Consulmaker II: the Pyrrhic War - Game over.

[SensFan]

Are you actually saying you think there's a flip that would give even a fraction of the information a Jack flip would? Did you not read his long post that is a goldmine of information if we have the information he is Town? More importantly, we are going to have to lynch Jack at some point. Why in the name of Bahamut would we want to use a D3 or later lynch on someone we agree on D2 needs to be lynched?

Even with a jack-townflip you have to use your judgement about what reactions were scummy. And you can use your judgement now and lynch those people.

If you think there's any chance I will even consider the chance you might be Town, unless your flip says you are, you are very sadly mistaken.

[inHimshallibe]

lol this game.

Damn, since Jack is untouchable I guess I better get around to finding the scumz.

[Lowell]

Hiya, still here.

Catching up still, but 724 in some sick way makes sense to me. Jack was and is the obvious consensus favorite. He will continue to be, probably. I don't see the harm in giving him another day. Whining about it, on its face, seems a little odd to me. If you're sure he's scum surely amid those convinctions you stumbled on something else you believe as well. I've seen him fakeclaim before as town, surely it's at least possible as town here.

[SensFan]

Hiya, still here.

Catching up still, but 724 in some sick way makes sense to me. Jack was and is the obvious consensus favorite. He will continue to be, probably. I don't see the harm in giving him another day. Whining about it, on its face, seems a little odd to me. If you're sure he's scum surely amid those convinctions you stumbled on something else you believe as well. I've seen him fakeclaim before as town, surely it's at least possible as town here.

You seem to be in agreement that he will be lynched at some point. In that case, why oh why would we want to trade our D2 lynch for our day D3 lynch, when we will obviously have a better chance of making an informed decision the later in the game it is?

[Nathanael]

can we lynch Parama or Lowell please?

[dramonic]

Lowell and Parama will not be lynched today.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Pseudo-Vote Count

Lowell- 1(Nathanael)
Nathanael - 2(Parama, Porochaz)
Parama- 1(Nathanael)

xRECKONERx will be executed Tuesday 15:02 GMT.

P.S. proper nouns getting conjugated does seem unnatural, but there exists a pretty famous example in "Et tu, Brute." (which uses the vocative).

[Parama]

Lowell and Parama will not be lynched ever.

fix'd
Nathanael, you have yet to say why I'm scum. Or why anyone is scum, for that matter. This is why YOU are the scum. If I ever get elected consul, you're going down ASAP

[SensFan]

If I ever get elected consul, you're going down ASAP

The more people say stuff like this, the more control over this game we hand over to ribwhich.

[inHimshallibe]

If I ever get elected consul, you're going down ASAP

The more people say stuff like this, the more control over this game we hand over to ribwhich.

Let's execute this guy.

All he does is scumplain.

[Jack]

Scot, you said it "wouldn't surprise you if both reck and dram are scum" but can you say more about how you feel about this lynch compared to alternatives?

[Nathanael]

Lowell and Parama will not be lynched ever.

fix'd
Nathanael, you have yet to say why I'm scum. Or why anyone is scum, for that matter. This is why YOU are the scum. If I ever get elected consul, you're going down ASAP

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[SensFan]

I don't think I see a single thing you wrote in either of those posts that I agree with.

[SpyreX]

Hiya, still here.

Catching up still, but 724 in some sick way makes sense to me. Jack was and is the obvious consensus favorite. He will continue to be, probably. I don't see the harm in giving him another day. Whining about it, on its face, seems a little odd to me. If you're sure he's scum surely amid those convinctions you stumbled on something else you believe as well. I've seen him fakeclaim before as town, surely it's at least possible as town here.

The hell kind of logic is this? "Everyone wanted Jack dead therefore lets wait".

[Lowell]

Hiya, still here.

Catching up still, but 724 in some sick way makes sense to me. Jack was and is the obvious consensus favorite. He will continue to be, probably. I don't see the harm in giving him another day. Whining about it, on its face, seems a little odd to me. If you're sure he's scum surely amid those convinctions you stumbled on something else you believe as well. I've seen him fakeclaim before as town, surely it's at least possible as town here.

The hell kind of logic is this? "Everyone wanted Jack dead therefore lets wait".

I know. Adorable, right?

It's not that Jack shouldn't die; it's that using Jack's non-death as an excuse to do nothing is anti-town. In sort of a weird way ribwich has balls for doing what he did, so good for him. Lowell's famous townpoints coming his way!

[inHimshallibe]

Hiya, still here.

Catching up still, but 724 in some sick way makes sense to me. Jack was and is the obvious consensus favorite. He will continue to be, probably. I don't see the harm in giving him another day. Whining about it, on its face, seems a little odd to me. If you're sure he's scum surely amid those convinctions you stumbled on something else you believe as well. I've seen him fakeclaim before as town, surely it's at least possible as town here.

The hell kind of logic is this? "Everyone wanted Jack dead therefore lets wait".

I know. Adorable, right?

It's not that Jack shouldn't die; it's that using Jack's non-death as an excuse to do nothing is anti-town. In sort of a weird way ribwich has balls for doing what he did, so good for him.

Lowell's famous townpoints coming his way!

Except he's bloody confirmed town.

[xRECKONERx]

Bye guys.

Kill dramonic please.

[Lowell]

Hiya, still here.

Catching up still, but 724 in some sick way makes sense to me. Jack was and is the obvious consensus favorite. He will continue to be, probably. I don't see the harm in giving him another day. Whining about it, on its face, seems a little odd to me. If you're sure he's scum surely amid those convinctions you stumbled on something else you believe as well. I've seen him fakeclaim before as town, surely it's at least possible as town here.

The hell kind of logic is this? "Everyone wanted Jack dead therefore lets wait".

I know. Adorable, right?

It's not that Jack shouldn't die; it's that using Jack's non-death as an excuse to do nothing is anti-town. In sort of a weird way ribwich has balls for doing what he did, so good for him.

Lowell's famous townpoints coming his way!

Except he's bloody confirmed town.

Heh oops, okay. Then he gets bonus townpoints!

[Feysal]

If reckoner was to be executed at 15:02 GMT, should he not be dead already?

I'm somewhat disappointed that ribwich has not posted his full case or even named his suspect after saying he thought someone was scummier than Jack. He could mean reckoner though, he has mentioned a few points against him already. Unless someone shows up quickly to extend the deadline or veto the execution, that will probably have to wait until tomorrow. We've also got another replacement coming, I spotted it in the signup thread.

I did a quick ISO read of dramonic and reckoner. To me, it looks like dramonic was offering his opinions and playing the game early on, which gave me a town feeling on him. As for reckoner, he spent much of the first day promising to catch up and reread, when it was apparent he had not read the game even once. Then he suddenly declared he believed Jack town, after barely mentioning him during the first day. I have no experience with either of them, but if we had to execute dramonic or reckoner, I'd choose reckoner. His reading has been selective, his opinions few and his arguments almost nonexistent.

I'm not entirely sure dramonic is town though, even in the event that reckoner flips scum. Their fight could be scum distancing.

[ribwich]

Not that it matters as much now since he's already dead, but reck was who I was referring to. I'm not going to bother now with the whole case, but the main idea was that he looks scummy regardless of whether Jack is town or scum.

I'm still thinking there's a good chance Jack is actually town. It's obvious he had the whole thing planned from the beginning for this being about trapping people that had inside knowledge of knowing both claimed consulmakers are town. It wasn't a last plan of defense, because now it actually makes sense why he did it in the first place. So what it comes down to is was it really a town plan to gain information, or was it a scum gambit to try to stay alive? It just makes more sense to me for this to be a town move, because there was a slim chance of it working if he was scum, while there was a lot to gain if he was town.

[Feysal]

There is also the fact that we have no explanation why scum would make such a move. Yesterday, I theorized there could be some scum power role that could mess with the Consulmaker, but apparently this has not happened. I still feel Jack waited longer than I am comfortable with to reveal his ploy, but I also can't explain why he would try that as scum. As things are, he probably has to die sooner or later, not a useful move for scum to make.

[SpyreX]

I could see that UNTIL the explanation was WIFOM instead of coming clean.

[SensFan]

Not that it matters as much now since he's already dead, but reck was who I was referring to. I'm not going to bother now with the whole case, but the main idea was that he looks scummy regardless of whether Jack is town or scum.

I'm still thinking there's a good chance Jack is actually town. It's obvious he had the whole thing planned from the beginning for this being about trapping people that had inside knowledge of knowing both claimed consulmakers are town. It wasn't a last plan of defense, because now it actually makes sense why he did it in the first place. So what it comes down to is was it really a town plan to gain information, or was it a scum gambit to try to stay alive? It just makes more sense to me for this to be a town move, because there was a slim chance of it working if he was scum, while there was a lot to gain if he was town.

That's a steaming pile of dung. There's no reason whatsoever to assume he's not Scum; just like if I claimed Cop in a C9 set-up, you countered me, I survived the day, and then the next day I said it was all for reactions and gave a bunch of posts calling a bunch of people Scum.

[Flameaxe]

Hello. I'm a co-mod, and CES is on limited access. What does this mean? I'm taking over for a little while, but I don't have mod privileges yet! However, I can give you an execution!

xRECKONERx, War Elephant, Pyrrhic Goon, executed by dramonic Day Two.

Obviously: No privs means no locked thread, so I can only ask you to refrain from posting in thread. I should have them soon. In the meantime, it is now night two, you have 72 hours to get your actions in. (Send them to me, for the record).

[Flameaxe]

Bump. Actions.