Mini 1099: The Prisoner Mafia. Game Over.

[SpyreX]

Besides, you’d really like to see Number 2 hang. Any Number 2, even if it later turns out not to have been Number 2 will be worth it momentarily.

I am a prophet of this holy voice.

Unvote, Vote: Cookie

[SpyreX]

Number 2 must hang.

ITS WRITTEN IN STONE

(As an aside, I think I saw Plum? sign up for this and went "Huh, I'd like to play with Plum" and then looked at the list and went OOOOOOOoooooo)

In other words this game is already over its awesome quota

[SpyreX]

Maybe, just maybe, you can be awesome too

[SpyreX]

I like hammering without claims too. But I have a feeling this is an all vanilla setup anyway.

Unvote, Vote: Jack

[SpyreX]

You better be playin around there miss stroller.

Cause "this is an all vanilla setup" + "I am such a powerful PR there can be no other PR's AND I'm a mller"

No

[SpyreX]

Yes, I know - but I bet some people hadn't seen that and might have tripped themself up with a number greater than 200. Thanks for spoiling my trap.

TOWN

[SpyreX]

Tajo you misspelled Jack. I understand though.

And I'm seriously about Ruffles being town.

[SpyreX]

So Jack is town?

That what you be sayin up ins?

(I REALLY dont want to have to go into a detailed discussion about saying its an all vanilla setup AND being a super powerful PR AND being a miller and how those three pieces don't touch each other in a pleasant way)

[SpyreX]

It was one of those "gambits" that had no downside.

The kind of thing I expect from fresh young bucks ready to go, fighting in the big leagues.

[SpyreX]

Standard miller strategy is to claim to start, which I wasn't planning to do however, but with fates claim I believe this scenario was zorblag's intention it was like a test which I failed but you all still have a chance to pass if you think about the setup and the flavor and what makes sense for this game I think you'll come to the conclusion that it does indeed make sense particularly if I'm NOT the only pr but there is a tracker or something of that sort.

In four pages you went from "This is a vanilla setup" to "I am a miller thus fate isn't" to "I am a super powerful secret role that is so powerful I am the only PR" to "Of course it makes sense that there is other PR's like tracker (note: not cop)"

And I'm the scum.

[SpyreX]

No.

I am not dealing with this until "endgame".

[SpyreX]

Edit: not not dealing

[SpyreX]

It doesn't make any sense as town.

To be fair, it doesn't make a lot of sense as scum either but.

[SpyreX]

Welp

Yea, much much worse

[SpyreX]

Ohh you've gotta be kidding me.

The miller claim isn't even the part that gets me. Its that surrounded by the vanilla setup - the one ring - many rings jumps.

And, EK saying nothing getting called out and coming in with YOURE NOT THE BOSS OF ME DAD well.

[SpyreX]

But god if you were lying and that caused the other FFFFFF

This game already.

[SpyreX]

No.

NO.

Why would a super powered miller want hammers without claims?

NO

This is some kinda gambit that exploded

[SpyreX]

Don't you pull meta out ohhhh Fate

[SpyreX]

What the hell kind of super powers would make you think you're the only PR?

SERIOUSLY.

Damnit fate.

DAMNIT

IS THIS SOME KIND OF WACKY SCUM HIJINKS YOU TWO PULLED THAT WENT SOUTH WHEN HE CLAIMED MYSTERIOUS PR

[SpyreX]

The hell I "outed pr's"

HE DID THAT OF HIS OWN VOLITION

The tinfoil says you two went "double miller gambit, winner rides the fury to victory" that went BFFTH when he claimed SUPER POWER PR on top of it which makes no sense.

[SpyreX]

Because it STILL doesn't make sense as town.

Why the start out with its a vanilla setup?
Why, when you claimed miller, would he not do some kind of "just a miller" business?
Why, LORD WHY, would you assume you were the only PR?

[SpyreX]

Answer my damn questions and give me HOW all of this has unfolded makes a lick of sense.

[SpyreX]

You said you wanted hammers without claims.

THE CLAIM SHOULDNT MATTER.

IF ANYTHING IT MAKES EVEN LESS SENSE IF YOU ARE MILLER SUPER JESUS TO BE BEHIND IT.

But, honestly, I don't have the energy.

Him or me today.

If I flip town, I want him him dead.
If he flips scum, you die.

(OHH NO HE SAID IF IN HIS FLIP)

[SpyreX]

And I'm fully aware of how this is going to go with the mecha-jesus claim.

So, lets dance.

[SpyreX]

Ohh hell no.

He's town town town and I'm lord scum this game rite?

PUT IT BACK.

Lets roll.

[SpyreX]

I'd pull this regardless.

I mean, if I'm a PR doesn't that make his whole "I'm the coolest PR EVER" seem even more off.

[SpyreX]

Doesn't change wanting Jack dead.

Doesn't change you getting roped if he's scum.

There's no ballsack involved.

Him or me.

[SpyreX]

And there's other days to deal with that.

I'm of a very simple business with millers. If they play nice nice, then roll. If they even twitch, douse them with fire.

And he twitched all over the place and letting superpower pr claim cover that is bunk.

[SpyreX]

Double miller as scum is one I've thought about. It takes brass balls but it could work.

Lets say I'm woosh well now you're not miller'd so you can get scanned and maybe survive if I'm right.

[SpyreX]

Jesus are you trying to make me go back on my work EC.

Or did Jack post somewhere answering your questions that you were so indignant about getting called out for waiting on a vote?

[SpyreX]

Did you just vote FOR me and then ask if it goes the other way if you can have my vote?

Is that what I see there?

-----

And if Jack's response was some form of "JUST A MILLER?" and then "AHA BUSTED" we might not be having this conversation now.

And I THOUGHT EVEN WITH IT ALL YOU WERE TOWN UNTIL YOU WENT ALL JACKLOVE

[SpyreX]

If the wild guess is EC no.

That is for bullets and ropes. Not sissy investigations.

[SpyreX]

Well, I'm apparently scum for not placing my vote.
So, I'm placing my vote.
If Jack provides good rationale, I'll take it off.
Also shit how am I scummy as hell?

You're missing THIS POST OF YOURS IN THERE:

of course, my apologies for waiting before voting and not jumping on the bandwagon like every other idiot.
Next time, I'll try not to think and simply vote.

Because surely, waiting for a response before making a decision

is a pure scum-tell.
My bad.

What response?

Where did Jack even pretend to address that?

[SpyreX]

I DONT KNOW.

THERE IS TOO MANY.

All could be forgiven if this mystical PR was a dayvig.

[SpyreX]

With what is going on that may be the worst list I've ever seen in my life chess.

One out of 5.

FFF

[SpyreX]

Ruffsters I'd like your thought process on Fate.

However, I GUESS I GET TO BE A LIAR

Unvote, Vote: EK

Called out a scumteam that didn't match your vote? Check.
Implosion? Check.
Some kinda YOU TOO business when Ruff said something about one other person? NOOICE

[SpyreX]

Ohh and Jack is now third party and thus warrants a vote over the entire scumteam.

WELL I NEVER

[SpyreX]

If Jack dies tonight EVEN if its the only death I will shamelessly sheep whomever claims it for the rest of the game.

Promise.

[SpyreX]

If Zang was avoiding this game he can go on the death list.

Cookie first.

[SpyreX]

Fate #72 "Nacho once everyone posts I'll give you a surprise"
Fate #107 "I'm not a miller."

[SpyreX]

Yes I need to its imperative or else I explode.

OR, JUST MAYBE, I'm showing captain town what at least that piece is.

Like I said Fate is dead if Jack is scum.

But, you managed to outrace a miller super pr for the scum prize so well done.

[SpyreX]

Our date has to be postponed (I have to be PRETTY for you)

Of course, handsome, you can help by voting EK now.

[SpyreX]

Hey it can be 10 pages of total crap just look at EK AND comment for me on my Jacknoia

[SpyreX]

I dont care a whit about the claim.

I want blood.

And Ruff wrong tree for now. Thoughts on EK who you were voting for once upon a time.

[SpyreX]

TOO SLOW

If bullets are to be had and you're too chicken to shoot Jack Plum would be mighty alright.

[SpyreX]

Jesus game.

First things first. There may be firey justice but it'd be both ways. Camn, chesskid, you better go out back and have a talk because STILL not the right call for today.

LUCKILY, scum helped by murdering all over that wagon AND lets add in mr Ruff:

EtherealCookie: 7: populartajo (19),

SpyreX

(26), Jack (28),

Zang

(31), Plum (33),

Fate

(36),

Camn

(37)
Hiraki: 2: Ojanen (29),

chesskid3

(32)
SpyreX: 1: Nachomamma8 (16)
Jack: 1:

EtherealCookie

(23)
Fate: 1:

The Rufflig

(27)

Now, lets add another interesting tidbit:

Camn: 18
Chess: 72
Jack: 24
Nacho: 4
Ojanen: 6
Plum: 6
Tajo: 11
SpyreX: 45
The Ruffing: 28

And, the finale:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p2690136

The rub-rub nudge-nudge case on Ojanen ending with a vote on nacho under the "hasn't posted about anything" (while true, but pot es kettle) is the easy push. This isn't a bus. Especially with Nacho's move starting out which I'll get to.

Plum is scum, Ojanen is probably scum. Considering the absence of SHOCKING REVELATIONS I still would put Jack on the bad side of the world.

You've played with Jack PLENTY before. So, when you see Jack say something like "hey i think this is an all vanilla setup" when this is a game in CONEY ISLAND and with a NONVANILLA ROLE PM, you know damn well he's not serious. And you use this to push a lynch on him, even after he counterclaims a miller. You haven't been a tinfoil hat theory kind of guy from the times I've played with you. Your "you or me" thing was a load of crap because you knew DAMN WELL that you weren't going to get lynched D1. Fate calls you scum, you pull those tricks, avoid ever answering Fate, then you back down and vote EK, still calling for bullets into Jack all the while. It doesn't make sense.

You're missing some key pieces of this meta garbage. Namely, its not ONLY this is all vanilla, but super secret awesome PR AND not questioning Fate in regards to his counterclaim - especially if it was AWESOME PR THAT MEANS I MUST BE A MILLER.

And, the logical dance to go "I'm the only PR in the game so they made me a miller" when if you are the only PR then being a miller means a fat stack of nothing.

EK was a fine lynch and I'm (while not shocked) definitely wroth that he didn't flip because I KNEW not pushing this yesterday would lead to this.

[SpyreX]

Ohh yea,

Unvote, Vote: Plum

[SpyreX]

Why would questioning make everything okay? A miller is a miller, whether unlynchable doublevoting governor is in front of it or not.

God I've went through this already.

Assume you're some kind of multishot day cop/day vig whatever and also a miller. You decide to claim.

Someone ELSE then also claims miller. At that moment the idea that perhaps, in fact, there's some correlation to there being one or two massive power roles and milleritude. So, you ask what would appear to be a strange question: are you JUST a miller? Because, the answer to that if its no might be both giving some insight AND giving a reason to believe the claim.

And, of course, guess what else? Nothing. Not a scrap of useful from N1. Shocked and awed at that yessir.

And now, you're still not dropping the Jacknoia. You will believe that Jack and Fate were pulling a double-miller gambit. You will believe that scum-Jack counterclaimed town-Fate's miller claim in an instant, and decided to claim some super-PR role for who knows what reason. But it hasn't crossed your mind at ALL that Jack is just gambiting? Not buying it.

There's ONE gambit I'm 'expecting' and if thats the case I'm going to lose my mind.

But, even then, look at the Ruffing's 'gambit' D1. That is a (while not going to catch any but the silliest) a good attempt at a trap. The claiming miller (which hasn't been reducted btw) and the repeated concessions WHILE NOT JUST FESSING UP isn't a good gambit.

But, go for it.

And, regardless, frankly I'm done talking about Jack. Because if its not nipped in the bud this stupid shit is going to go on every day. Because, he's never going to die. Never. Be it BECAUSE HE IS SCUM (HINT) or because he's been left for patsy its not happening.

[SpyreX]

Spyrex: What do you think about the setup so far? This is Troll's game. There was some early setup speculation.. now we have seen some stuff... what say you?

Considering I think Jack is full of garbage (and, again, if what I think may happen happens I will be wroth) I think we're looking at a fairly standard setup.

Looking at the kill flavors neither disappeared or garroted strikes me as "good" nk flavor - under the assumation that Fate was the scum NK and Zang the 'other' NK I'd lean towards SK trying to neuter scum/raise a vig defense later.

IF its the other way I could see maaaybe chess being scum. As much bluster as he's getting (hint: the amount of bluster isn't an accident) I'm still seeing town there.

Mason flip, again, under the assumption that its masons and not neighbors makes me find a cop far less likely (which, again, makes Jack's business even more suspect).

My guess? 8:1:3. Lurkers are predominately holding the 4 coveted spots. OF all the lurkers the one I am most torn on is nacho, actually.

[SpyreX]

Dude I've been your proponent but seriously that needs to stop right now.

[SpyreX]

For me its STILL the numbers business. Just enough twitch that would make a scum perhaps want to slip up AND no real downside.

No matter how I junk it we're not f'd today unless its another night of two town deaths and THEN the SK gets to play "I'm a vig" to have any shot at winning (hint: they probably don't) in which case we may be able to finagle something.

So, while you replaced a bad, bad spot and Ruf over Plum still makes me paranoid hows about you swap that sweet ass vote over

[SpyreX]

And my absolute condolences Oj.

[SpyreX]

Sans the golden four of (Tajo / Oj / Plum / Nacho) (and I'm assuming you KNOW I think Jack is still scum yo)... no?

Lets say those five were all dead and by some miracle the game was still going (I.e. Camn / Chess / The Ruffing / SpyreX) as it sits RIGHT NOW I'd probably vote Chess by a small margin over camn.

[SpyreX]

Nacho clearly avoided posting completely during the entire wagon. Between his last post Day 1 and the lynch were nearly four days and unless I miscounted 22 posts from Nacho in various games. While the entire wagon ran. Meanwhile he'd said little enough about the game in his four posts. Deliberately avoiding a game for days while important wagons run around and avoiding commenting altogether reeks of scum and scum tactics so hard that in-thread avoidance and tiptoeing around the wagon (like Ojanen) paled in comparison. And sure I wasn't doing the best job playing I ever have Day 1, but you know, you dust yourself off and such, and the fact that I wasn't that integrated into the game or whatever Day 1 has no bearing on how scummy Nacho's play was. At all.

... Nacho had 22 posts in other games during that time?

OOOHHH man Nacho you best get talkin.

Additionally, the issue was is and will be "stuff on Oj" / nacho vote.

I don't like it, at all.

[SpyreX]

Nacho. Post. Here. Now. Explain.

[SpyreX]

And SK if you even want to TRY and pretend to be a vig Jack better be dead tonight.

(I mean we both know the truth but).

[SpyreX]

Jesus that QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED OVER AND OVER AGAIN ON WHY I THINK IT IS A SCUM MOTIVATED MANUVER

GET A NEW FUN FACT I SWEAR TO GOD

OR THIS

Unvote, Vote: Nacho

[SpyreX]

Chesskid you are gonna be sent to your room without supper.

Because at this point if either you or camn or scum its game over.

AND GOD NOW A VOTE FOR PLUM /EMO

-----

Sotty I want them both dead. The deal with Nacho I really don't like is this Jack-defense fixation INCLUDING MAKING ME REPEAT MYSELF OVER AND OVER WHICH MAKE HULK SMASH and the "Well I'm in 13 games so thus no words here perfect rite RITE" which is bunk.

----

Double preview?

That was a hammer? GOOD.

DOUBLE GOOD

[SpyreX]

Because at this point you're my heroes. And Ruff but he's got sidetracked into zombie land.

[SpyreX]

I've said over and over how I dont think the play makes sense (as TOWN) because its a stupid gambit (see Ruff).

AND THE DEFENSE HAS BEEN LOL META OVER AND OVER

If, ohh, chess had pulled that stunt D1 he'd be dead to doornails.

AND I LYNCH STUPID BECAUSE STUPID IS NOT A COVER FOR BACKTRACKING AND BEING SCUM

[SpyreX]

You've got to be kidding me. Yea you know me running around saying ohhhhhh meta says this is tech.

And I wish plum was playing like chess because then she wouldn't be scum funny how that works. Instead she's playing like....... you. Huh its a mystery.

Preview edit says yeeehaw.

If I'm sittin in the bushes waiting for that turkey and a deer jumps out I'm gonna shoot that deer. Then eat it while I'm waiting for the turkey.

Phoned now so ill yell more later

[SpyreX]

OHH YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME

GOD

PRO TIP IF IT ISNT A VIG HES NOT DYING

WHICH MEANS IF NO SCUM DIE THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE (HINT REAL GOOD) SCUM WIN TOMORROW

JESUS (AND HINT THIS COULD STILL BE SCUM MY GODDDDDD)

Ruffing just lost about a million town love there.

[SpyreX]

You know what?

You all win.

I mean, I want Jack to be scum but I KNOW deep in my heart he's masons with Fate.
and I want Nacho to be gambiting scum awesome WITH Jack but alas, he's just a damn survivor.

Hell, camn and chess are probably scum together with the way this game is going.

BUT, WELP, HERE YOU GO

Unvote, Vote: Plum

[SpyreX]

Seriously this game is through the looking glass and it makes me seethe with rage.

And just for the record, an SK isn't going to kill you if you're the survivor - he's GOT to go for scum.

[SpyreX]

Not a threat to the town?

Again, for all my talk about subtlety remember if there is three scum and none die tonight IF nacho is telling the truth tomorrow is game.

[SpyreX]

The survivor is kind of an inherent swing - whichever side is doing better has an ally.

OHHH and just an fyi MR VIG if thats what you are shooting nacho if its three scum and he's telling the truth loses the game as well.

Just FYI.

[SpyreX]

Keep in mind Plum, if Nacho is still telling the truth, is a good dance for lynchin' and then murdering a survivor isn't terrible.

Sotty is a much better shot than Camn. By magnitudes. Tajo is a good shot. Jack would be a high five shot.

[SpyreX]

No you guys went "Survivor? AWESOME HIGH FIVES ALL AROUND".

And considering if Plum is town a bad shot LOSES THE GAME you're damn right I'm not keeping quiet.

[SpyreX]

If its a vig they absolutely better not hold the shot.

If Plum is scum and they're not sure (OR THEY ARE CHESS AND THINK CAMN IS A GOOD IDEA GOD) they should be shooting you.
If Plum is town throw caution to the wind and take a shot at not nacho because otherwise game over.

[SpyreX]

Yes that if you are the hypothetical vig that is fine if Plum is town.

[SpyreX]

I saw that and like many things it made me lose my mind soo

[SpyreX]

Jesus please listen if Plum flips scum don't gamble for a loss. Kill the clear target and lets go from there.

I will be angry for all eternity if its "SCUM FLIP SCUM WIN USA"

[SpyreX]

Seriously whatever it takes you want to be King Lord of Awesome? IF PLUM IS SCUM KILL NACHO and you will be for the rest of the game.

[SpyreX]

Yep. Because one misstep and he's jumpin the other way and thats assuming its not a clever ruse

[SpyreX]

I swear to God if you kill Camn on a Plum flip words man, words.

Additionally if a Survivor who wasn't "playing the game" wins EITHER side I'm gonna be wroth.

[SpyreX]

(Dude you're playing it up TOO much come on now)

[SpyreX]

Even if you're right on a Plum scum flip I'd still be angry with that kill.

If Plum's town, go nuts because its dancing time anywho.

[SpyreX]

Well, yea.

[SpyreX]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

BOTH OF THEM

I AM LEGION

Rage says Jack, Cold hard hate logic says Nacho, common sense says Tajo.

Camn and Ruffing are town.

Theoretically we could massclaim today. Considering the "awesome PR" is still alive AND there's a mason floating around.

[SpyreX]

If you don't want the mason to claim (and jack is that AWESOME PR REMEMBER WHO HAS GIVEN/DONE NOTHING) then its either:

1.) NL
2.) Lynch Nacho.

[SpyreX]

See Ruffling unless you're playing coy you've narrowed the mason down enough that there's NO REASON to not massclaim right now and do this right.

[SpyreX]

I'm not appealing to you but the combination of me saying mason should claim AND YOU SAYING YOU KNOW WHO IT IS means that sheer numbers with Nacho's claim mean its a 1-3 shot.

Good lord man

[SpyreX]

And, again, if we mislynch today we leave the entirety of the game up to Nacho.

So, I'm really not getting the Ruffing business at all. Doubly so since worrying about a "confirmed" town at that point is an exercise in futility (scum's either going to claim it too OR ride the beast on Nacho's back).

[SpyreX]

It was pretty clear camn was anyways hence the no teapartying.

BUT, thats only part of it because we should be doing a fullclaim.

And then lynching tajo or Jack.

[SpyreX]

Or nolynch depending.

But, when Jack goes "OHH SNAP I AM NOTHING" I want him dead, dead dead.

[SpyreX]

Vanilla here.

My brain hemorrhaged when camn said claiming miller as vanilla for drawing an SK is a good idea.

[SpyreX]

I seriously a.) hope you're scum and you win so that shit never happens again, b.) wish you were the mason with fate because then my postulate that masons are distinguishable from scum is true.

I know thats not true.

There's a problem here though and we'll see how it pans out.

[SpyreX]

Remind me to do something after massclaim finishes.

[SpyreX]

@Mod: Can you prod, please?

Additionally, even though we know, cammycams can you say them magic words.

[SpyreX]

Soooo we've got an SK. Awesome.

With 6 alive and 3 hypothetical non-town factions and a bp (which could damn well be the SK) and a 'confirmed' town (I dont know if this is masons or masonsTM)...

I'm not sure what the right course is. I'll think about it but I'm going to be gone tomorrow so it may have to wait. I was REALLY expecting/hoping for the garrot to be a vig.

[SpyreX]

I'm leaning that way BUT that lynch would be failure all over, maybe.

Help me think it out.

[SpyreX]

Actually, with it all out:

Camn is conf town. Tajo is probably telling the truth. Kills happen at the same time. There's no mafia left. Nacho is SK.

2 Masons / BP / 6 VT / 1 M.JK / 1 Goon / SK

[SpyreX]

Hah, I didn't even notice that.

#2 could be an SK?

(I have no idea at all about this flavor and haven't been paying attention to it at all)

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: Nacho

No matter how I cut this, this is the right move.

Tomorrow would be some serious back and forth on tajo/jack IF there is a tomorrow.

[SpyreX]

God damnit.

Unvote

[SpyreX]

Hold ruffing - its target, PERIOD, or target for kill.

[SpyreX]

I would MUCH rather lynch tajo than jack at this point since tajo is likelier mafia over SK, though.

This is not the method a Survivor, even one 'winning with town' would go.

You can win with the mafia. You can't win with the SK.

Unvote, Vote: Nacho

I think the net is Nacho + Tajo if game continues.

Although that lie makes me wroth and if I could target I'd target Ruff and kill us both.

Ruf you've lost your mind if you think any of them can afford a mason left.

[SpyreX]

Woooo that's some bad semantics.

How does an SK win?

[SpyreX]

So the serial killer is a vig survivor.

Huh

Swing and a miss.

[SpyreX]

Far more likely than other versions yes.

If the game continues implies pretty heavily the lack of certainty.

However, no matter how you want to cut the dice, you're going to flip something that needs to go.

I think its going to be SK. It could be mafia. Hell, it could even be survivor. Doesn't matter.

[SpyreX]

With the components we have Jack I CHALLENGE YOUUU:

Setup with the pieces we have + SK + 3 Mafia + Survivor.

Its not happening.

So, two of the three possibilities Nacho is lying and needs to be lynched. In the later Nacho needs to be lynched and we go to dilemma.

It wont be the latter.

[SpyreX]

Ma shock. Ma awe.

RUFFING do the right thing.

[SpyreX]

It IS far more likely to me than SK + Survivor + 2 Mafia though.

[SpyreX]

Well the first SK role I got was like that, and there WAS a survivor in the game that I could win with.

And thats common?

Even from within your set?

Because, again, if we want to semantic like that we can go dance.

I'd rather not have it come to it.

[SpyreX]

There's nothing outlandish about it.

Definitely not enough to warrant "I, the survivor, want to lynch the mafia over the SK."

[SpyreX]

God in heaven I'm not sure why getting a survivor lynched when the numbers don't add up is so hard.

Lets try this again:

There were two deaths last night. Neither were claimed.

So, either the mafia is dead entirely and it was a 2/1/1 setup OR there is a mafia and a SK.

In the latter, Nacho would be lying about being a survivor and need be lynched.

In the former, Nacho can be lynched.

Further, the idea of "Lynch mafia, woo SK" as a survivor when the common SK win condition would not allow for a joint win bespeaks the most simple of facts: that the survivor part is not his win condition.

[SpyreX]

OR to put it even more simply:

In the "worst" case scenario lynching Nacho makes tomorrow not lylo.

[SpyreX]

AHA BUT ITS MYLO

FFF SHUT IT

[SpyreX]

Finally, the worst case scenario for lynching me if I'm telling the truth is LyLo. 2 scum still alive, and 1 town player still alive. And I'm sure you and tajo would make sure that the town wouldn't that dilemma. If scum is lynched today, though, it'll actually be MyLo, 4-1 with a DAMN good idea of who's the remaining scum.

THAT IS NOT A SCENARIO

JESUS

That would mean 3 scum, SK and Survivor.

That is not the case. I will eat all the hats and not be sad if we lose because of that because balance actually exists.

Further, in said scenario, we've already lost because you'll just hump whomever votes tomorrow.

And this new "Ohh my win conditions" blah blah NO.

Because, if that were the case in your mystical scum, sk, survivor its even MORE unbalanced under the guise that we could have been in lylo ohh...D2? (Mislynch, Scum kills SK, SK kills town).

[SpyreX]

HULK SMASH

Good god lets make this happen.

[SpyreX]

Mafia?

I was really hoping you were the SK because then my SEVERE PARANOIA regarding The Ruff that come about today could be laid to rest.

Jack, as teeth itching it is I think you're the town and we're gonna need some serious discourse tomorrow.

[SpyreX]

Camn as you are 95% dead tonight anything to share before the doom train a comes?

Specifically - am I crazy or did some key things today (bomb claim after vanilla) / (trying to keep Nacho alive when it was pretty freaking clear he was lying) make me REALLY paranoid about Ruff.

Also, considering the awesome activity in some OTHER SLOTS halp

[SpyreX]

That's where I'm leaning too but nacho being SCUM and not SK means it is a 3-1 and that throws everything into a small tizzy.

I was hoping against hope the game would end with his lynch.

[SpyreX]

I need a good solid eye pinching image.

NOW it doesn't make sense THE OTHER WAY damnit.

[SpyreX]

Seriously that puts it at:

2 masons
Bomb
Vig
2 Shot BP (Whaa)

in a mini.

[SpyreX]

Ok, ok, lets assume you're the vig.

What would you think about shooting Ruf tonight?

Because if you're telling the truth I don't think I believe HE can be telling the truth.

Maybe

DAMNIT

[SpyreX]

God I hope it just ends.

I dont even know anymore

[SpyreX]

Awesome.

I'm gonna think about this SOME but my instincts say tajo by a margin.

Although I can't shake the Ruffing paranoia.

If its you Jack you win. You're my leaning block.

[SpyreX]

Jesus its like battle of the hate.

There is, 100%, no way that both the bomb and BP are in this setup.

Jack is not getting lynched.

But that makes my teeth itch so bad because the OBVIOUS play for scumbolinas would be to vote for the other one because you knew where this was going.

But good lord would Ruf have killed god damn Sotty after she was all over him?

GOD JACK HELP

[SpyreX]

You still thinking Tajo?

Because I'm rereading and I'm starting to get itchy all over on Ruff.

I dont like it.

But the idea of Tajo-SK winning with this much lurking makes the spiteflag ride high.

[SpyreX]

I don't like it still.

Lets talk setup though with what we've seen because the more I think about it the more paranoid I get.

Town:
5 VT
2 Masons
1 ??? (2 Shot BP / Bomb)

Scum:
Rolecop
Jailier
Watcher

SK

So, for town to have a decent shot at winning we NEED either a.) crosskills or b.) some method to deal with the scum.

The bomb makes me twitchy because it sure as hell, if town, could have made the game broken (claim ohh, vig D1 draw the jail and the watcher for docs and maybe even an SK kill).

The BP seems a more "standard" approach to it by factoring out a kill and, ideally, providing a nice jump for town if the SK is lynched. Of course, its also a pretty solid SK claim.

So, then we look at the two of them.

Tajo has done a fat stack of nothing.

The Ruffing came out of the gate awesome. However, the Zang kill AND the Sotty kill make more sense there. Then, there's the crumbing bomb, claiming vanilla, THEN claiming bomb.
AND, of course, trying to keep the 'survivor' alive to win today.

FFFFF I dont want to be wrong and I feel like I'm talking myself INTO Ruffing.

[SpyreX]

But Ruff was all over not massclaiming which would have been real good for a SK at that point.

GOD

[SpyreX]

But then HE ASKS THE BP IF HE TRIED TO DRAW A NK AS A BOMB

GOD IN HEAVEN

[SpyreX]

AHHHH

Tajo kept going "I am not scum!" and not in the not-town but in the not-mafia way.

And then this:

i understand the dance between jack-tajo, but nacho is the play today.

Now it makes sense.

He's just trying to ride the wave. Not paying attention.

As SK.

Unvote, Vote: Tajo

[SpyreX]

You mean with you lying?

Seriously do you want me to lose my mind.

And considering I can script tonight for you it can just as easily be done now.

[SpyreX]

Waa waa

Swingy, sure.

You are right in the scenario of mislynch / sk kills town / scum kills SK it would be a scum win start of D2.

You'd almost think there would be something to stop that from happening.

Like a bulletproof SK.

(additionally I'd bet the SK wouldn't die if they killed you).

[SpyreX]

God damnit what is going to change from today to tomorrow

I die tonight. Its a chucklehead off at the battle of chuckleheads.

[SpyreX]

[SpyreX]

Damnit was it you?

WELP, don't feel bad.

[SpyreX]

And The Ruff sure was filled with madness if he's it in the last post.

So, HUZZAH

[SpyreX]

SORRY

I dont feel bad. Not one bit.

Tajo, if you're not going to play, don't sign up. GOD