Mini 1087 - The Dresden Files Game Over!

[Antihero]

Hello Mari and Fate!

[Antihero]

...and smargaret.

[Antihero]

Also I don't know anyone, but that's nothing new.

That's OK, because this playerlist is pretty kickass. I originally joined for Mari and Fate (not in creepystalkerish way), but I now see DP, Zdenek, LMP, and havingfitz.

[Antihero]

I acknowledged you, LMP.

Also I don't know anyone, but that's nothing new.

That's OK, because this playerlist is pretty kickass. I originally joined for Mari and Fate (not in creepystalkerish way), but I now see DP, Zdenek, LMP, and havingfitz.

[Antihero]

VOTE: Fate

Page 1 stuff seemed actish to me.

[Antihero]

VOTE: Fate

Page 1 stuff seemed actish to me.

^This was completely serious, just in case anyone cares.

He was convinced I was scum in LotR, and he was oh so wrong. So that's why. I was tempted to vote Fate to start the caps attack, but I kinda like my head where it is.

I was looking forward to being town together, Mari.

[Antihero]

@ Antihero: What's wrong with Fate?

VOTE: Fate

Page 1 stuff seemed actish to me.

Look at these:

Vote: Zdenek

Don't you clog up my thread with pointless /confirm posts! DO IT IN PM.

I WANT MY BEAUTIFUL TOWN SWEEP THIS GAME TO HAVE A THREAD WITH EQUAL BEAUTY TO MATCH.

I PLAY BY MY OWN RULES. I TOLD YOU ALL NOT TO CLUTTER MY THREAD NOW THERE WILL BE BLOOD

This looks like Fate's trying too hard here to fit into the old CAPSLOCK RAGE meta we've all come to love.

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@Antihero: Me too.

Oh, I wasn't referring to the "daykill" (I think that's faked, BTW). I was referring to the fact that you're scum.

Clarification is a great thing.

EDIT: The kill is obviously fake.

Starting to wish I had day-vidge'd Oopidstay instead of Mariyta... Sigh.

Get over yourself, he's the most townish looking person out of all of you.

EDIT:

VOTE: Fate for nothing more than a random vote. Honest. I mean it. No reason other than randomness.
WTF IS UP WITH THIS TIMIDITY?

What's the vote count mod?

[Antihero]

EBWOP:

VOTE: Fate for nothing more than a random vote. Honest. I mean it. No reason other than randomness.
What's the vote count mod?

WTF IS UP WITH THIS TIMIDITY?

[Antihero]

@Scumhero: The only way we wouldn't be town together is if you're scum... are you scum? And why do you always seem to think I'm scum? Hoping someday you'll be right?

Fate looks fine to me. Oopid does not. But you were right in NFL when I was totally wrong, so....

OH, NOW DON'T EVEN START THAT CRAP WITH ME.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MARIYTA

[Antihero]

It seems like everyone is voting/talking about Fate and then cowering like a dog about to be kicked.

EDIT: Yeah, *sigh*, on a reread my vote is wasted. I'll catch you as scum someday, Mari! *evil cackle*

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fate

[Antihero]

Ack! Reads are all topsy-turvy.

I need to go over this game again.

UNVOTE:

[Antihero]

Ugh, I've never been this disoriented in a mini game. Thanks a lot, DP.

Post 49 is scummy. Asking a bunch of questions, some of which have obvious answers, and not giving any opinions of your own = classic scum move.

Post 60 You know when I compared people voting Fate to a dog about to be kicked? Yeah, HF is one of those people.

Post 73 I'm not concerned about the complement to the mod; I'm concerned about the kissing up to Mari.

Post 77 I grew up in the South, and I'm not familar with this idiom. Not sure where you got it...

smargaret would be a good wagon. I'll start there.

VOTE: smargaret

[Antihero]

@Lion King hyena: what Mari said. The whole "random" thing to me came off as "OMG fate, don't hurt me!"

@Mari: My gut told me to.

[Antihero]

argh, people are agreeing with me.

I must be wrong.

[Antihero]

^I really hope that vote wasn't serious.

[Antihero]

[sidenote]If I haven't read the books, am I going to be able to follow the TV show? For anyone who cares, it's on youtube [/sidenote]

[Antihero]

Antihero always thinks I'm scum, so he'd be perfectly ok with my untimely death, though he'd mourn me respectably after my awesome townness was revealed.

Uh, no. I always think singersigner is scum. I always think you're scum in the beginning of games, but then I come to see you as townish (I have yet to be wrong ).
TBH, I too would have been pretty pissed if that daykill from DP was real, even if Mari is scum.

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You'll be able to follow the TV show, but you really should read the books because they are amazing and the TV show only really goes over the first book. It was also on Hulu a while ago.

Why shouldn't I put a serious vote on DP?

Well, it's not that I have so much a problem with the vote; I just question your sincerity.

So, David Parker fakes a daykill, decides that Mariyta is town, and then contributes nothing else?

OK, so right off the bat, are any of these scumtells?

I'm assuming that comment about actually daykilling Mariyta on the basis of gender was a joke. DP, I want answers to those questions so I can read you. If you won't answer questions when they're put to you, how are we supposed to tell whether you're town or scum?

I don't know, by reading the thread?
Why is DP the only person you're trying to get a read on?
What were those questions anyway?
Do you mind if I abbreviate your name to marge?

DP, is the daykill serious? If it is, why would you daykill someone on page 2? And why Mariyta? If it isn't, why post something like that?

No, N/A, already answered, this line of questioning leads to a dead end

Now, given the crappy piggybacking (looking at Fate), I'm pretty disenchanted with my vote.

UNVOTE:

Why do I get the feeling that everyone in this game knows someone else in the game except for me? And why do I get the feeling is going to be an extra big headache to follow because of that.

VOTE: Zdenek

Follow me; follow me to freedom.

A bit late for random votes, don't you think?

[Antihero]

OK, HF continues to miss the point; and I miss what points he's making that lead to me being scum... ?

I'm not "calling out" anyone voting Fate, I'm wondering why everyone is being so timid about it (and I took your "this is totally random" as trying too hard to make sure Fate didn't jump down your throat. But that's a moot point, as I now think fate is scum)

^Oh and there's this too. [REDACTED] and all that Antihero, lets hang this actor.

Completely not comparable. Would you like to try again?

Also, weren't you just calling Mari down for buddying?

Fate, my dear, you are wrong about me, yet again. And the "I like my head where it is" comment is because you have a tendency to go crazy when someone votes you... well, go crazier, anyway.

@smarg: I didn't get my favorite character, either. But he may not actually be in the game, so who knows. I got one of my top 5, though.

OK, Mari, it's moments like these that unsettles me. I get it, you think you're misunderstood; but I assure you, I'm paying attention, and I'll try my best to distinguish when you're acting like a fool and when you're scum.

Fair enough?

I never said it was random.

Help me understand your vote, then, please?

Preview Edit:

Hey Mari, can you please give me a link to a completed scum game? I need some reading material.

[Antihero]

VOTE: Fate

[Antihero]

Scumhero, darling, I'm totally misunderstood. It's my lot in life. *enacts sad puppy dog face*

Won't work on me.

That's because my heart turned black and shriveled up a while ago.

I forgot, who are you voting and why, Mari?

[Antihero]

Why is fitz scum? BTW, his last post was aweful.

[Antihero]

Because he came in on page 3, didn't even bother to read (half of the posts to that point had been confirms, so it's not like it's a hard read), then threw down a random vote, making sure we knew it was random. Then he laughs off the concerns about his random vote at that stage in the game. His last post was not great, but it was better than anything he'd given us to that point. His vote is suspect, because I don't see a decent case on Oop, but he did give reasons for it, even if they were weak.

Really? I thought it was a piece of crap, top to bottom.

#4 - Fate's "I WANT MY BEAUTIFUL TOWN TO SWEEP THIS GAME" comment pings my scumdar. Whenever people (short of a massclaim) just come out and insinuate or state they are town it makes me go Hmmmmm.

This is a dumb arguement, because aren't we all insinuating town?

#29 - Anti votes Fate for being "actish?" Ummmmm.....ok.

There's no scumtell here; he's just trying to sling mud for no damn reason.

DP early antics....I did not notice the double vote until my current readthrough...which he followe dup closely with his day-vig post. When I initially skimmed over his day-vig post I was initially humoured but not certain of it's validity. As neither was Mari. Guess there's a reason some people like to consider DP a good policy lynch candidate. At least he hasn't claimed cop yet (and NO....I'm not focking rolefishing and am not asking for anyone to claim, etc.).

Policy lynch? What?
DP's claim was obviously fake. Real day vigs don't act like that.

@Anti...is your vote on Mari in #64 serious? If so, why?

Because of the "scumhero" stuff and because of the "OMG, you all are so wrongz about meh"

#70 - Anti calls out everyone voting for Fate and then proceeds to vote Fate. ????????????

When did this happen?

#84 - Anti calls smarg scummy for asking questions with obv answers (I disagree) and not having any opinions (Only a few hours into the game? Aren't the questions a means of forming an opinion?) ...calls me out for voting Fate (which he subsequently does as well and was still doing until one post prior (#83)

Uh, no.
Reading is the means of forming an opinion.

smarg votes DP for ignoring her and is subsequently called out for it by Anti for being insincere (???).

WTF are you questioning? "Dodging questions" is the crappiest scumtell because most questions aren't worth two seconds of thought.

Aaarrrgh, this game is already starting to annoy me *starts popping the prozac*

[Antihero]

Hey DP. If you were actually a dayvig, how would you use your kill?

[Antihero]

You would wait a while before firing, right?

[Antihero]

Hey hyena and Mari,

what do you two think of fate?

[Antihero]

He does seem emotionally drained (and I'm sorry for whatever happened), but I'm not liking the lack of sincerity with the Mari push.

[Antihero]

Completely not comparable. Would you like to try again?

Also, weren't you just calling Mari down for buddying?

[Antihero]

Okay, I have a major lack of creativity. Enlighten me, please.

Red

Green herring

has been sighted. DDD is acting like an asshole to marge, but he's voting for scum, so I don't have a problem with him.

(Mod: ^This is dark red, but if that still violates your rules, please feel free to change it)

In case no one else has mentioned it yet, Fitz' unvote in his ISO 6 is a good example of appeasement.

Way to pile onto havingfitz without actually voting.

[Antihero]

@ Anti: What is your stance on Fate and Fitz?

Fate's push on Mari seems forced to me, that's why I think he's scum (plus the buddying hypocrisy).
As the object of crap flings, I would guess fitz is town.

Also, where's the Zed displeasure coming from all of a sudden?

His last post really pinged on the scumdar. Just look at it; it's exactly how I described it: piling onto havingfitz and fueling the suspicion without actually having to get onto the wagon. If Z were really sincere about this, I think he would follow this observation up with something that matters: a vote.

Also, look back at his ISO: a bunch of questions without follow ups (classic scum move) and an aweful vote on CA.

Thinking on, this is a much better place for my vote.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zdenek

[Antihero]

My questions to DP and Maryita were answered, and saw nothing particularly wrong with the responses. I have followed up with my question to CityofAs which he didn't answer.

OK, great, but the entirety of your content have been questions. Questions that somehow lead to a conclusion of CA being scum for the reason of...

I'm keeping my vote on CoA because I see no reason to remove it based on his play.

Whatever; I guess the only other thing worth commenting on is havingfitz's play (who's taking a considerable amount of heat... how convenient).

[Antihero]

As the object of crap flings, I would guess fitz is town.

The "object" of crap flings? Town? Please explain this, as I vehemently disagree with both of those stances.

"Fling" should have been singular, as I was referring to Zdenek alone.

My hypothesis of Zdenek scum taking a potshot at fitz, who looks like a viable wagon target, would suggest fitztown to me.

[Antihero]

So what do you think about fitz's actual posts, which multiple people consider scummy enough to vote on? How does one person appearing to take a potshot at fitz suddenly invalidate the other concerns other people have with fitz?

Well, I'm not "other people." You just FoSing because I disagree with you?

Fitz's initial passiveness is disconcerting, but I don't think fitz is as scummy as you or Mari seem to think.

FoS: Antihero, because this is really starting to smell like bullshit to me...

Don't let stupid emotions cloud your judgement. I know it's a little disappointing when someone doesn't agree with your scumreads, but really, you're not giving a good reason why this is faked.

What about you, hyena? Read Zdenek's ISO and see if you agree with my assessment of Z's play so far (won't take you long), please?

[Antihero]

So what is your opinion on Post #121, then? (Fitz's giant wall post.)

Meh, a bunch of noise and not very well supported opinions.
That could be a sign that fitz is acting like a fool, though.

So I shouldn't be concerned that you have a read on fitz that is diametrically opposed to mine, and runs counter to what I've seen other people express as well (hint: Mariyta is not the only person other than me who's shown displeasure with fitz)? From my point of view, you're naming my top suspect town, and haven't given a single good reason to convince me why.

First off, I never "named" fitz town. (see: the word "guess") Hence, my read isn't "diametrically opposed" to yours.
Second off, not sharing reads isn't a scumtell.

While he's had fewer sentences than fitz in this game, Zdenek has had better content,

by far

. Right now, in my mind, there's no way fitz is town over Zed.

Zed has better what? Content? Where?

[Antihero]

What the hell are you getting so bent out of shape about? Yeah, fitz's saying "OMG, look at this guy's reaction to obvfakedaykill, SCUMZ" is weaksauce, but his post suggests he's at least made an attempt (feeble as it may be) to read and find scum.

Z hasn't done anything but sprinkle some random questions in this thread while not really ruffling any feathers. How is

that

not scummy?

[Antihero]

Antihero, to characterize my questions as random, is a complete misrepresentation.

OK, then maybe we can see something productive from them?

Here we go:

First of all, LMP's self-vote. I've seen scum caught day one for essentially their self-vote and subsequent reaction to questioning. I'm still definitely worried about LMP because of this early move. I'm all the more concerned because when he made the self-vote, we'd already had the fake vig kill so we were well on the way out of RVS. The fact that he didn't have a plan to determine scum reactions from town reactions makes me think that he was just reaction fishing which was unnecessary at that point in the game.

What's reaction fishing? And what does that say about LMP's alignment?

I've also seen scum nearly caught day one (lynched day two) for ignoring a day kill. Which is what you did and I was surprised that Maryita didn't call you on it, and I wanted to know why. If it wasn't for the fact that I find your play otherwise townish, I'd be a lot more concerned by it.

What? I find this very hard to believe someone was "caught" for ignoring a fake daykill. Link if completed?

Have none of you played day vig before? Probably not. I got that role once and I consider myself extremely lucky to have gotten it. Absolutely nobody would waste a rare daykill shot like DP pretended to. It's not a scumtell to ignore the obviously fake daykill.

About DavidParker, after making a move like the fake vig kill, he's likely to be labelled as town by almost everyone, and I didn't want to just leave him alone after it.

How was anybody supposed to know this?

[Antihero]

I'm here intentionally lurking btw, surprised Antihero hasn't called me out on it

You explained it w/ an LA. >_>

What I mean is that he self-voted to try to get a reaction, but didn't have a plan to determine what constituted a scummy reaction from a town reaction, so really it was just an attempt to get the game started. As far as what it says about his alignment, I think self votes are safe because they avoid started arguments and are more likely to be done by scum than town in RVS (at least in my experience this is true) and it bothers me that made this move late in RVS (arguably after RVS) so I'd say it makes me lean scum on him.

Why am I having to interrogate you to get this? I don't remember it being this hard in Night watch.

[Antihero]

Just saw a couple things.

So WTF Mari....why the pass on Anti, LMP, Enigma, or Fate? Your reasons for suspecting me are extremely weak (based on ~2 posts?). I'm not even the first one to ignore the daykill. I'm 3rd on that list. While I don't have the familiarity of you that apparently you do of Anti I would hope after 4 years on this site your scumhunting skills would be more refined and take more into account than they appear to be in this instance.

Appeal to proficiency lulz.

It's nice to know that zdenek is fitz's scumbuddy. Fun times.

I like being sheeped.

But I'd like to get you out of the "probably town but something is nagging at me" territory you seem to perpetually inhabit.

Fate is still scum; that marge vote was pretty full of fail

[Antihero]

Don't waste votes, marge.

They kill the sea turtles.

Not true!

I updated, they now kill puppies.

[Antihero]

Votes can be wasted if they are placed on townish people.

Then they fall into a vast ocean of fail and strangle baby dolphins.

How can you live with yourself?

(BTW, happy birthday )

[Antihero]

So you agree thaqt smarg wastes her vote, but call my vote on her for the same crap.

Mhmmm

I guess you're just assuming I think wasting votes is a scumtell?

It's nice to know that zdenek is fitz's scumbuddy. Fun times.

I like being sheeped.

Terribly sorry. I shall never again form my own opinion of someone you also happen to suspect. Please forgive me.

I still like a fitz lynch better, because zdenek has been more active and a smidge less scummy.

Happy Birthday, smarg!! (Oh no! Sheeping Antihero again! Bad me.)

It's only sheeping if you leave your assertion unexplained (which you did).

[Antihero]

I'm quite slow and stupid, so I need things spelled out for me.

[Antihero]

Hey guys I'm back. Sorry about the V/LA I haven't been home lately.

Music festivals and work xmas party with free alcohol = a few very messsay days.
Catching up soonish.

Tomorrow at the very least. Hangover should be gone by then!

Hope you're OK, Enigma...

Tomorrow night. 36 hours.

Prepare yourselves for Rage.

Looking forward to it

I hope you don't expect me to argue with you on that point.

If you insist, I'll go back and tell you explicitly why I thought he was scummy. It probably won't be til tomorrow, though. While I have time to read new posts and keep caught up, I don't have time to do in depth ISOs at the moment.

Please don't do this. I won't read it anyway, I'd hate for you to waste time.

I just wanted the short and sweet version.

I'm beginning to dislike LMP.

[Antihero]

I refuse to read these stupid walls of text.

Think that's scummy? Lynch me.

I hope everyone is catching Z's intent to vote-park. Keep in mind that the only other reason for the vote was that stupid beginning self-vote by LMP. No mention of LMP's fail push on marge? Z's going after LMP for a bunch of crappy reasons. And LMP's response is pretty much "lol, no". I'm smelling diesel.

[Antihero]

AH, RTFT or GTFO.

Define my "fail push on marge". You sound nonsensical.

You quite cluttering the thread with walls or GTFO.

How do you like that?

Can you give me one good reason why marge is a good lynch today?

LMP - I've made what I think here clear.

So, pretty much, that initial self vote is what did it for you?

Glad to see you're pushing a lynch on a nice strong case.

[Antihero]

I'l; give hyena boy a pass because he hounded fitz for awhile.

And no mariyta I'm not. I think fitz is town though

Am I missing something here?

[Antihero]

So you think hyena "hounding" fitz, who you believe is town, is a towntell and a reason to remove your vote?

Who's living in the fantasy land?

[Antihero]

As for the rest of your catch up, it's pretty underwhelming. I see a scum label tacked onto CoA, for something I don't think is a scumtell. I see some monkey poo being flinged at hyena, not to mention the inexplicable 180 you did on him.

LMP's self vote was "useless and stupid". OK, fine. Now, what does that say about alignment. To me, not much.

As for the points on Z, I see you calling him down on holding back, but you have some super "secret" reads of your own...

EDIT: I call you scum.

Bring it on.

[Antihero]

So are you going to vote me and push for my lynch or something?

I've never done this before, be gentle.

Oh, please, don't start this.

I call out Z for having TWO reads, one V/LA and one him REFUSING to comment on. I have like 3-4 scumreads.

I'm assuming we'll all get to hear why CoA is scum someday.

[Antihero]

So are you going to vote me and push for my lynch or something?

I've never done this before, be gentle.

Oh, please, don't start this.

I call out Z for having TWO reads, one V/LA and one him REFUSING to comment on. I have like 3-4 scumreads.

I'm assuming we'll all get to hear why CoA is scum someday.

Yeah one of these days.

I mean you aren't voting me so why should I be pressured into giving out my reads?

Why did I even catch-up on this game?

*shrug*

Coast coast coasttttttttttttt

Yeah, OK. Continue acting like a child. Maybe it'll cause people to continue ignoring you... wait a second.

[Antihero]

Instead of insulting my maturity and intelligence, you could give me credit that I know what I'm doing OR I'm scum.

Already have. And I think it's pretty revealing that you think you need to be voted in order to talk.

But you're doing neither, so shut the fuck up.

I would request you do the same. But you've been doing a pretty good job of it so far, so I guess I have to give you credit for that.

[Antihero]

No, I'm not. I'm calling you scum, but I also think others are scum, and one of those others has my vote.

I'm not a double voter again, so you don't have a vote.

There, I walked you through it. Now, are you going to cooperate? Or are you going to brush me off and make poorly supported attacks on people like you have all game?

[Antihero]

Anyway I think it's time for a crap posting lurker wagon.
Unvote LMP
Vote Enigma

Die, scum, die.

@everyone

: In your next post, include either a) a Z vote or b) a really, really good reason for a non-Z lynch today.

[Antihero]

Whatever.

You're still more annoying than a hair on a shower wall.

[Antihero]

fitz, eh?

Let's have a look...

A lot of noise and crappy pushes, but not nearly as good of a lynch as Z.

Now, are you going to vote Z?

[Antihero]

Not so sure on it, that's why I'm not taking it.

I'm hoping people have the spine to stand up to you if you start acting scummy and not be so idiotic as to give you a throne. But maybe that's just wishful thinking.

[Antihero]

Seriously? I do not have time for this horseshit.

Cat's out of the bag, Z. Claim.

[Antihero]

Butters? Bulletproof? The flavor already doesn't fit.

Zdenek DOESN'T DIE TODAY.

I don't think I made myself clear enough.

What vig?

This clown's rolefishing though, and needs rope.

Oh, yes. Because your plan would require a hypothetical vig to claim tomorrow to clear Z. That's nothing close to rolefishing.

I think I'll take the advice you game me earlier.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fate

[Antihero]

Um, I watched some episodes of the first season of the TV show since I made that post, mr monkey poo flinger.

Butters is the coroner, right?

[Antihero]

FoS: Antihero

His Fate push looks artificial and contrived.

I've been doing it the whole game, monkey poo flinger #3. Say something substantial or STFU.

Fate's play in this game has been consisting of a bunch of crap attacks, not characteristic of Fatetown.

[Antihero]

Um, I watched some episodes of the first season of the TV show since I made that post, mr monkey poo flinger.

Butters is the coroner, right?

"He appears briefly in Changes, when he is called over by Molly Carpenter, and ends up trying to revive Harry Dresden with a defibrillator after his heart stops. A hitman then plants two rounds into his back. Butters survives because prior to coming over, he put on a bullet proof suit because of Harry's track record with trouble."

http://dresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/Waldo_Butters

Mr. I'm going to attack a claim for no good reason.

Screw you. W/ my limited knowledge the flavor didn't fit.

[Antihero]

I've been doing it the whole game, monkey poo flinger #3. Say something substantial or STFU.

Yeah, and it looked fake as hell then, too.

On a side note, you jumped off the wagon of someone whose claim you didn't believe at the time to go after someone who was/is nowhere close to getting lynched today. Hmm...

Your hair looks as purple as hell.

Just because I say it doesn't make it so. Back it up.

You're starting to piss me off with this chainsawing for no damn reason, hyena. I'm going to say what I said before. Say something substantial or STFU.

Excuse me, where did I say I didn't believe the claim? I said the flavor was off, and now that that's resolved, there's no reason to not believe the claim. Get your head out of your ass, please.

[Antihero]

Sorry, mod, I just had a "I hate the world" moment. I'm sure hyena is great person whose head is very far away from his ass.

[Antihero]

Alright, my blood pressure's gone down a bit since I was last here (bio tests are awesome!), so let's take a look.

Antihero, to what extent do you want to lynch Fate today or just make sure everyone keeps the possibility that he is scum in mind? Also, do you mind saying why you unvoted Mariyta in Post 70?

Since no one else seems to have the balls to stand up to fate, I guess I shouldn't count on a lynch, but that's not my fault.
I hope everyone keeps the possibility that he is scum in mind regardless of my vote.

Are you really asking about something that happened on the first couple pages? Alright, let's go back and see...
Oh, I just voted Mari because she called me "scumhero" and that annoyed me. I realized that wasn't a good reason for a vote and unvoted.

I'm usually on the same wavelength with Fate, but in this game so far, he's made what I believe are 2 completely weaksauce attacks (hyena and mari). Not characteristic of townFate.

I'll look at marge's ISO when I don't feel like I'm about to fall over asleep any second now.

[Antihero]

@Maryita: At this point in D1, with all the information available to us, the best vote you got is a lurker vote?

I think I know how exactly she's going to respond to this.

Personally, what concerns me more is the complete fencesit on marge.

Reading marge...
... meh, not impressed w/ the case on her. Overall towntells outweigh the scumtells fate recently pointed out.

Looking at Smarge/Zdenek I see two solid cases... In fact, this is rare, I actually think both are scum, and while I hate being a sheep in games and prefer to make my own aggressive stance I'm currently bogged down with multiple games and bulllllk alchoool so i think this may have to be a game where I am a sheep to some extent. I actually believe both are scum. I expected upon rereeading the thread to get a scum read from neither or one of them but I feel they are actually scum buddies.

lol? Seriously? Are you scum? Since that little daykill stunt, you've pretty much been in coast mode.
I guess I'll give you the alcohol benefit of the doubt, but I'd like a good justification for this.

[Antihero]

AntiHero - back peddling with going from not knowing the flavor to knowing it... Hmm. You'd think the flavor speculation would come from people who know the flavor, or antihero would have asked someone who does know it if it fits...

Already explained this, can't help it if you're not reading the thread.

Would you like to try again?

[Antihero]

DP

[Antihero]

DP and Enigma...you don't think anyone merits your votes atm?

Oh there are plenty of people who merit my vote.

But it's just a vote. Right now I'm happy to sit back and relax ya know.

Oh, yes. These people beside LMP and marge who are... undisclosed.

As town I often buddy up to people to try get them to come to my way of thinking or just because I think they are obv town and are leading the town in the right direction. As scum, I buddy people to make them less likely to go after me, logic being someone who is town is more likely to push a case on someone who isn't supporting them.

Oh, OK, I guess that's why you just put me in the ambiguous category for no damn good reason. You don't actually want to make a crappy case, so you choose to put me in the "maybe" pile, as others might show interest (hyena).

Yes, I'm fence-sitting on smarg right now. People use that as an attack all the time, and I don't get it. You can't always have a solid read on everyone all the time. Or maybe you can and I just suck at mafia. Regardless, she's meh to me right now. She seems to be playing similar to the last game we were in together when she flipped town (I hate meta arguments, but it's impossible not to use them sometimes).

First off, there is a subtle difference between an iffy read and fencesitting.
Second off, I'm not sure who told you that you suck at mafia, but you don't. I really don't want to hear you say that again.

I'm not sure how to read DP. He's a bit obnoxious, but I think he might really be a genius in disguise.

He sure did an awesome job with that disguise.

You had to have it REAPEATEDLY pointed out to you that your read was fail before GRUDGINGLY admitting that it was fail. DP came to these conclusions on his own, as he was catching back up with the game.

Uh, no. I actually called him out on it before his read *magically* changed.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DavidParker

[Antihero]

Everyone who is not voting 1 of smarg, fitz, Zd is absolutely doing it wrong. Maryita x2, as per the VC isn't voting at all.

@Fate, Oopid, Enigma, Maryita, DDD, AH: Alliance? I propose we all do a

HOS:

on one of fitz, smarg, Zd. Then, whichever one gets the most votes, we all agree to vote them. Are you in?

I'll start:

HOS: fitz

.

Alright, I'll play.

Aside from the claim (which could have been easily faked), I'm most confident of Z being scum.

HoS: Zdenek

[Antihero]

Oh yes. Because even if you are telling the truth about your ability, that means you're town.

[Antihero]

Oh yeah, because we never see godfathers or SKs w/ some kind of bulletproof perk.

His play is scummy. End of story.

[Antihero]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Antihero]

Oh, yeah, and Z: I read that game (now completed) where scum was caught for "ignoring a day-kill" and that completely was

not

the case.

[Antihero]

^awesome! Do I finally get to play with you as town?

You didn't do a catchup, that's a good sign.

Fate: He might actually have that ability. What bearing does that have on alignment?

[Antihero]

TheButtonmen: I'm sorry to have to do this, but I have to request replacement. The emotional energy I have left for mafia just went from 0 to negative.

Sorry.

Noted.