I need to put UT in my questionable individuals column.

Calcifer was actually talking about my ender vote, and not UT, who has never voted for ender, and in fact is still on his random vote (whihc he has since implied has turned serious, but never stated). But, if you would like to know why I voted ender, it is because he had posted the least amount of content out of the people that I had noticed with that problem.

VOTE: Empking - his hunting, so far, seems fake.

Odd, looked quite genuine to me.

Same here. Plus, in a multiscum game, expect to see no fake hunting until one faction has been destroyed, so this is actually really bad reasoning coming from chkflip.

About Ross: Another thing to consider about him is information. If we lynch him, what information do we gain?
Pretty much none.

When we lynch (in my current preference order) Evil, Guderian, or Demon, what information do we gain?

A heck of a lot more, I can tell you that right now. (Again, I do have this thought out fairly well, and can give the information on request.)

Good point. I agree with this.

thanks mastin. the explanation makes sense. though i don't agree with the entire thought process, i get where you're coming from. also, it appears rw has replaced out.

unvote, vote: guderian

for this:

Mastin, why do you want to get information rather than lynch scum? If you want to lynch scum, vote DH.

i thought mastin's explanation was clear enough. dgb jumping on this point gives me pause as well.

Just because they didnt agree with the logic presented doesn't make them scum.

Wow. We're really lynching a lurker?
What the hell, guys. What the hell.

Those were some very fast 4 votes. However, at only 4 votes, I don't mind too much.

Good enough for me. he's top of my scumlist anyway.

vote: werewolf

Confirm Vote

Agree completely. Bandwagoning, and his "top suspect" is a lurker? Although, then maybe I'm guilty of seeing fake hunting in multiscum.

[Empking]

Good enough for me. he's top of my scumlist anyway.

vote: werewolf

Confirm Vote

Can he honestly say you weren't tempted to hop on the bandwagon/ That warm, loving, invititing bandwagon...

[Calcifer]

Same here. Plus, in a multiscum game, expect to see no fake hunting until one faction has been destroyed, so this is actually really bad reasoning coming from chkflip.

I was this was the case. But do you honestly believe that all scum are going to actually be looking for the other team as opposed to just aiming to survive throughout the day?
NAHHHHH

This EPM wagon gives me WAY too many happy tinglies to switch. We would be tempted to switch, though, especially if this game keeps lagging. We expect this to chance one the game hits about Tuesday or so, though.