Newbie 1040 ~ Murder in Newbville! ~ Game Over

[Uite]

Okay, so I've seriously overestimated the amount of free time I'd have. I haven't got time to do the re-read I promised now or in the next few days for that matter. Anyway, onward to current business.

I really can't find fault with both Mike and LC's assesment of Reaper, so I'll just sheep for now.

VOTE: ReaperCharlie

[Kishime]

Okay, so I've seriously overestimated the amount of free time I'd have. I haven't got time to do the re-read I promised now or in the next few days for that matter. Anyway, onward to current business.

I really can't find fault with both Mike and LC's assesment of Reaper, so I'll just sheep for now.

VOTE: ReaperCharlie

VOTE: Uite

[LordChronos]

^^ Hypocrisy at its finest.

Not that I disagree that that post is scummy, but after arguing with Equinox about a mike lynch being better than a Charlie lynch (saying that Charlie's sheeping and sucking up were not as scummy as one or two posts from mike), that is definitely hypocritical.

@mike

Go back and check the time-stamps after on Charlie's last post before being hammered and Reaper's hammer. There is a literal three minute gap between the posts. Then see if you can come back here and tell me Charlie had time to say what he was going to say before the lynch.

As town, you should never hammer someone when there is still time left when they say they have one more thing to post, assuming they aren't quicklynched.

[AzBlueM]

RC, I think you're L-1, now might be a good time to tells us about FA's/Lind's tells.

RC's vote post read like "oh yeah, I'm supposed to be voting for this guy" after LC reminded him.
FA sounds really pissy on 371...I'm not sure what this means at all.
Uite, your sheep put RC at L-1, do you have anything to add to the case?

Reread's not coming along, not seeing a lot of what I didn't see already.

LC, Uite, how comfortable are you guys being on the same wagon as your scum pick of yesterday?

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh great, I'm at L-1. This is fantastic. Read: sarcasm.

As for Lind/Flameaxe's tells, they're mostly behavioral. Also, it's mostly gut, and I don't have the time to explain, but I have read Flameaxe-scum before (I was scum with him), and this sure feels like it. Plus, did you see his scathing response to me? Pure scum "righteous anger" reaction.

Anyways, lynch me if you must, but I'm just gonna flip town.

In the interest of helping out, I'd say my top reads at the moment aaarrreee....


*drumroll as Reaper goes back and reads the last few pages*

[ReaperCharlie]

Wait, how am I at L-1? lol

[ReaperCharlie]

/in before thread lock

I'd lean oh-so-slightly townish on ReaperCharlie for reading everything contrary to the rest of us, whereas scum would try to blend in... and in a game like this where we're pretty much in agreement regarding the ends of the spectrum, I don't see scum going upriver just to be contrary. Keep an eye on him, though.

This was from a confirmed, flipped townie.

And the logic is sound.

[ReaperCharlie]

Reconsidering my vote on mike, his play is improving, and I really don't like Charlie sucking up big time to Equinox or Charlie saying he would sheep Equinox's vote.

@RC: You said you didn't really feel like pushing a Flame lynch at the top of this page. Why then are you voting him still? We get that you are suspicious of him, but shouldn't your vote be going someplace useful if you aren't going to post your case on Flame?

@mike: You are correct about what sheeping is.

This entire post seems pretty useless.

Lord Chronos has been making a lot of comments and asking a lot of questions without actually scumhunting.

That's a pretty big scum tell in my book.

[ReaperCharlie]

Re: my quick hammer on Charlie.

There is no better move than to hammer a VT claim. Either they're a lying PR (not likely), or they're a truthful townie (in which case it's not that big of a deal), or they're lying scum.

I have counted and I think I'm at L-2 according to the last votecount and the fact that only one person has voted me since I was officially at L-3... soooo...

but yeah anyways, I am a VT as well, like I said earlier, so I obviously don't really begrudge you lynching me, but of course I prefer to live and I prefer that scum gets lynched because that furthers my wincon (and yours, if you are a townie).

All I ask is that you take Equinox's suspicions (and MY suspicions) and use them to scumhunt from here forward, because you have obviously got a scumteam who's been able to mislead you thus far.

I don't really have too much else to say except: lynch Flameaxe, mikemike, and LordChronos, in that order.

[Flameaxe]

As for Lind/Flameaxe's tells, they're mostly behavioral. Also, it's mostly gut, and I don't have the time to explain, but I have read Flameaxe-scum before (I was scum with him), and this sure feels like it. Plus, did you see his scathing response to me? Pure scum "righteous anger" reaction.

I call bullshit on both fronts! Besides, the game in question (in my mind) has a completely different style with two scum/cult groups. Saying I'm playing the same way in a completely different setup is a bit of a stretch. As for my response, wouldn't you make a similar response when someone is making an nonsensical and essentially nonexistant (yes, still non-existant. I said it.) case from you? It's called frustration. I don't think you're scum, but I do think you're horrifically anti-town this game. Quit the defeatist attitude and start doing something. You're at two votes for fucks sake.

[ReaperCharlie]

Wait so now you don't think I'm scum?

When did that change?

[Flameaxe]

It hasn't changed. Someone isn't reading the game.

ReaperCharlie (SE) - Neutral - a2 didn't give me much, not getting a strong read one way or the other on him. Not sure where he's coming at (now) me (bro).

I wish that was at all constructive.

No love, BBM

Excuse me while I ignore you now, as you don't seem to have any intention of actually being useful. Fucking secret tell bullshit is completely useless to everyone but yourself. If you are town, you're an imbecile; if you're scum, you're still an imbecile.

I said it.

There's nothing to fucking rebuttal, and you fucking know it. I'll be right here when you start actually participating like an actual player of an actual game. Funny enough, you haven't done shit this game, and your attitude shows that this will not be changing anytime soon. You can't sheep an argument that doesn't exist (and probably never will).

Head, I know you love ass, but its time for you to get out.

*pumps fist*

I call bullshit on both fronts! Besides, the game in question (in my mind) has a completely different style with two scum/cult groups. Saying I'm playing the same way in a completely different setup is a bit of a stretch. As for my response, wouldn't you make a similar response when someone is making an nonsensical and essentially nonexistant (yes, still non-existant. I said it.) case from you? It's called frustration. I don't think you're scum, but I do think you're horrifically anti-town this game. Quit the defeatist attitude and start doing something. You're at two votes for fucks sake.

I'm not seeing it, are you?

[LordChronos]

Re: my quick hammer on Charlie.

There is no better move than to hammer a VT claim. Either they're a lying PR (not likely), or they're a truthful townie (in which case it's not that big of a deal), or they're lying scum.

I don't take issue with the fact that you hammered. Mike and I were both willing to do that as well. What I do take issue with is the fact that you quickhammered Charlie immediately after he said he was going to say one more thing

if he was quickhammered.

Does that make more sense?

Also very ironic that you are calling me out for not scumhunting enough when you have refused to make a case on your top suspect all game and now only do so when votes go on you. Btw, that post of mine you quoted was during the holidays, when I was busy with real life family stuff. I was playing better at game start, and I know it. I slacked off some over the holidays and am now working on getting back into the game.

[mikemike778]

@mike

Go back and check the time-stamps after on Charlie's last post before being hammered and Reaper's hammer. There is a literal three minute gap between the posts. Then see if you can come back here and tell me Charlie had time to say what he was going to say before the lynch.

As town, you should never hammer someone when there is still time left when they say they have one more thing to post, assuming they aren't quicklynched.

Sure I'm not saying its not dodgy - it certainly is, just don't think it was to silence Charlie.

I doubt any great statement from Charlie would have saved him though so if Charlie had any great revelations that would affect the game he could still post them after the hammer but before the hangman arrived (twilight).

To post so quickly after the claim, does look like he was waiting for an excuse to do it.

What I don't get is why though ... it was clearly going to be me or charlie so if he was scum then dont see why he'd make himself look bad by hammering. I realise me posting that doesn't hold any relevance to anyone who doesn't know my alignment but just explaining my thought processes.

To sum up .. I think he's the most sus player but I don't get his motivations if he is scum which is concerning as its meant to be the main thing to think about when scumhunting (examine the motivations of the player).

[mikemike778]

/in before thread lock

I'd lean oh-so-slightly townish on ReaperCharlie for reading everything contrary to the rest of us, whereas scum would try to blend in... and in a game like this where we're pretty much in agreement regarding the ends of the spectrum, I don't see scum going upriver just to be contrary. Keep an eye on him, though.

This was from a confirmed, flipped townie.

And the logic is sound.

Whilst the logic is sound ... I've already said why I don't trust it (and quoted this post).

[mikemike778]

Oh great, I'm at L-1. This is fantastic. Read: sarcasm.

As for Lind/Flameaxe's tells, they're mostly behavioral. Also, it's mostly gut, and I don't have the time to explain, but I have read Flameaxe-scum before (I was scum with him), and this sure feels like it. Plus, did you see his scathing response to me? Pure scum "righteous anger" reaction.

Anyways, lynch me if you must, but I'm just gonna flip town.

In the interest of helping out, I'd say my top reads at the moment aaarrreee....


*drumroll as Reaper goes back and reads the last few pages*

You clearly mentioned earlier you were going fess all. Suggesting that you had some pretty damning evidence. More so than what you were saying here. Also wasn't your feel for this spot to do wiith Lindi and not just Flame. Were you not just holding off because you were worried they would stop repeating these 'tells'?

[mikemike778]

Votecount 18

mikemike778 - Kishime (1)
Kishime - Flameaxe (1)
ReaperCharlie - mikemike778 (1)

Not Voting: Lord Chronos, Uite, AzBlueM, ReaperCharlie, Flameaxe

With 7 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Sending out a massprod..

Kit - need to correct this to 4 to lynch.

[mikemike778]

EBWOP - Also would it be poss to put the deadline on this ...

[mikemike778]

I have counted and I think I'm at L-2 according to the last votecount and the fact that only one person has voted me since I was officially at L-3... soooo...

Me, LC and Uite all have votes on you and its 4 to lynch so you are on L1 (I think)

[LordChronos]

LC, Uite, how comfortable are you guys being on the same wagon as your scum pick of yesterday?

At this point, I think mike's play has improved greatly, so I'm not as worried about him being scum as I was. He is still scummier than you, for instance, but not as scummy as Kishime or ReaperCharlie.

I am also slightly worried by Uite's play recently, especially the sheep L-1.

Mod: Your votecount is missing my vote.

[Kitoari]

Votecount 19

Uite - Kishime (1)
Flameaxe - ReaperCharlie
Kishime - Flameaxe (1)
ReaperCharlie - mikemike778, LordChronos Uite (3)

Not Voting: LordChronos, AzBlueM, ReaperCharlie, Flameaxe

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

ReaperCharlie has requested replacement..

[LordChronos]

Unvote; Vote: Kishime

The unvote is for courtesy to the replacement. The vote is on my second suspect.

[Flameaxe]

Sigh....

[ReaperCharlie]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p2723164

Same applies here.

[ReaperCharlie]

k, unbookmarking. Sorry mod! Sorry guys (and girls?)